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Started by Schnobs at 06-17-2009 11:19 AM. Topic has 206 replies.
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   06-17-2009, 11:19 AM
Schnobs


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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP

Build Update:

38H Assembly Time: 8 Hours

Painting and Weathering Time: .30 Hours

I took Bill's advice and shot two light coats of Grey Primer on the lower hull looking for fit problems and so far I don't see anything glaring.


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   06-17-2009, 11:25 AM
Schnobs


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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP
 Grem56 wrote:

Excellent "nose job" Edmund, looks better than Barbara Streisand Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

cheers,

Julian

LMAO! 

Thanks Sir! My first nose job never thouhgt modeling would take me there.


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   06-17-2009, 1:23 PM
wbill76


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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP

 Schnobs wrote:
 I wll get right on that.  I do have have a question on this vehcile.  Do you think it had Hull Red as a primer or should I just use a primer grey and be done with it?

Primered nose job looks good Edmund! Since these were reconditioned captured French vehicles, I'm not really sure if they would've been totally stripped down to the metal and repainted with red oxide primer. My guess would be no at least for the unmodified portions of the hull and supsension. The new superstructure and other bits however would likely have been painted with red oxide first. So far as I'm aware, these were not done as field mods but were factory mods.

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   06-17-2009, 4:16 PM
Schnobs


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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP

Thanks for the info and support as always Bill!

Build Update:

38H Assembly Time: 11 Hours

Painting and Weathering Time: 2.30 Hours

I was able to finsh assembling and detailing the hull including replacing plastic grab handles with .015 wire and my first forary into using the Pyrograph method of making weld beads with a hot knife.  I wasn't blazing new ground here just following Andy's lead.  I admit my german soul was very alarmed at burning expensive plastic!!!  Confused [%-)] 

I then sprayed two light coats of MM Grey Primer on the upper hull and her a few pictures.  Ihave not glued the upper and lower hull together as of yet becasue you can see the interior due to the fighting compartment.  I woudl imagine this would be Elfenbien or Ivory like the other German Vehicles of this period.


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   06-17-2009, 6:35 PM
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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP
Your flyin on this one, like the grab handles, im gonna have to replace mine now as yours look great and i completly missed that detail.Confused [%-)]
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   06-17-2009, 8:41 PM
Schnobs


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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP

 Bodge wrote:
Your flyin on this one, like the grab handles, im gonna have to replace mine now as yours look great and i completly missed that detail.Confused [%-)]

Thanks Mate\Bubba!  I am from North Dakota originally and if a guy calls you Bubba it's like he's your mate to you.  I thought the grab handles were not to scale and guys like you have taught me it's all the little details that improve the overall presentation.  Did you think I did ok with the welds?  That was a nerve wracking experience but fun.

I am going minimilistic on the interior due to the fact there isn't much there and just a little slice shows so I Air Brushed a coaty of MM Panzer Interior Buff. used a Neutral Mig wash and I am going to add some scratches on the floor and button it up.  I can't wait for the paint job!


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   06-17-2009, 9:06 PM
wbill76


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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP
Welds look good from here Edmund, you're a brave man than I with your particular approach to creating them! Laugh [(-D]
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   06-17-2009, 10:01 PM
Schnobs


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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP

 wbill76 wrote:
Welds look good from here Edmund, you're a brave man than I with your particular approach to creating them! Laugh [(-D]

LOL!  Thanks Bill I know how to fill a seam and make a weld with Milliput but I didn't know how to create one from scratch and I thought about sanding down the corners and creating one from scratch but Andy's WIP and other posts I read described this other method so I tried on a couple scratch pieces and like a lot of this so far just jumped off the cliff!


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   06-17-2009, 10:06 PM
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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP

Edmund,

This is really coming along nicely, I shot you an email and am living vicariously through this build for about a week.

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   06-17-2009, 10:16 PM
Schnobs


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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP
 Citadelgrad87 wrote:

Edmund,

This is really coming along nicely, I shot you an email and am living vicariously through this build for about a week.

I saw that good luck on your remodel Bill!  I am going to get as far as I can today and try to paint it tomorrow but I might get one coat on tonight.  It is unreal how tiny this vehicle is!  Masking is going to be a fun excercise in mediation.  I am going to use Silly Putty again as a mask.  I am almost ready for free handing camo but not on something this small.


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   06-17-2009, 11:39 PM
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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP
looking good from where I am concerned!



Very nice as always, Jim

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   06-18-2009, 12:07 AM
agentg


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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP

I like it!

It's really cool seeing two different takes on the same kit.


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   06-18-2009, 12:10 AM
Schnobs


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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP

Thanks for rooting me on as usual Jim it is appreciated!

Build Update:

38H Assembly Time: 12 Hours

Painting and Weathering Time: 4.30 Hours

Aggregate Build Time:  16.5 Hours

I continued to plug away today and finished the interior as posted earlier and glued the upper and lower hull together.  I had some fit issues big suprize so I had to sand down the tabs and fill in the tab holes on the fenders with Milliput.  There is a little gap at the bottom rear sides but I am just goiing to have to live with it.  A DML Smart Kit this is not but I like the little SOB! Big Smile [:D]

After careful consideration on how to go about paintiing my first tri-tone cammo.  I decided to use Silly Putty as a mask and to run the camo pattern down on the road wheels and lower hull. 

Here are the colors I am goign to use:

I applied two light coats of 80\20 Olive Green and Buff.  I will apply the Silly Puty and Red Brown Tomorrow.  I am goign to bed!


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   06-18-2009, 12:16 AM
Schnobs


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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP
 agentg wrote:

I like it!

It's really cool seeing two different takes on the same kit.

Thanks Wayne! Yes that was what I was thinking as well. I will have to go a long ways just to get close to the quality of Andy's 38H build.  He nailed it IMHO.


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   06-18-2009, 2:48 AM
Bodge


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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP
Cool and yes the weld seams look great .Thumbs Up [tup]
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   06-18-2009, 12:34 PM
Schnobs


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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP

My search for images and reference pics for this model continue because I am not comfortable with the lack of reference material.  I still feel in the back of my mind that hard edge cammo is factory applied to my best knowledge and road wheels are a FRU so the cammo would be limited to the upper hull and fenders with the exception of the front and rear of the vehicle.

I found an advertisment for the Bronco version of this kit at Luky Model with the paint scheme that I am the most comfortable with that I feel represents reality.

http://www.luckymodel.com/scale.aspx?item_no=BRO CB35003

I will be actioning on this immediately.

 


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   06-18-2009, 1:14 PM
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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP

Edmund,

Factory hard-edge schemes didn't get introduced until late '44. All of the H39 vehicle conversions were done in '42-'43 so very unlikely they would ever be seen in anything other than a field-applied soft-edge scheme. HTH!

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   06-18-2009, 1:23 PM
Schnobs


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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP

Hmmmmm...  So does that mean I cannot use Silly Putty as a masking agent due to the fact that it creates a hard edge or I will be forced to free hand the scheme with my AB?  I am not sure how I would paint a field applied soft-edge scheme?

Thanks as always Bill for the informed commentary!


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   06-18-2009, 1:26 PM
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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP

Edmund,

The pattern is pretty large patches, you should be able to free hand that with the AB without too much effort IMHO. If you want to stay with the silly putty approach you can always use the AB to "feather" the edges and clean up any overspray. You've got to try it sometime! Wink [;)]

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   06-18-2009, 2:41 PM
Schnobs


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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP
 wbill76 wrote:

Edmund,

The pattern is pretty large patches, you should be able to free hand that with the AB without too much effort IMHO. If you want to stay with the silly putty approach you can always use the AB to "feather" the edges and clean up any overspray. You've got to try it sometime! Wink [;)]

LOL! Thanks for the vote of confidence, but there is nothing large about this vehicle.  I willl action on the second option because I want my first "free hand" experience to be on a larger vehicle.  I have a Tiger1 slotted for that experience.  I have also read about guys using blue tack with little balls of blue tac underneath the blue tac to "soften" the edge. I do not think Silly Putty would work in that application because of how soft it is.  If I used the blue tac with small balls underneath it I would be able to have my cake and digest it as well!


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