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   11-16-2008, 11:47 AM
dupes


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1,000 Roadwheels - 2009

1,000 Roadwheels – The Panzer IV and its Variants

Alright, as mentioned in the preparatory thread in the armor forum, this GB is all about the Panzer IV and all of the German designs based off of its chassis. The list is long – even longer than you might think. Current count has us over 25 different vehicles able to be represented, more if one wants to do a bit of scratchbuilding to model one of the many prototypes that were designed but never put into regular service. With that in mind, the GB should probably be called 800 Roadwheels (25x32), but with all the prototypes (and spare roadwheels!) I think we can agree on 1,000. Wink [;)]

 

GB rule-type stuff:

Running dates will be from January 1, 2009 until December 31, 2009.

Any/all aftermarket, scratchbuilding etc. etc. is fully allowed and encouraged.

Kits unstarted. No GB crossovers. Kit must be based on the Panzer IV chassis.

Badges: anyone who joins the GB is eligible for the first badge (Soldat). As you complete builds, remove your old badge and replace it with the appropriate rank. If anyone finishes more than 5 builds, I'll make another badge with Officer status. Thumbs Up [tup]

Soldat -

Gefreiter (one complete) -

Obergefreiter (two complete) -

Hauptgefreiter (three complete) -

Stabsgefreiter (four complete) -

Oberstabsgefreiter (five complete) -

 

So let’s try to list all of the vehicles that are eligible. Here’s what I’ve come up with so far – feel free to mention any that I’ve missed so that they can be added.

  • Panzer IV (Sd.Kfz.161) Ausf. A, B, C, D, E, F1, F2, G, H, J. In addition to these, you have the Panzerbefehlswagen and Panzerbeobachtungswagen modifications within the different Ausfuhrungs, as well as uparmored versions.
  • 10.5cm K18 auf Panzer-Selbstfarhlafette IVa, or “Dicker Max”
  • Sturmgeschutz IV
  • Jagdpanzer IV Ausf. F (Sd.Kfz.162), Panzer IV/70(V) (Sd.Kfz.162/1)
  • Sturmpanzer IV (Sd.Kfz.166)
  • 3.7cm Flak 43 Auf Sfl Pz.Kpfw.IV “Mobelwagen”
  • Flakpanzer IV, 2cm “Wirbelwind”
  • Flakpanzer IV, 3.7cm “Ostwind”
  • Leichter Flakpanzer IV 3cm “Kugelblitz”
  • 8.8cm Pak 43/1 auf Fahrgestell III/IV “Hornisse/Nashorn” (Sd.Kfz.164)
  • 15cm sFH 18/1 auf Fahrgestell III/IV “Hummel” (Sd.Kfz.165)
  • leFH18/1 Gw IV b (Sd.Kfz.165/1)
  • Leichte Feldhaubitze “Heuschreke 10”
  • Munitionstrager auf Fahrgestell III/IV

  • Panzekampfwagen IV 88mm
  • Panzerkampfwagen IV Bruckenleger

This list is NOT complete – there are a lot of different prototypes, one-offs, and individual modifications that happened to different vehicles that don’t warrant their own variant names or Ausfuhrungs, but are nonetheless a Panzer IV – based vehicle (think things like “vorpanzers” which were essentially a standard IV with some extra armor bolted on).


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   11-16-2008, 11:48 AM
dupes


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Re: 1,000 Roadwheels - 2009

Reference goodies (kits, books, URL's, etc)

Kit availability – there’s no way to list everything that’s ever been boxed that had a Panzer IV chassis underneath it, but I can come up with a good start, anyway (I’m positive there’s more CH stuff). Will organize by manufacturer. Only doing 1/35 scale…lot more stuff in 1/48 and 1/72 if you’re so inclined. Some of these are discontinued kits – but can be had on the cheap if you’re that type of shopper.

Academy:

1327 Pz.IV Ausf. H-4

1328 Pz.IV Ausf. H/J

1332 Stug IV

1333 Wirbelwind 

 

Cyber-Hobby:

6398 Pz.IV Ausf. F1 Vorpanzer

6437 Raketenwerfer Fahrgestell Pz.IV

6497 Sturmpanzer IV Early


DML/Dragon:

6043 Stug IV Late

6080 Pz. IV Ausf. J Late

6081 Sturmpanzer IV

6082 Jagdpanzer IV/70(A)

6107 Stug IV Final

6136 Flakpanzer IV Kugelblitz

6150 Hummel (Initial)

6165 Hornisse

6166 Nashorn

6204 Hummel (Early)

6264 Pz. IV Ausf. E

6265 Pz. IV Ausf. D

6291 Pz. IV Ausf. C

6301 Pz. IV Ausf. E Vorpanzer

6314 Nashorn Premium

6315 Pz. IV Ausf. F1

6330 Pz.IV Ausf. D

6334 Bruckenleger IVB

6357 Dicker Max

6360 Pz. IV Ausf. F2/G

6363 Pz. IV Ausf. G LAH Division

6402 Pz. IV Ausf. E Tauchpanzer

6439 Heuschreke Ivb

6460 Sturmpanzer IV Mid

6475 leFH18/1 Gw IV b

9021 Jagdpanzer IV L/48 Early

9043 Jagdpanzer IV L/70 Command

9044 Pz. IV Ausf. F1 DAK

9059 Jagdpanzer IV A-0

 

Italeri:

6217 Pz. IV Ausf. F1/F2/G


Tamiya:

35077 Sturmpanzer IV

35087 Stug IV

35088 Jagdpanzer IV/70

35096 Pz. IV Ausf. D

35181 Pz. IV Ausf. J

35209 Pz. IV Ausf. H

35233 Flakpanzer IV Wirbelwind

35237 Flakpanzer IV Mobelwagen


Tristar:

35015 Pz. IV Ausf. D

35017 Pz. IV Ausf. C

35021 Pz. IV Ausf. B

35023 Pz.IV Ausf. D Tauch

35038 Sturmpanzer IV Early

 

Trumpeter:

00348 Dicker Max

00362 Pz. IV Ausf. D/E Fahrgestell

00363 Pz. IV Ausf. F Fahrgestell

00373 Heuschreke IVb

00374 leFH18/1 Gw IVb

 

Books - there's a ton out there. Currently, I'm using the Spielberger Panzer IV and its Variants tome, as well as the Squadron (Hjermstad) Panzer IV Medium Tank as my primary refs. Any suggestions?


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   11-16-2008, 11:48 AM
dupes


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Re: 1,000 Roadwheels - 2009

The Roster:

Dupes - 1/35 Tristar Pz. IV Ausf. B
            1/72 DML Jagdpanzer IV L/70

BigSmitty - 1/35 Tamiya Wirbelwind

Glamdring - 1/35 DML Brummbar Late
              - 1/72 Hasegawa Jagdpanzer IV L48

Bish - 1/35 DML Kugelblitz (sweet!)
         1/35 Italeri Ostwind

Bufflehead - 1/35 Tristar Pz. IV Ausf. D
               - 1/35 Coree Pz. IV Ausf. A (uber-sweet!)

WarHammer25 - 1/35 DML Pz. IV Ausf. D w/7.5cm
                    - 1/35 DML Dicker Max

Pordoi -  1/35 Trumpeter Bruckenleger
             1/35 DML Pz. IV Ausf. F1

Wing_nut - 1/35 Tamiya Pz. IV Ausf. H
                1/72 DML Pz. IV Ausf. ?

Hans Von Hammer - 1/35 Academy Wirbelwind

BBrowniii - 1/35 DML Nashorn Premium

SMJModeler - 1/35 Tamiya Jagdpanzer IV L/70 Lang

Azgaron - 1/35 Tamiya Pz.IV Ausf. H
            - 1/35 DML Hummel

stick man - 1/35 DML Pz.IV Ausf. G LAH Division
                1/35 Tamiya Pz. IV Ausf. D
                1/35 Tristar Pz. IV Ausf. C

Tigerman - 1/35 Tamiya Pz.IV Ausf. J 

Thunderbolt379 - 1/35 Italeri Jagdpanzer IV L/70 

Panzer88 - 1/35 ??? Pz.IV w/Schmallturm
               1/35 DML JagdPanzer IV/70(A)
               1/35 DML Pz. IV Ausf. J

Detailfreak - 1/35 DML Pz.IV Ausf. F2(G)
                  1/35 DML Brummbar Mid
                  1/35 DML Nashorn
                  1/35 DML Pz.IV Ausf. E

JMart - 1/35 Tamiya Pz.IV Ausf. D

NucMedTech - 1/35 DML Pz.IV Ausf. E 

SomeAssemblyRequired - 1/35 Tamiya Pz.IV Ausf. J

Firesmacker - 1/35 DML Pz.IV Ausf. J Late

Squeakie - 1/35 Tamiya StuG IV 

Taxtp - 1/48 Tamiya Pz. IV Ausf. J 

mmc - 1/72 Revell Nashorn
          1/35 Tamiya Jagdpanzer IV

Jester75 - 1/35 DML StuG IV Late

Mobious - 1/35 DML Sturmpanzer IV Late
              1/35 DML Jagdpanzer IV L/48 Early

Geist - 1/35 DML Jagdpanzer IV A-0

Bushi - 1/35 DML Pz.IV Ausf. F1 DAK
          1/35 Tamiya Pz. IV Ausf. D

Castelnuovo - 1/35 Tamiya Wirbelwind
                    1/35 Tamiya Pz.IV Ausf. D

Tacobuff - 1/35 Tamiya Pz. IV Ausf. H

DBaumi60 - 1/72 Revell Hummel 

TD4438 - 1/35 DML Kugelblitz (sweet!)

Mg.Mikael - 1/35 Cyber Hobby Raketenwerfer Auf Fahragstell


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   11-16-2008, 12:29 PM
BigSmitty


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Re: 1,000 Roadwheels - 2009

Dupes,

This sounds like a great time so count me in.  I'll build the Tamiya 1/35 Flakpanzer Wirbelwind.  I've got my eye on a CH Vorpanzer... it calls to me, so we'll see about that one later.


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   11-16-2008, 1:06 PM
Glamdring


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Re: 1,000 Roadwheels - 2009

I'm in!  DML Dicker Max is on the way right now, though I still hope to get a DML Brummbar sometime by Christmas.

So I'll be going with either of those subjects.


Robert

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   11-16-2008, 1:18 PM
Bish


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Re: 1,000 Roadwheels - 2009

dupes your a very nasty man. I have promised myself that after my 251 is finished i will spend the rest of next year building aircraft to get my stash down as its twice as big as my armour one. And i decided that i would be very strict with myself and not be tempted to do anything with tracks.

And now you come along and do this. Angry [:(!]

I have an Ausf J and 4 AA versions of the Pz IV. I will most likely enter one of the later. I will finish my 251 and the two aircraft GB's i am commited to first then get back to you.

I hate you Big Smile [:D]

 



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   11-16-2008, 3:01 PM
bufflehead


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Re: 1,000 Roadwheels - 2009

Hey dupes, I see you've finally got the Pz IV GB going!!Thumbs Up [tup]  I've only got 10 minutes today to spend in the forums, but as soon as I saw this thread I had to respond!  I know my GB participation is suspect these days Disapprove [V] but I promise to get involved in this one as much as I possibly can! (BTW, I haven't forgotten the 251 halftrack GB!) I've got 7 variants of this tank in my stash, but the Tristar Pz IV Ausf. D kit keeps jumping out at me.  Can you please put me down for that one?  It will be my first Tristar kit and I'm eager to work on it. Smile [:)]


Ernest

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   11-16-2008, 4:46 PM
WarHammer25


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Re: 1,000 Roadwheels - 2009

Dupes,

I see that the Trumpeter Sturer Emil is in your list. I always thought it was a development of Henschel VK3001 Tiger prototype, not a Panzer IV variant. I guess I am a little confused. If it is really allowed, I might pick one up, either the 1/35 or 1/72 and build it for this. I always thought it was cool.

I also have a 1/72 Dragon Jagdpanzer L/70 that is currently in my poll for the IMS3 GB, but if it does not get chosen, I could build that. I will let you know what I decide.


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   11-16-2008, 9:05 PM
pordoi


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Re: 1,000 Roadwheels - 2009

Dupes,

 

Count me in for the Trumpeter Bruckenleger.   Never built Trumpeter armor, so this will be interesting.

 Don

 


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   11-17-2008, 6:58 AM
dupes


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Re: 1,000 Roadwheels - 2009
 WarHammer25 wrote:

Dupes,

I see that the Trumpeter Sturer Emil is in your list. I always thought it was a development of Henschel VK3001 Tiger prototype, not a Panzer IV variant. I guess I am a little confused.

Funny you mention that, I've had it on my hand-written list with "???" written after it, indicating I needed to do a bit of further research. You are correct, it is indeed NOT a Pz.IV variant, and will be removed shortly! Thumbs Up [tup]

All of you guys should consider yourselves added to the list...even you, Ernest. Wink [;)]

Any suggestions as to how long you'd like to see this run (considering all of '09, even though I dislike GB durations that long) or what you'd like to see for a badge (I'm thinking some sort of escalating badge system based on how many you can complete?) would be highly appreciated! Big Smile [:D]

Sorry you hate me Bish. Laugh [(-D]


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   11-17-2008, 8:10 AM
wing_nut


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Re: 1,000 Roadwheels - 2009

Most asuredly

IN


Marc

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   11-17-2008, 8:18 AM
Hans von Hammer


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Re: 1,000 Roadwheels - 2009
Diorama starring Academy Flakpanzer "Wirbelwind"....


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   11-17-2008, 12:47 PM
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Re: 1,000 Roadwheels - 2009

Dupes,

I, too, hate you....Evil [}:)]

Umm, I think I am in, but let me get back to you.  I REALLY had intended to take a GB hiatus this year... hmmmm... might have to rethink that....  I do have a few IV variants on the shelf....  you BAST*&D!! Big Smile [:D]

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   11-17-2008, 12:55 PM
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Re: 1,000 Roadwheels - 2009

dupes: (using my best Pakistanii accent from Babbu in Seinfeld) "You are a bad man dupes...a VERY bad man!"...Laugh [(-D]  A quick read of the thread makes me think that we all view this as a required GB!  How can you call yourself an armor modeler and not join a PANZER IV GB!!!!....duhhhhhDunce [D)]

I'M IN!!! ... Put me down for a Tamiya Jagdpanzer IV L/70 Lang


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   11-17-2008, 1:32 PM
Bish


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Re: 1,000 Roadwheels - 2009

dupes

No your not, you did this on purpose. I could have resisted anything, even another big cat build. But I never even dreamed anyone would do this. As SMJ said, how can any real armour modeler, especially those that mainly do German, not take part in a Pz IV build.

I will probably go for the Dragon 1/35 Kugelblitz as thats been on the shelf for years and i am dieing for an excuse. But i will 100% confirm once i have caught up.

I would say 9 months is good, till the end of sept. But, if you do decide on the escalating badge, maybe a year would be better.

O no, that means i will have to spend a whole year building Panzer IV's. If my wingy stash doesn't come down, i want to make it clear that it's your fault, ok.

As for the badge, i think it should have a Pz IV in it Big Smile [:D]



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   11-17-2008, 1:32 PM
Azgaron


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Re: 1,000 Roadwheels - 2009

Hi,

Looks like I got at least two kits that fits the bill. Both Tamiya, one StuG IV and one PzKw IV, and at least one them I like to join in this GB. I got to figure which kits to join in the IMS3 GB too!

Cheers,

Azgaron

 


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   11-17-2008, 2:25 PM
bufflehead


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Re: 1,000 Roadwheels - 2009
 dupes wrote:

All of you guys should consider yourselves added to the list...even you, Ernest. Wink [;)]

Yippee!!! Party [party] 

Maybe I'll do two!! Shock [:O]

 


Ernest

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   11-17-2008, 3:46 PM
dupes


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Re: 1,000 Roadwheels - 2009

I'm very glad that you guys are all fired up! I was originally planning on doing this later in '09 when some of the other GB's wrapped up, but the interest is there right now, and it looked like someone else might whip out a Pz.IV GB on me. Been thinking about this one for a while, so the time is NOW!

I would love it if this were a "required GB"! I don't know how you could build armor and not want to participate in a big way. Wink [;)]

Ernest - TWO? I'd settle for you finishing just oneLaugh [(-D]

Bish - don't hate me too much, brother. Sad [:(]


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   11-17-2008, 4:09 PM
WarHammer25


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Re: 1,000 Roadwheels - 2009
 dupes wrote:
 WarHammer25 wrote:

Dupes,

I see that the Trumpeter Sturer Emil is in your list. I always thought it was a development of Henschel VK3001 Tiger prototype, not a Panzer IV variant. I guess I am a little confused.

Funny you mention that, I've had it on my hand-written list with "???" written after it, indicating I needed to do a bit of further research. You are correct, it is indeed NOT a Pz.IV variant, and will be removed shortly! Thumbs Up [tup]

I thought that the Sturer Emil didn't belong in this but just wanted to make sure.

This pretty much is a required GB if you build any armor. Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Dupes, I have a Taimya 1/48 Panzer IV Ausf J that is semi-started but I would like to tear it down and do some mods to it like zim and some other stuff. Would this be allowed or not. It is never really made clear if the kit must be unstarted or not. I would really like to do a Dicker Max and a Hummel if I am able to as well. My budget and available time might not allow it though. 

Just a quick question to all; was there ever a Flammpanzer IV? My references only so a III, Hetzer, and a Char B1 and I think it would be cool to make a Flammpanzer IV.


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   11-17-2008, 6:39 PM
stick man


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Re: 1,000 Roadwheels - 2009

I'm so in!!

DML. Panzer 4 ausf G LAH division.

Smile [:)]


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