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11-06-2009, 6:58 AM
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Hinksy

Joined on 09-06-2009
Rugby, England
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Tamiya 1/48 Flakpanzer Wirbelwind; Completed 15.11.09
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Good day gentlemen, I have the Flakpanzer up and running. Yesterday I got the running gear and road wheels mounted and the die cast base painted along with the rubber on the road wheels. I followed Phil_h's advise and made a 1:1 mix of Tamiya dark yellow and deck tan to use as the base coat as the dark yellow alone is very dark and has a green tinge to it-nice one Phil! On the photo that shows the muffler the running wheel on the RHS looks wonky-don't worry, it's not glued on yet, I just put it them for the photo. It's strange going back to a 1/48 build after doing my monster Pershing! The Panzer base should be simple enough but the actual Flak gun mounting looks like a nightmare to build and four 1/48 Tamiya figures will test my skills! The road wheels need another lick of paint I know (I decided to change from flat black as Tamiya recommended as it looked very shiny to a dark grey for the road wheels halfway through painting them) and I've just noticed that the muffler isn't lined up 100% but that can be sorted-I'm looking forward to getting stuck into this one! It's amazing what mistakes you notice AFTER you've taken the pictures! ATVB Ben
On the bench.......Tamiya 1/35 Marder III 7.62cm Pak36(r)
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11-06-2009, 7:47 AM
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Phil_H
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Re: Tamiya 1/48 Flakpanzer Wirbelwind W.I.P.
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Looking good so far Ben, I'm glad you like the variation on the Dark Yellow. Some people lighten it with white, but I find it a bit stark and it retains the greenidh cast. You know, there are some long-experienced modellers who have problems with Tamiya paint and swear off it and never touch it again. It looks like you've got a feel for it first time up. ![Big Smile [:D]](/emoticons/icon_smile_big.gif) ![Thumbs Up [tup]](/emoticons/icon_smile_thumbsup.gif) The seam on the muffler shouldn't be too hard to clean up. While on the subject of the muffler, at the moment you've got it painted Dark Yellow. While it may have been painted at the factory, this usually burnt off rather quickly after being driven a short distance and the muffler took on a rusty appearance. Another thing to watch, when you get to that point, is the direction of the tracks. Every now and then we see a Pz.IV based kit posted up and with one track reversed.
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11-06-2009, 8:07 AM
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rjkplasticmod

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Re: Tamiya 1/48 Flakpanzer Wirbelwind W.I.P.
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Looks like a good start. I have the kit in my stash, but every time I pull it out I look at those 32 road wheels & put it right back on the shelf. Will follow your build with interest & hope to overcome my road wheel phobia. Regards, Rick
RICK    At My Age, I've Seen It All, Done It All, But I Don't Remember It All...
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11-06-2009, 5:28 PM
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Hinksy

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Re: Tamiya 1/48 Flakpanzer Wirbelwind W.I.P.
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Cheers guys, I'm starting to realise why people don't like these die-cast hulls now! They may give the model a little 'weight' but they don't take paint very well and normal cement doesn't seem to take to them great either! The road wheels were a pain, especially after painting them and deciding I didn't like the colour and doing the whole lot again! Phil-Thanks for the paint tip, it's a definate improvement! I've some good colour pictures this time and I've seen how badly the muffler rusts up too-I'll get that sorted at the weathering stage. I think I'll try and drill out the tube too. As I said before the base looks pretty simple-it's the actual quad gun turret that looks a tad tricky! I'll have the weekend to get stuck into this one tomorrow so hopefully I'll have some better WIP photos tomorrow. ATVB Ben ![Smile [:)]](/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)
On the bench.......Tamiya 1/35 Marder III 7.62cm Pak36(r)
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11-06-2009, 5:40 PM
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Phil_H
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Re: Tamiya 1/48 Flakpanzer Wirbelwind W.I.P.
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Hi Ben, Yes, normal model cement doesn't work well to attach parts to the cast hull tub. For this, you need a CA (Cyanoacrylate - aka "superglue") or a 5-minute epoxy type glue. The other good thing about using Tamiya acrylic is that if you don't like the colour or there's some other sort of disaster, you can just dunk the parts in methylated spirits and it'll come right off, leaving the parts as good as new without any risk of melting them. ![Big Smile [:D]](/emoticons/icon_smile_big.gif)
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11-07-2009, 6:32 AM
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Hinksy

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Re: Tamiya 1/48 Flakpanzer Wirbelwind W.I.P.
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Hi Phil, I ended up using a tiny 'dab' of CA applied from the end of a matchstick to adhere parts to the die-cast ALTHOUGH Tamiya do say normal cement will be fine! Yeah righto! I'm getting these tracks on in a mo so ther'll be some WIP photos later. ATVB Ben ![Smile [:)]](/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)
On the bench.......Tamiya 1/35 Marder III 7.62cm Pak36(r)
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11-07-2009, 1:39 PM
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Hinksy

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Re: Tamiya 1/48 Flakpanzer Wirbelwind W.I.P.
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Good evening lads, The Flakpanzer is coming on very well-I've made excellent progress today. I like to paint these L&L tracks on the sprues so these were ready to fit when I started today. Still fiddly as hell and they never quite line up 100% so there always seems to be one short link that has to be slightly out, I'm sure the more I do the better I'll get but I think this will be one of the last 1/48 pieces I build-1/35 is far better imo, value for money alone warrants the use of 1/35. All the tools and add-ons were also painted on sprue yesterday so today was basically getting the tracks fitted, getting the upper hull screwed into place and painted and getting the spare wheels and tools fixed on. This is the easy stuff-the quad gun turret looks like a real challenge and should be interesting, as will be trying to paint 1/48 figures (something that I've never done). All in all a good kit, it's been a quick build up to this point as the kit has really just built itself. As I say the real challenge will be the gun turret and figures. Thanks for looking lads; more to come tomorrow................ ATVB Ben ![Smile [:)]](/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)
On the bench.......Tamiya 1/35 Marder III 7.62cm Pak36(r)
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11-07-2009, 3:49 PM
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Pvt Mutt

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Re: Tamiya 1/48 Flakpanzer Wirbelwind W.I.P.
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Hey Ben get yourself some Flat Nato Black. It's great for the rubber look.![Thumbs Up [tup]](/emoticons/icon_smile_thumbsup.gif) Tony the Mutt
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11-07-2009, 4:10 PM
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Hinksy

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Re: Tamiya 1/48 Flakpanzer Wirbelwind W.I.P.
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Cheers guys, Tony; Re the rubber on the road tyres I'm not happy with it at presentit's too light. When I was painting with Humbrol enamels instead of using a matt black for rubber I'd use a very dark grey and it would look perfect. The Tamiya acrylic dark grey is too light imo so tomorrow I'll try the XF-1 Tamiya flat black I picked up today and see how that looks. I'm loving painting with the Tamiya acrylics-although I'm brush painting all my builds at present I've encountered no problems on this build with the Tamiya stuff. It dries so quickly I love it. When I was using my Humbrol enamels I'd have to do a piece then leave it overnight (at least) before I could carry on. I've got the four flak guns & all the magazines painted with a coat of black Humbrol metalcoate so tomorrow I'll should have the turret assembled, painted with the base coat and mounted in place. Then it's onto the figures, the cammo scheme and the weathering. It's been a quick build-too quick really. I'm not rushing it at-all, it's just been a very easy kit to build! The cammo scheme should slow the build up a bit as it will be my first and the figures definately will! After this one I'll be sticking with 1/35 methinks! Far better value for money and the scope for adding accurate detail and weathering is far greater on the 1/35 stuff. My 1/35 Pershing really is in a different leaque to my previous 1/48 pieces. ATVB Ben
On the bench.......Tamiya 1/35 Marder III 7.62cm Pak36(r)
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11-07-2009, 4:13 PM
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*INDY

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Re: Tamiya 1/48 Flakpanzer Wirbelwind W.I.P.
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~Looking like a solid build coming along there Ben. The 1;48 scale is a little small (for me) but when done right, they fill the bill. Going back up to the top of the page "Amazing what you notice after you post the pictures! " YES, I have to relate to that. things I miss on the bench, in the camera, in the photo-editor, during upload......scream HELLO ! the minute I have them in a post!! You are not alone ![Headphones [{(-_-)}]](/emoticons/icon_smile_headphones.gif) Model Forth ! Indy
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11-07-2009, 4:29 PM
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Phil_H
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Re: Tamiya 1/48 Flakpanzer Wirbelwind W.I.P.
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Hey Ben, She's coming along pretty quickly. I concur with Tony, Tamiya NATO Black is great for the roadwheel tyres. Tamiya Dark Grey (or German grey) is also suitable, as in real-life, the rubber faded quite noticeably. Remember that weathering will darken it down a bit. It appears your upper hull may not be quite all the way down - there's a noticeable lip in the (last) head-on pic, and if I recall correctly, the front upper hull panel should be flush with the top of the lower hull. Also, it's worth taking your time and paying a little more attention to cleaning up the parts. I can see a few sprue nubs which could use a bit of attention (lower edge of spare wheel holder, left sprocket wheel, at the 3 o'clock position, right side fender) Before you move away from the 1/48th kits, take a look at the Hobby Boss T-34 series. These have full interiors (including engine) and are absolutely packed - somewhere in the region of 400 parts. I'm not sure how they're priced over there, but here in Australia they're less than half the price of the Tamiya 1/48th range - I picked up a couple at $16.00 (AUD) each.
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11-08-2009, 8:21 AM
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rjkplasticmod

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Re: Tamiya 1/48 Flakpanzer Wirbelwind W.I.P.
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Good progress Ben. Keep us posted. Regards, Rick
RICK    At My Age, I've Seen It All, Done It All, But I Don't Remember It All...
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11-08-2009, 8:57 AM
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Hinksy

Joined on 09-06-2009
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Re: Tamiya 1/48 Flakpanzer Wirbelwind W.I.P.
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Phil_H wrote: | | Hey Ben, She's coming along pretty quickly. I concur with Tony, Tamiya NATO Black is great for the roadwheel tyres. Tamiya Dark Grey (or German grey) is also suitable, as in real-life, the rubber faded quite noticeably. Remember that weathering will darken it down a bit. It appears your upper hull may not be quite all the way down - there's a noticeable lip in the (last) head-on pic, and if I recall correctly, the front upper hull panel should be flush with the top of the lower hull. Also, it's worth taking your time and paying a little more attention to cleaning up the parts. I can see a few sprue nubs which could use a bit of attention (lower edge of spare wheel holder, left sprocket wheel, at the 3 o'clock position, right side fender) Before you move away from the 1/48th kits, take a look at the Hobby Boss T-34 series. These have full interiors (including engine) and are absolutely packed - somewhere in the region of 400 parts. I'm not sure how they're priced over there, but here in Australia they're less than half the price of the Tamiya 1/48th range - I picked up a couple at $16.00 (AUD) each. |
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Cheers Phil, You are right about the top hull section not sitting flush matey. it is held down using 2 x 2mm screws. I hadn't fixed the screw head covers in place so I removed the screws and spent ages trying to get it flush which I just couldn't do! I might have to do some putty work or something to flush it up maybe? It's definately a fault with the kit. Another point-when building this kit or a normal Panzer in 1/48 with the L&L tracks DO NOT glue in place the large wheel at the rear. I did and as a result one short section of track is on the pi55 quite badly because the wheel centre wasn't lined up with the other wheels 100%! Next time I'll get the tracks all lined up properly and fix the wheel then. I can live with it as it's out the way, it's one of them live and learn modelling things I suppose. I'm going to build this turret now-photos later! ATVB Ben ![Smile [:)]](/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)
On the bench.......Tamiya 1/35 Marder III 7.62cm Pak36(r)
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11-08-2009, 8:57 AM
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the doog

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Re: Tamiya 1/48 Flakpanzer Wirbelwind W.I.P.
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Looking good, Ben. I didn't realize that the hulls of these were metal? Bummer. I hate when they mix the media like that. Looks good so far, but I would echo what others said about watching your seams and nubs. Clean EVERY part with an emery board or exacto blade after clipping it off the sprue. Nothing looks more amateur than seams and nubs. Glad to hear you've "converted" to Tamiya acrylics. Hands down, the best choice for armor modeling, in my opnion!
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11-08-2009, 9:05 AM
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scratchmod

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Re: Tamiya 1/48 Flakpanzer Wirbelwind W.I.P.
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Coming along nicely Ben. The metal hull is something I don't care for but your doing a good job with this Pz IV. Rob
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11-08-2009, 5:06 PM
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Hinksy

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Re: Tamiya 1/48 Flakpanzer Wirbelwind W.I.P.
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Cheers for the comments lads, I've made really good progress today. I started on her at 14:00 and got to the point where I wanted to get to at 21:30. She's really come along fast, I think it's a combination of using acrylic paints which don't need to be left overnight (at least) to dry properly like my enamels do and the fact I've had two days holiday during the week and a quiet weekend too so I could model to my hearts content. A few **** ups though; I realised that I'd neglected to fit two VITAL parts under the upper hull at the rear, they are visable from the sides under the protruding side cases (louvre type things, one each side) and have to be clicked into place on the underside of the upper hull! By that time the covers that hide the two screws clamping top & bottom together had been fixed in place so it was out with the scalpel to cut them out to get the upper hull unscrewed-worked out ok though. I also found that the reason the front wasn't flush was due to the front plate with the brackets on that affixes to the front lower hull was too low down and needed refixing which I did and it it all lines up nicely now. Finally my old man decided he'd pick the model up to admire her not realising the paint was still tacky (arghhh!) so I have a nice couple of finger print on what was a nice brush paint job to sort now! A few more bit's and bobs to go on then to have a crack at this cammo scheme which should be fun with brushes. She'll weather nicely-lots of nice colours to play with but I'm undecided wether to use the figures yet. I had a crack at painting a part of one of them and christ it's hard painting small figures in 1/48; 1/35 is bad enough! I don't want to ruin a nice looking model with crappy looking figures. I'll have a proper go at them when the model is finished & I'll decide then if they will go with it or not. If not it's more spares for the tub! There's a lot of unused parts with this kit including an MG42 which may come in handy in the future............ Sorry about the photo quality-I had to use my phone to take these........ Let me know what you think guys. I won't get a chance to do any more with her until next weekend now but I'm looking forward to painting my first cammo scheme! ATVB Ben
On the bench.......Tamiya 1/35 Marder III 7.62cm Pak36(r)
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11-08-2009, 5:14 PM
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Re: Tamiya 1/48 Flakpanzer Wirbelwind W.I.P.
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not bad, your builds get better and better, on thing i noticed was the tracks seem too silver and grayish, get some rust on there man! Brian
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11-08-2009, 5:29 PM
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Hinksy

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Re: Tamiya 1/48 Flakpanzer Wirbelwind W.I.P.
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Blooody hell, Give me a chance! I haven't finished the build yet, yet alone started the weathering! Ben ![Smile [:)]](/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)
On the bench.......Tamiya 1/35 Marder III 7.62cm Pak36(r)
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11-08-2009, 6:30 PM
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Phil_H
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Re: Tamiya 1/48 Flakpanzer Wirbelwind W.I.P.
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She's coming along nicely Ben, Looks like there are no significant problems that you haven't or won't be able to overcome. The seam around the mid-line of the turret looks like it could use a little more work though (look at your last pic). Seeing that you're going to be brush painting your camo, I would have considered leaving the tools and accessories off, or not painting them until after the camo was done. Something to think about for your next build. It's worth remembering that although Tamiya paints "touch dry" very quickly, often in a few minutes, they do take considerably longer to fully ciure It is preferable to leave them at least overnight before overpainting. Though the surface may appear dry, it is actually quite soft and can be easily scratched for the first 4-6 hours after painting.
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