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Started by mucker at 02-09-2007 9:14 PM. Topic has 570 replies.
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   02-09-2007, 9:14 PM
mucker

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Northern KY
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Re: P-39 Airacobra Group Build
Very nice, JOhn...now I want one! That would look good sitting next to a P-39!

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   02-09-2007, 11:09 PM
jeaton01


Joined on 12-08-2002
Northern California
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Re: P-39 Airacobra Group Build

 mucker wrote:
Very nice, JOhn...now I want one! That would look good sitting next to a P-39!

Thanks for the nice comment, "mucker".  Believe it or not, the thought of having the P-63 to sit next to a P-39 is sort of what got me going on the P-63...only now I have to build the P-39!

If you do pursue this kit, plan on taking your time, but as the building goes you start to see the shape of the airplane coming out of the plastic.  It does have very nice surface detailing on the major plastic parts.  I glued the upper wing halves to the fuselage halves even before I glued the fuselage halves together or put the cockpit into the fuselage halves, and got rid of the upper wing gaps after a small anount of sanding.  Doing it the other way would be very difficult, as it was easier to sand 1/32 off each wing tip than it would have been to deal with a wing root gap.  The other time consuming part was getting the fuselage together over the interior parts without getting a banana warp in the forward fuselage.  The problem I think is the roof of the nose gear well, a resin part than is very thin and deceptively mishapen where the bulkheads attach to it.  That, and the way the fuselage is so limber in the door area, even with the left door glued in place.  Lots of careful fitting there, and I'm still not too sure that there isn't a slight warp.  Luckily once it is all together, I can't really tell. 


John
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   02-09-2007, 11:33 PM
wing_nut


Joined on 04-13-2005
Piscataway, NJ!
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Re: P-39 Airacobra Group Build

Very nicely done John.  A fine addition to the GBand to your shelf.

 I too can say, "Stick a fork in me... I'M DONE!"


Marc

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   02-10-2007, 7:21 AM
Dubau


Joined on 03-24-2006
Boyertown, PA, USA
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Re: P-39 Airacobra Group Build

WOW ! All of y'll are doing a Great job on your builds here, WOW !

I am sorry that I have not even started on my kit yet :(

I just wanted to post here and say WOW

2 Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup] to all of you

Bud


" You've experienced a set back, and without set backs and learning how to fix them you'll never make the leap from kit builder to modeler "
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   02-10-2007, 8:06 AM
mucker

Joined on 07-14-2004
Northern KY
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Re: P-39 Airacobra Group Build
 jeaton01 wrote:

 mucker wrote:
Very nice, JOhn...now I want one! That would look good sitting next to a P-39!

Thanks for the nice comment, "mucker".  Believe it or not, the thought of having the P-63 to sit next to a P-39 is sort of what got me going on the P-63...only now I have to build the P-39!

If you do pursue this kit, plan on taking your time, but as the building goes you start to see the shape of the airplane coming out of the plastic.  It does have very nice surface detailing on the major plastic parts.  I glued the upper wing halves to the fuselage halves even before I glued the fuselage halves together or put the cockpit into the fuselage halves, and got rid of the upper wing gaps after a small anount of sanding.  Doing it the other way would be very difficult, as it was easier to sand 1/32 off each wing tip than it would have been to deal with a wing root gap.  The other time consuming part was getting the fuselage together over the interior parts without getting a banana warp in the forward fuselage.  The problem I think is the roof of the nose gear well, a resin part than is very thin and deceptively mishapen where the bulkheads attach to it.  That, and the way the fuselage is so limber in the door area, even with the left door glued in place.  Lots of careful fitting there, and I'm still not too sure that there isn't a slight warp.  Luckily once it is all together, I can't really tell. 

I've read that the P-63 is a difficult kit, but being in the GB with you was much more up close and personal...and informative. GB's like this can be better than any on-line review, as the dialogue during the process lets one ask questioins almost in "real time".

With your quest, it would seem you've finished the difficult part. I hear the Hasegawa P-39 kit is a gem, and I can't complain about the Eduard kit, except fort the canopy/door fit, but you're a weathered veteran in that area, as well.

Thanks again for sharing your thoughts as you went through the kit. I, for one, found it very useful information.


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   02-10-2007, 8:12 AM
mucker

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Re: P-39 Airacobra Group Build

Marc, Daisy Mae is a true beauty. Unique and well done. You really thinned the trailing edge of the wing well, and if I didn't look specifically for it, you found a way to snug the closed door in without standing out. Now I'd better stop watching the History Channel (come on, Dogfights was on last night!) and get back to the bench.

Great pics, too


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   02-10-2007, 10:08 AM
newoldguy

Joined on 07-04-2006
Show Low AZ.
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Re: P-39 Airacobra Group Build

Marc excellent work on a rare look she sure does look nice in her bare skin, Jeaton nothing but praise for your p-63 looks good. Scottd is that the Hasegawa kit, the canopy on mine gave me fits also the final product is ok from a distance just dont look close as I used alot of testors clear cement to kind of fill the gap in, hang in there it is a great kit otherwise.

Barry



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   02-10-2007, 11:22 AM
jeaton01


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Northern California
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Re: P-39 Airacobra Group Build
Thanks to everyone, and congratulations to Marc on Daisy Mae, I really like that one.  I hope that I have given back as much to the group build as I got, it was a big help to be a part of it, and to have the resources of the FSM forum really helped me improve the final result.  On the bench now are the Airfix TSR.2, Williams Brothers C-46 ( in paint, struggling with a NMF on this one) and a few others.  Also a Pro-Modeler P-39 with KMC interior.  What the heck, all the paint bottles are already stirred up to do the P-39!

John
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   02-10-2007, 12:26 PM
Hippy-Ed


Joined on 12-22-2004
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Re: P-39 Airacobra Group Build

Progress Dawg sneaks in, sniffs around likes what he sees!!Big Smile [:D] spies Dave's leg...hmmm....Evil [}:)]marks territory....

Lookin' good fellasApprove [^]



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   02-10-2007, 2:17 PM
mucker

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Northern KY
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Re: P-39 Airacobra Group Build

 jeaton01 wrote:
Thanks to everyone, and congratulations to Marc on Daisy Mae, I really like that one.  I hope that I have given back as much to the group build as I got, it was a big help to be a part of it, and to have the resources of the FSM forum really helped me improve the final result.  On the bench now are the Airfix TSR.2, Williams Brothers C-46 ( in paint, struggling with a NMF on this one) and a few others.  Also a Pro-Modeler P-39 with KMC interior.  What the heck, all the paint bottles are already stirred up to do the P-39!

Go for it, John (the ProModeler P-39). I don't think anyone will stop you from another entry in the GB (except, maybe the West Coast office...although Ed seems occupied with Dave's leg at the moment).


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   02-10-2007, 6:07 PM
Hippy-Ed


Joined on 12-22-2004
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Re: P-39 Airacobra Group Build
 mucker wrote:

 jeaton01 wrote:
Thanks to everyone, and congratulations to Marc on Daisy Mae, I really like that one.  I hope that I have given back as much to the group build as I got, it was a big help to be a part of it, and to have the resources of the FSM forum really helped me improve the final result.  On the bench now are the Airfix TSR.2, Williams Brothers C-46 ( in paint, struggling with a NMF on this one) and a few others.  Also a Pro-Modeler P-39 with KMC interior.  What the heck, all the paint bottles are already stirred up to do the P-39!

Go for it, John (the ProModeler P-39). I don't think anyone will stop you from another entry in the GB (except, maybe the West Coast office...although Ed seems occupied with Dave's leg at the moment).

 

No worries from the West Coast office... Dave's leg does have it's "appeal" at the momentMischief [:-,]



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   02-10-2007, 6:39 PM
davew6003


Joined on 12-03-2005
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Re: P-39 Airacobra Group Build
 Hippy-Ed wrote:
 mucker wrote:

 jeaton01 wrote:
Thanks to everyone, and congratulations to Marc on Daisy Mae, I really like that one.  I hope that I have given back as much to the group build as I got, it was a big help to be a part of it, and to have the resources of the FSM forum really helped me improve the final result.  On the bench now are the Airfix TSR.2, Williams Brothers C-46 ( in paint, struggling with a NMF on this one) and a few others.  Also a Pro-Modeler P-39 with KMC interior.  What the heck, all the paint bottles are already stirred up to do the P-39!

Go for it, John (the ProModeler P-39). I don't think anyone will stop you from another entry in the GB (except, maybe the West Coast office...although Ed seems occupied with Dave's leg at the moment).

 

No worries from the West Coast office... Dave's leg does have it's "appeal" at the momentMischief [:-,]

Official Release from the Gulf Coast Progress Dog office: " No Comment"


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   02-10-2007, 10:46 PM
mucker

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Northern KY
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Re: P-39 Airacobra Group Build

Progress Dog update:

Yes, it's the decal stage, where the plane starts to take on an identity. I am stumped on the stencils, though...the decal sheet numbers do not match the instruction sheet numbers. I'm going to write to AM to see if they've fixed this. I can take a good guess at half of them but I don't want to screw up so I'll see what they say.


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   02-11-2007, 7:05 AM
wing_nut


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Re: P-39 Airacobra Group Build

Looks real nice Charles. I can scan the decals and instruction sheet from my other kit if it will help you match them up... there are lots of the little stencils.

I think AccMin does that for grins... they must since it seems they do that on all the kits.  It is that way with my Helldiver and have read the same thing from so many others.  So... AccMin will rebox an old kit, not say so up front and charge lots more than it originally cost.  Screw up the instruction sheet with parts numbered wrong and other mistakes (I think I found about 15 in the Helldiver sheet) and the decal reference numbers are wrong.

And we buy AccMin kits because...?


Marc

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   02-11-2007, 10:06 AM
mucker

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Northern KY
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Re: P-39 Airacobra Group Build
 wing_nut wrote:

Looks real nice Charles. I can scan the decals and instruction sheet from my other kit if it will help you match them up... there are lots of the little stencils.

I think AccMin does that for grins... they must since it seems they do that on all the kits.  It is that way with my Helldiver and have read the same thing from so many others.  So... AccMin will rebox an old kit, not say so up front and charge lots more than it originally cost.  Screw up the instruction sheet with parts numbered wrong and other mistakes (I think I found about 15 in the Helldiver sheet) and the decal reference numbers are wrong.

And we buy AccMin kits because...?

Marc: If you don't mind, yes please send me a scan of the Eduard instruction stencil placing. What I don't get is Acc Min had to outsource decals specifically for their re-boxing. It's not like they simply forgot to update the eduard decal sheet onto their instructions. Or does it not work that way? Did they outsource the instructions, too? Hmmm...

Anyways, I appreciate your generosity. Some like stencils and some don't. I personally feel it makes a model look all that more convinving.

Thank you.

As for Acc Min...I guess their re-bexings have screw ups. But their original product is top notch. Their SBD's, TBF's, etc. are as good or better than a Tamigawa kit in my opinion. We get used to this level, and then blindly buy a reboxed offering.


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   02-11-2007, 10:28 PM
Jaypack55


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Re: P-39 Airacobra Group Build
Okay, here's some pics (finally). they're really bad quality (too dark, colors ae off), but it's the best I can do for now. the P-400 is now assembled and has had its middlestone camo sprayed.



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   02-12-2007, 8:34 AM
mucker

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Northern KY
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Re: P-39 Airacobra Group Build
Great stuff there, Jay. The interior looks especially nice, but I like how you weathered the exterior, as well. Is she done? Or do you have a few final touches?

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   02-12-2007, 10:43 AM
chasd25


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SF Bay Area
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Re: P-39 Airacobra Group Build

Great work Marc!

Sadly, no progress on my build over the weekend. Got a little time on a few other projects though.

 

Charlie 


Mono. F-102 95%
Mono. F-8 75%
Hobbycraft Ha-1112 95%
Mono. F-84F 10%
Eduard P-39 50%
Koster XP-72 10%
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   02-12-2007, 11:33 AM
wing_nut


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Re: P-39 Airacobra Group Build

Thanks Charlie.

 

Charles... I was just looking at your last progres pic...EEEWWWWWWWWYuck [yuck]

Please tell me you washed that "shop rag" before useBig Smile [:D]


Marc

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   02-12-2007, 12:41 PM
KINGTHAD

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Dallas
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Re: P-39 Airacobra Group Build

Looks like everyone got in some bench time but me. Thumbs Up [tup]'s up to everone

 

Thad





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