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Started by Milairjunkie at 12-04-2008 5:46 PM. Topic has 76 replies.
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   12-04-2008, 5:46 PM
Milairjunkie


Joined on 10-08-2007
Scotland
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Re: Most Over-Modeled Combat Aircraft by Era

Mustang, 109, spitfire, B-17, B-29.

F-4,

F-4,

F-4,

F-16,

F-18,

Next on the cards F-22.

All fair fantastic game apart from the generic fighting, bombing, SEADing, aerobatic, CAPing, terrorist chasing, intercepting electronic warfaring one - even in its "new & extended version" - Its just not one of my favorites - at all.

 


Done: B-1B, XB-70, IV-A, Vulcan, Hawk
In the pot: 1/72 B-58, 1/72 Victor
Wants: 1/72 TU-160, TU22-M3 & another Vulcan
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   12-04-2008, 7:02 PM
DesertRat


Joined on 02-18-2007
Casa Grande, Az.
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Re: Most Over-Modeled Combat Aircraft by Era

All aforementioned kits overmodelled? Well, maybe. I don't see that as a bad thing though.

I'm certainly not the most exceptional modeler here. To the contrary, I consider myself to be a mere novice compared to most guys/gals here. I see the whole plethora of any given subject a plus. Within each subject, no two are exactly alike. To me, it helps point out different choices and options available- not to mention maybe an idea or two that I haven' considered before.

I or one, welcome this "overmodelling". Besides, I find that most of the moe common builds here are what I'm interested in building in the frst place!Blush [:I]


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   12-04-2008, 7:29 PM
hkshooter


Joined on 12-15-2003
Indiana
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Re: Most Over-Modeled Combat Aircraft by Era

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define "overmodeled".

Sheesh.


Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun!


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   12-04-2008, 7:42 PM
Greenshirt


Joined on 11-10-2005
Leonardtown, Maryland
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Re: Most Over-Modeled Combat Aircraft by Era

I "dabble" in all things fixed wing, but a major focus of mine seems to be 20's - 40's. 

I think the 109 is most over-modeled.  Followed by the F-4 (seems to be more of that than P-51) but as I indicated, I don't follow jet trends as closely.

On my shelves are more Luftwaffe, Italian and Russian aircraft, followed by US Navy and FAA.  Frankly it's because I like camo schemes -- the more colors the better.  I've shyed away from the over-modeled, except of course for the 109.  I once determined I could make 100 109s and still not have two that were "identical" (ignoring individual markings).

GS


On the bench (all 1/72nd):
Italeri HS-129B-1
Fujimi Spitfire F Mk.XIVe
CMR Spitfire I (resin)
CMR/Revell Mk Vb to Mk Vc (conversion)
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   12-04-2008, 8:40 PM
enodaed


Joined on 04-04-2008
Seattle
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Re: Most Over-Modeled Combat Aircraft by Era
 I actually had the owner of one of my LHS give me a hard time for walking up to the counter with a 109. And not in a fun way. I still bought it but have not been back.

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   12-04-2008, 9:06 PM
JMart


Joined on 03-02-2007
Southern CT
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Re: Most Over-Modeled Combat Aircraft by Era

Im a newbie, but I dont think any kit/type is over-modeled. Yes, we see tons of 109s & P-51s, but maybe its because of the plethora of markings, decal options and paint jobs you can do. Same for the phantom. You dont see much variance in paint jobs with the IJN/IJA birds, even the spitfire is somewhat limited in what you can do. Why do people prefer german tanks? Maybe the paintjobs are more interesting that OD.

finally, there is the issue of whats offered for sale... quick search in Greatmodels (1:48) scale:

P-51s - 29 different kits

Bf 109s - 53

all spitfires - 39

now lets look at the "lesser" ones:

stuka - 5

bf 110 - 5

mosquito - 6

ALL yaks - 11

buffalo -4

well, you get the idea.

point is, "Over-modeling" is a function of what is offered...  german armor, japanese ww2 ships, 109/P51s.

 

 




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   12-04-2008, 9:10 PM
richs26

Joined on 09-26-2005
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Re: Most Over-Modeled Combat Aircraft by Era
Let's get more specific.  B-17G, B-26B's (Flak Bait), early B-17F models (Memphis Belle-everyone thinks that the Belle was the first to reach 25 missions in Europe: Not.  Hell's Angels was the first from the 303rd BG.  It just had a documentary and a movie going for it for PR purposes.), P-51D's, P-40E's, B-24J's, B-25J's, late P-47D's (bubbletop).
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   12-04-2008, 10:12 PM
trexx


Joined on 01-02-2007
Northern California
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Re: Most Over-Modeled Combat Aircraft by Era

...only when every last one is built, will I be satisfied!

A million mile road paved with completed Messerschmitt 109s would be sliver of a fraction of the monument in my imagination!

Build on!


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   12-04-2008, 10:44 PM
Hans von Hammer


Joined on 06-26-2008
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Re: Most Over-Modeled Combat Aircraft by Era
 hkshooter wrote:

Sign - Dots [#dots]

define "overmodeled".

Sheesh.

That's for YOU to decide... Hence the "opinion" bit, Shooter...

I told you my opinion of what defined it, or at least I thought I did in my opening post, when I said that at the last minute, we had to create a separate category at the contest just for 109s... If you feel there's no such thing as "over-modeled, by all means say so...

Sheesh...Wink [;)]

 



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   12-04-2008, 10:49 PM
Hans von Hammer


Joined on 06-26-2008
Iowa
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Re: Most Over-Modeled Combat Aircraft by Era

 richs26 wrote:
Let's get more specific.  B-17G, B-26B's (Flak Bait), early B-17F models (Memphis Belle-everyone thinks that the Belle was the first to reach 25 missions in Europe: Not.  Hell's Angels was the first from the 303rd BG.  It just had a documentary and a movie going for it for PR purposes.), P-51D's, P-40E's, B-24J's, B-25J's, late P-47D's (bubbletop).

I don't think B-26s are over-modeled by any means.. Ain't that many kits of them out there.  I have two Monogram Marauders (one indeed, is "Flak-Bait" waiting for glue, but they aren't in production anymore, haven't been for years.  Although I purposely stayed away from bombers in the scope of this thread, since overall, there aren't as many kit-types of bombers as there are fighters and attack aircraft.

Overall, "Over-modeling" is a thing that comes from the manufacturers... They build what sells and there's no reason to change that.  I love building the old stand-bys from WW1 and WW2, but they definately need to push farther into the "Golden Age" era, in my not-so-humble opinion... The US Army Air Corps alone is thick with aircraft types during that era...

 



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   12-04-2008, 11:00 PM
Thehannaman2


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Re: Most Over-Modeled Combat Aircraft by Era

I think that over-modeled is a highly subjeective term.  I think people get sick of seeing the same things over and again.  However, the items that tend to get "over-modeled" are the ones that usually have so much variety in how you can build it.  Lets not forget that there were more than a couple of REAL 109's built and they tended to have very different markings and options.  Same goes for 'stangs.  The people that tend to over-build these subjects are ones that have a genuine interest in that particular item and it's history.  Therefore, only the view gets bored with seeing the same old same old.

Solution:  if you want to see variety on the judging table, forum, club display, etc. build something different that you'd like to showcase.  Take matters into your own hands, because you know that the guy building the entire gruppen of 109's is very happy to continue doing so.


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   12-04-2008, 11:01 PM
bondoman


Joined on 03-06-2007
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Re: Most Over-Modeled Combat Aircraft by Era

Really, and not to take this in another direction, but why isn't there a B-18?

 

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   12-04-2008, 11:10 PM
Hans von Hammer


Joined on 06-26-2008
Iowa
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Re: Most Over-Modeled Combat Aircraft by Era
 Thehannaman2 wrote:

I think that over-modeled is a highly subjeective term.  I think people get sick of seeing the same things over and again.  However, the items that tend to get "over-modeled" are the ones that usually have so much variety in how you can build it.  Lets not forget that there were more than a couple of REAL 109's built and they tended to have very different markings and options.  Same goes for 'stangs.  The people that tend to over-build these subjects are ones that have a genuine interest in that particular item and it's history.  Therefore, only the view gets bored with seeing the same old same old.

Solution:  if you want to see variety on the judging table, forum, club display, etc. build something different that you'd like to showcase.  Take matters into your own hands, because you know that the guy building the entire gruppen of 109's is very happy to continue doing so.

So.... You have no opinion then?

Look guys, I didn't post this as a chance to lecture anyone on the subject of why things get over-modeled, it's not that hard to figure out why..

I just wondered if anyone else felt the way I did and maybe inspire some more builds outside the "regular" stuff... If more folks see more "less popular" builds, then maybe the manufacturers would take notice and not release another freakin' Me 109 or Mustang before they release a say, a 1/32nd scale P-6 or 1/48th P-30, or P-16, or, like Bondoman, a B-18...



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   12-04-2008, 11:14 PM
Lucien Harpress


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Re: Most Over-Modeled Combat Aircraft by Era

Hm... "builds outside the 'regular' stuff"..... Pretty much sums up... EVERYTHING I build!  Which is why I do it- Everyone's seen a Bf 109.  How many have seen a Polikarpov I-1?  Or a Tupolev TB-3?  Or a Short Stirling?  Or an SSW R.VIII?  Therefore, why not build it!


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   12-04-2008, 11:15 PM
Thehannaman2


Joined on 08-31-2004
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Re: Most Over-Modeled Combat Aircraft by Era
 Hans von Hammer wrote:

If you feel there's no such thing as "over-modeled, by all means say so...

Sheesh...Wink [;)]

 

 

I don't....So I did.  Don't get bent out of shape because you didn't get the response you were expecting.


Justen

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   12-04-2008, 11:16 PM
psstoff995


Joined on 12-16-2003
Northern Virginia
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Re: Most Over-Modeled Combat Aircraft by Era
 JMart wrote:
there is the issue of whats offered for sale... quick search in Greatmodels (1:48) scale:

P-51s - 29 different kits

Bf 109s - 53

all spitfires - 39

now lets look at the "lesser" ones:

stuka - 5

bf 110 - 5

mosquito - 6

ALL yaks - 11

buffalo -4

well, you get the idea.

point is, "Over-modeling" is a function of what is offered>



Do you mean over modeling is due to which kits are made and availability? Because I would then have to ask why would these kits be made at such a higher rate than the others? Because I think the answer to that is due to their popularity. They are over modeled so demand is high, the variation in supply might increase because of this.

For example, an after market company would make much more money off of 109s than they would off of Buffalos. Unless one starts taking into account the "specialty product"/rarity side of things, where those people that enjoy building the Buffalo would be really interested in after-market- and end up willing to pay more for a rare update, than a bunch of modelers that know there is an equally wide range of 109 aftermarket which would drive the cost down...

Main point was I don't think it's fair to say people over build because of over availability. I think it's a "which came first? Chicken or the egg?" kind of issue.

Just my .02c

-Chris
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   12-04-2008, 11:25 PM
Hans von Hammer


Joined on 06-26-2008
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Re: Most Over-Modeled Combat Aircraft by Era
 Thehannaman2 wrote:
 Hans von Hammer wrote:

If you feel there's no such thing as "over-modeled, by all means say so...

Sheesh...Wink [;)]

 

 

I don't....So I did.  Don't get bent out of shape because you didn't get the response you were expecting.

Look, pal... I ain't bent outta shape by anything, so that's why the little "winkie" thing after the "Sheesh"... That was directed HKshooter anyway and was "tongue-in-cheek"... 

But judging from your response, if you wanna turn this little conversation into a p*ssin' contest, I'll be happy to oblige ya... Ain't been in a good chat-fight or flame-war in months...



Colonel, 55th FG
Great Plains Wing
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   12-04-2008, 11:29 PM
Thehannaman2


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Re: Most Over-Modeled Combat Aircraft by Era

Okay... Easy, Killer.

This is a modelling website. You posed a question and I answered.  You found fault with my answer and I was accused of "lecturing." I responded.  Let's keep this in perspective.


Justen

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   12-04-2008, 11:40 PM
Hans von Hammer


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Iowa
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Re: Most Over-Modeled Combat Aircraft by Era

Ok, the "Lecture" part wasn't directed specifically at anyone... Only the "no opinion" part was yours.

And I don't "accuse" anyone of anything...

Let's move on...



Colonel, 55th FG
Great Plains Wing
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   12-05-2008, 12:13 AM
Aaronw


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Re: Most Over-Modeled Combat Aircraft by Era
 bondoman wrote:

Really, and not to take this in another direction, but why isn't there a B-18?

 

 

That is a good question, it is really surprising since there have been some short run kits of similarly obscure aircraft.

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