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Started by Aggieman at 06-21-2009 7:33 AM. Topic has 688 replies.
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   06-21-2009, 7:33 AM
Aggieman


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Re: Official Natural Metal Finish Group Build

Vetteman, I slept on this idea and have decided that I'm going to start over with my foiling.  I'm getting ready to place an order from Squadron for the Microscale stuff you mention.  Now the question is, is it easy to remove already applied foil?  What type of clean up am I getting ready to suffer through?

My reasoning for this decision is that when I look at my photos compared to others on this GB, I readily see issues with my work.  I think I should be following panel lines when applying the foil, and cutting foil to shape around panels rather than just putting the foil on however I feel like.  I've been burnishing the edges of the foil but those edges are still visible.  I've read that rubbing the foil with 0000 strength steel wool will help make those edges go away but will also reduce the shine, something I don't want to do for this build. 


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   06-21-2009, 9:28 AM
vetteman42


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Re: Official Natural Metal Finish Group Build

Aggieman I downloaded your pictures, blew them up and dont see much reason to pull what you have done so far, just a couple of oddly placed pieces of foil is all on the left side of the tail. The steel wool will take care of that for ya though. Oh and the steel wool doesnt really dull the shine in fact it increases the shine a bit. What it really does is if you look at the foil, the shiney side you will see a heavy grain in the foil, the steel wool hides that heavily grained look by removing it. The dull side doesnt have that heavy grain in it. The really cool thing I have found is turning the grain differant ways on differant panels,  as on real aircraft the grain of the aluminim runs in differant directions, by turning the grain of the foil in differant directions you can create the same look after burnishing with the steel wool. I found that trick by accident to be honest. I burnish with steel wool in the same direction all the time, with the air flow over the plane just easy to remember for me, thats where you get the look I am talking about on the pieces of foil with the grain in a differant direction. As far as removing what you have done to this point, as I said earlier I dont see any point in doing that as it would be a nightmare I think. I found that with the Micro Scale adhesive that I can remove it with in a few minutes of applying it with out much trouble, but once the glue has cured it has to be scraped or sanded off, then you have the glue residue to deal with. Hope this helps ya out Aggieman.

Have a great Fathers Day

 


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   06-21-2009, 1:10 PM
vetteman42


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Re: Official Natural Metal Finish Group Build

Thought I would post a few WIP pictures so you all would know I am working on the P-38. I spent most of yesterday foiling the Radiator housings on the booms, and let me tell ya I am happy I foiled them before attaching the booms to the wings. I also found as I suspected that this model is a heavy tail sitter so will be adding some lead to the nose and engine bays. Have loads of filling yet to do as you can see.

Thanks for looking and comments are welcome

 


Randy

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   06-21-2009, 1:28 PM
soulcrusher


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Re: Official Natural Metal Finish Group Build

Looking good so far Randy. That is definetly a tough subject to foil. I build the same kit a while back as an F-5 Recon Lightning. There are alot of seems to fill.

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   06-21-2009, 9:19 PM
Thunderbolt379

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Re: Official Natural Metal Finish Group Build

Hi Aggie and all,

Re foil adhesives, you might like to check out the product review of the Microscale Micro Metal Foil Adhesive I just posted to my blog, at the address below.

I'm very eager to go the paint route and see what Talon can do, I should be receiving my F-84 research book in a couple of weeks, and by then Squadron may have shipped the canopy masks. If it works as advertised I foresee a number of NMF builds in the near future.

Cheers,

Mike


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   06-21-2009, 10:21 PM
vetteman42


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Re: Official Natural Metal Finish Group Build

Thunderbolt379 Like your blog and the review, its come aways sence I was last there. I have found that Micro Foil Adhesive will clean up nicely with 91% alcohol, I didnt like the idea of cleaning it with paint thinner seemed to leave an oily film on my model that also needed cleaning up. I will start checking it more often now. Thanks for sharing it

 

 


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   06-22-2009, 8:38 AM
Sherman1111


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Re: Official Natural Metal Finish Group Build

Wow go away for a week and look at all the progress, I was at the Airforce Museum at Wright Patterson AFB in Dayton oh. What a treat havent been there in a while. for all of you building B-58 here a few pictures.

hope this gives you some ideas





















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   06-22-2009, 8:50 AM
Thunderbolt379

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Re: Official Natural Metal Finish Group Build

Stupendous, Sherman -- thankyou so much! I have GOT to visit this museum! One of these days I will indeed be building some 58s, the Italeri 1:72 and the Monogram 1:48 (after fully rescribing the latter, a job so prepossessing that I'm thinking I might just keep a few parts around and scribe a line or two when I have time, and maybe in a year or two she'll be ready to assemble...)

Speaking of Hustlers, I posted an article about the Aurora, Lindberg and Italeri kits on my blog a few days ago, at the address below.

Cheers,

Mike


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   06-22-2009, 9:39 AM
Lancair IV


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Re: Official Natural Metal Finish Group Build
Thanks Sherman111.  Those shots are great and will help me out.  What kind of camera did you use.  That place has terrible lighting for taking pictures.

Rob Byrnes
Novi, Mi.
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   06-22-2009, 10:52 AM
Sherman1111


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Re: Official Natural Metal Finish Group Build
your welcome, the lighting at the museum is dark and a lot is focused on the aircraft, but the buildinga are huge, a B-36 can pass through them and the roof is painted black. I used a cannon power shot A560 so my flash wasnt that big. I used to live in Dayton so I have been there numerous times over the years. if in the area I highly reccomend seeing this collection.




















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   06-22-2009, 12:02 PM
Lancair IV


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Re: Official Natural Metal Finish Group Build

I've been there several time myself.  It's only a 3 hour drive from my house.  In the late 80's my dad won the Wright Brothers Award with his Lancair 235.  The local EAA chapter treated us like kings.  He flew the plane in the air show, we toured the Wrights house, Hoffman Prairie, several museums around Dayton, and on Saturday night, they closed the museum except for the winners of this award.  We had the run of the place.  They served us dinner under the wing of the B-36.  It's one of those memories that is burned into my brain.  I took my dad back there last year for fathers day and we had a great time.  Here's a picture of him standing next to the B-36 Main Gear, a couple of pics I took of the B-58, and my favorite plane there, a skeleton F-86.  I really hate taking pictures there.

 


Rob Byrnes
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   06-22-2009, 6:18 PM
soulcrusher


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Re: Official Natural Metal Finish Group Build

A bit more progress. I found out the hard way it is a pain in the butt to do a model in half NMF and paint. It is tough separating both halves of the model because they are both being treated completly separatly. The painted bottom needed a coat of future and then a dullcoat for the decals. With the upper NMF I am applying the decals directly to the finish because of its smooth surface and I do not want and dullcoat overspray on it either. Here is a pic where I am at so far.

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   06-22-2009, 8:42 PM
smokinguns3


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Re: Official Natural Metal Finish Group Build
looking good.

Rob
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   06-22-2009, 9:02 PM
Lancair IV


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Re: Official Natural Metal Finish Group Build

Outstanding work Soulcrusher.  Love the color contrast.  Cant wait to see her completed.

 

I should be able to post some updated pictures of my 1/48 B-58 Hustler tomorrow.  The undercarriage is complete but not attached, and a bunch of foiling is completed.  I forgot how monotonous this is.  I thought I learned my lesson after the B-24.  I'll never learn.


Rob Byrnes
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   06-22-2009, 10:23 PM
vetteman42


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Re: Official Natural Metal Finish Group Build

Sherman1111 Nice pictures of the B-58 thank you for sharing them with us. But you have gone an dun a dangerous thing and given me an idea or two that I am going to have to think on for a few days.

Lancair IV thanks for the pictures those kind of memories are priceless.

Soulcrusher Oh I like it very nice work ! That Talon stuff really works well and the contrast with color really pops. Chompin at the bit to see it finished.

 

 


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   06-22-2009, 10:34 PM
fermis


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Re: Official Natural Metal Finish Group Build

 Hello again all, the work is lookin great, by everyone. I just couldn't let you guys have all the fun. I finally did it!!! I broke out ProMods, F-86D Sabredog. Finished up the pit and a few misc. bits today, and about to get back at it. Another late night, tomorrow is another day off. It's only been about 2 months (since building), but it feels like a lot longer. Feels good to be back at it.

 Dayton is terrible for pics. I took 2 rolls, and was quite disappointed.


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   06-23-2009, 12:31 PM
Lancair IV


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Re: Official Natural Metal Finish Group Build
Welcome back Fermis.......

Rob Byrnes
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   06-23-2009, 3:12 PM
Lancair IV


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Re: Official Natural Metal Finish Group Build

Undercarriage is complete less a few lines i want to run.  They are not attached yet so I can finish the foiling.

 

Thanks for looking

Cheers


Rob Byrnes
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   06-23-2009, 4:57 PM
soulcrusher


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Re: Official Natural Metal Finish Group Build

Thank you Rob Rob and Randy.Rob that B-58 is looking good. The foil work is quite impressive.

I managed to place most of the decals last night. I still have to put all of the fueling stencils and such on. Of course the stripe that runs down the side of the cowl and underneath the cockpit gave me trouble. I was expecting it to as every review of this kit stated how hard it was to get in place because it goes over the very sharply curved bulges in the cowl and over the exhaust openings. I should be able to touch them up a bit with paint. The white rudder decal was a bit of a disapointment as it looks a little blochy up close but I can live with it. I mean its only a $15.. dollar kit and Academy decals are known for being a bit on the thick side. I will post some more pics later after I get the rest of the decals on. Hopefully tomorrow I will be adding all of the fiddly bits. I liked the Talon paints so much I think I am going to do another subject for this GB because there is still so much time left in this GB.

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   06-23-2009, 4:59 PM
blkhwkmatt


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Re: Official Natural Metal Finish Group Build

Lancair IV - Looking good so far!!  Everyone's builds are looking to be moving along well.

I have completed the foiling on my sabre, and was completely sure that I read that you could decal right over the foil without the need for a gloss coat, so that is what I did.  Either Academy's decals are the thickest that I have ever seen or something else is wrong.  On one of the wing decals it simply will not comform to the leading edge, I have tried everything, future, solvaset good ol' pressure and still i have a good 1/4 inch that will not sit down.  All in all none of the decals that I have applied have reacted at all to the solvaset, which normally has the tendency to destroy decals if used too much, and I have used 4 or more applications on each decal.

 So my next question is this, how does one remove decals without destroying the model.  I thought of sanding them off (would work well with paint) but am not sure what that would do to the foil.  I have already ordered new decals from Greatmodels and am searching fo some help in getting rid of the old decals.

Matt


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