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Started by 427 Cobra at 10-08-2009 5:28 PM. Topic has 45 replies.
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10-08-2009, 5:28 PM
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427 Cobra

Joined on 09-18-2009
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Re: Four Foot X-wing work in progress (picture heavy)
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Thanks! I appreciate all the comments.
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10-14-2009, 11:55 AM
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427 Cobra

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Re: Four Foot X-wing work in progress (picture heavy)
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I'll let most of the pictures do the talking. Click on photos to see them in their original size. This is the replacement disc for the reinforcement. This goes half way through the bell. The original one had a gap between it and the disc behind it. I didn't want to fill it and still have a sloppy looking joint between them. I turned this on a Millwaukee corded drill. This picture is only for demonstration and to show how I made this. I clamped the drill to a vise on the workbench,then I held 60 grit sandpaper glued to a board. I smoothed this to shape with a rasp file held at a 45 degree angle. I followed that up with 220,320,(Wet)and 600(wet)sandpaper. I shaved this down to the same diameter of the first disc. This is to show the clarity of this piece. I love the look of this so much. I don't want to cut it in half. This turned into a dismal failure. This was supposed to be the reinforcement ring in the middle of the intake bell. I wetsanded on these discs so much that I wetsanded through my fingertips. This made them bleed uncontrollably for a couple minutes. Here's the mess I made on the countertop while doing this. This is the cutting wheel that I made from a fender washer with the Moto-tool. I was tired of breaking cut off discs,so I made this. It slices right through plastic like a knife through hot butter.
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10-14-2009, 11:09 PM
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427 Cobra

Joined on 09-18-2009
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Re: Four Foot X-wing work in progress (picture heavy)
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Thanks for the compliment! Sometimes you have to improvise to get the job done. Being a former machinist has its' advantages.
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10-16-2009, 9:33 AM
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427 Cobra

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Re: Four Foot X-wing work in progress (picture heavy)
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Here are the latest reference photos that I used for this. Click on photos to see them in their original size.
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10-17-2009, 9:57 AM
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427 Cobra

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Re: Four Foot X-wing work in progress (picture heavy)
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Click on photos to see them in their original size. I know that everyone is sick of seeing this in the form that it was made in - I know I am. Now you don't have to. I had to shave this down,it was too tall. Here you can see the lines I scored into it for cutting. With its' final shape. This is for the F-4 Phantom engine mount. F-4 -it seems ironic,as this is the stamp the U.S. government uses for "rejected" projects. The cut off wheel that I made is very sharp. I found this out the hard way. The discs I cut for the finial behind the flash supressor. This is it in the rough. I turned all the discs at the same time. This was too long,so I had to remove one of the discs. I didn't glue these together to keep me from having to shave this down. The smaller disc was to be shaved to the correct diameter later. I only cut it out at this stage to approximate its' size with the other parts. The heat from turning the discs melted them together even after polishing them to high gloss. This is to show scale. I turned the ruler over for both english,and metric measurements. More damage. It's easy to see which hand does the most work. I tore this open while cutting these discs. I have over half a dozen cuts now. I know what everyone is thinking. You don't want to see a cut up hand. I won't be able to work on this until I heal. Well,if you don't see any updates for a while,you'll know why. This is the finial in its' final shape. A closer look. I polished this for clarity. This way,I could see if there're any imperfections. This won't be highly polished when I'm done with it. This will have to be satin finished so that paint will stick to the cast version of it.
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10-17-2009, 12:06 PM
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427 Cobra

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Re: Four Foot X-wing work in progress (picture heavy)
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Here's a birds' eye view of the barrel. I took several photos of this. I can't make up my mind which one is the clearest,so I posted all of them. I haphazardly assembled this for you guys to get an idea of what this will look like when finished. None of it is glued together yet. This is Mandy. She thinks she's helping me out. No sooner than I started taking these pictures,she jumped right into the camera view. She was playing with the short brass piece that I use to mount parts for photos.
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10-17-2009, 9:16 PM
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427 Cobra

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Re: Four Foot X-wing work in progress (picture heavy)
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Thank you. All the comments are very much appreciated. Now I don't feel like I'm talking to myself.
That which does not kill us,only pisses us off!  Remember,there's always a right way,and wrong way to do things,except that there is no right way to do the wrong thing!
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10-19-2009, 4:22 PM
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427 Cobra

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Here are two of the reference photos that I used to make this with. Click on photos to see them in their original size.
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10-20-2009, 11:22 AM
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jtrace214

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Re: Four Foot X-wing work in progress (picture heavy)
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427,as a big fan of the movies you are doing great justice to the X-wing,great work,my hands are hurting just looking at them cuts lol. Keep up the great work. John
the pic to the left is my weekend condo lol
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11-01-2009, 1:21 AM
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427 Cobra

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Thanks jtrace214. I'm pulling all the stops out on this one. This will be my ultimate tribute to the ILM guys. Accuracy is a must! The only thing other than having to replace parts that are the wrong size here and there is,finding out that I have to make TWO laser canon bodies,as they're not the same all the way around. There are two distinct designs they used for the top right wing,and bottom left wing - these two being the same. And - the top left wing and bottom right wing are the same design. Why they did it this way is a mystery. I'll post comparison shots when I get the other laser canon body done. I'll let most of the photos do the talking. If you have any questions - I'll try to answer them in a timely manner. I've been busy since I got the materials I've needed for a while. This is why I haven't posted for week,I'm still building as you read this. Click on photos to see them in their original size.
I put the new flash supressor inside the old one for comparison. I did this after realising it was too big. The smaller one is the correct size. I had to shave a disc to the same size as the tip. I held it in my hand and removed the center with a Moto-tool until it was the same diameter around. Then I glued it to the face of the finial,so it would have the same appearance. The laser canon body started. I still need 0.05" sheet styrene to finish this. The local hobby store didn't have any,so it's on special order. The bottom half of the engine intake shroud finished.
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11-02-2009, 11:14 AM
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427 Cobra

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Thanks Jerry! I keep forgetting to cut my nails. They're just so handy to have when trying to pick up small things. I also use them for picking dirt out of joints too. My hands are healing well. I have a new small cut,but holding the blade in your hand without the handle makes for cutting yourself real easy!
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11-07-2009, 8:25 PM
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427 Cobra

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Please click on photos to see them in thier original size. The Saturn V housings with the sheet styrene glued to it. This is to make the small lip that is not very prominent on the front edge.
The horrible scribbling is to remind me which edge is to be cut for gluing. This is the Saturn V housings together to check for straightness. I had to plane them to the correct dimensions. I left the bottom edge oversized for a margin of error. This allowed me to get superglue on it,then sand it without ruining the straight edge by removing too much material until the styrene sheet edge was finished. There's a slight edge between the bottom edge of the engine housing,and the styrene sheet that overlaps it. I added the strips on the ends of the engine housings that are present on the ILM Models. I'll post a comparison photo later. I scraped the bottom edge of the styrene to make the line straight with the PVC pipe,as I cut the sheet a little off center without realising it. I then sanded it with 150,and 220 grit to make it smooth. I'll do all the little touch ups later with 320,and 600 grit to make it ultra smooth,and even. These are the first attempts at making the greeblies that go on the outside of the Saturn V housing. The one on the far right is the first one I made. The one on the far left is the properly shaped,and finished version. This photo shows the two housings with the protruding lip. This was never removed from the original models used in the seventies. This was added to the four foot model by Ira Keelar to replicate this feature of the Saturn V engine housings. This was actually a lip added to the original Airfix Saturn V model to allow proper alignment between the two pieces of the rocket body joint. The following photos are of greeblies that go on the outside of the engine housings. These are made from 0.05" thick sheet styrene. This is why these features look so faint on the four foot ILM model. The long spar(rib)between the two chevrons is 0.20" inch thick. This is stretched sprue that I made,but I didn't have enough to fit the inside of the housings in the correct diameter. I ended up not using it afterall. These are closer shots of the greeblies that are present on the outside of the rocket housings. These have been replicated by the ILM guys for this build. I replicated them to be the same size,shape,and thickness for my build too. The three bottom greeblies are shown for comparison with the finished versions.
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11-08-2009, 5:18 PM
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427 Cobra

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Click on photo to see it in its' original size. Does anyone else know an easier way to glue copper to PVC tubing? I've been working on this for two days gluing,cleaning up excess glue,gluing cleaning up,etc. I know this piping looks awfully crooked in places,but it's impossible to bend it to shape,then glue it without having it move. This leaves glue marks that have to be wetsanded out after it dries. The poor quality of lighting makes it look like brass,but it IS copper. I got it from a Hewlett * Packard computer transformer. This post has been updated with a more complete version - it still needs more greeblies added to finish the inside of it. The piping is done.
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11-08-2009, 6:11 PM
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427 Cobra

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That's the problem,Jerry - I've been using super glue gap filling(Bob Smith industries brand),but I have to use acetone to clean most of the excess off,then very carefully wetsand the areas that have been glued before,so that I don't ruin them. Afterall,I want to make this into a kit,if I ever get that far!
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11-10-2009, 5:45 PM
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Hey came to see f you had the band-aids of those fingers!!? Looking fantastic a real labor of love man, when you get this big you have to make everything your out of most of the kit stuff for parts!!ARRGGHHHH A set of 1/144th scale saturn V's would be nice ya!!LOL
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11-12-2009, 5:37 PM
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427 Cobra

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Yes,a 1/144th scale Saturn V model in this size would be nice,only this is a little bigger than that - it's more like 1/124th scale. I'm still working the laser canons,so I put the engine housings on hold,as they'll be easier to put together now that I have all the parts made for them. I need to finish making the lasers first,as they were in the making before I started with all the greeblies for the Saturn V housings. I've been making all the small parts after the big ones. This makes it simple. Make the larger parts,then make all the smaller parts to the same scale. This is the part that I used for the details inside the intake. I used half of this when I took this picture. I took the entire thing apart for greeblies on a future project. The one in the second picture is now a cat toy. I took the wire off of it first.
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