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Started by Citadelgrad87 at 06-18-2009 3:25 PM. Topic has 206 replies.
 
 
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06-18-2009, 3:25 PM
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Citadelgrad87

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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP
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Kitchen drywall flunky at your service! My advice: Jump in! Grab some paper and practice getting a pattern, crank down the pressure and get really close, then go for it. Really, based on your abilities I see on the other aspects of your builds, you CAN do this.
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06-18-2009, 4:21 PM
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Schnobs

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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP
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Citadelgrad87 wrote: | | Kitchen drywall flunky at your service! My advice: Jump in! Grab some paper and practice getting a pattern, crank down the pressure and get really close, then go for it. Really, based on your abilities I see on the other aspects of your builds, you CAN do this. |
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Hi Drywall Flunky! How is that going BTW? Alright if Bill agrees to do a figure with his #100 I will freehand the camo pattern on this one! How is that Mr. Plunk I will stretch myself if you will!
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance. That principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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06-18-2009, 4:26 PM
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Citadelgrad87

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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP
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Schnobs wrote: | Citadelgrad87 wrote: | | Kitchen drywall flunky at your service! My advice: Jump in! Grab some paper and practice getting a pattern, crank down the pressure and get really close, then go for it. Really, based on your abilities I see on the other aspects of your builds, you CAN do this. |
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Hi Drywall Flunky! How is that going BTW? Alright if Bill agrees to do a figure with his #100 I will freehand the camo pattern on this one! How is that Mr. Plunk I will stretch myself if you will! |
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If my drywall seams come out half as good as those on this vehicle, I will be happy. Although the wife is not too keen on the "HOTCHKISS" nameplate on the kitchen ceiling!
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06-18-2009, 4:50 PM
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Schnobs

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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP
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Citadelgrad87 wrote: | Schnobs wrote: | Citadelgrad87 wrote: | | Kitchen drywall flunky at your service! My advice: Jump in! Grab some paper and practice getting a pattern, crank down the pressure and get really close, then go for it. Really, based on your abilities I see on the other aspects of your builds, you CAN do this. |
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Hi Drywall Flunky! How is that going BTW? Alright if Bill agrees to do a figure with his #100 I will freehand the camo pattern on this one! How is that Mr. Plunk I will stretch myself if you will! |
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If my drywall seams come out half as good as those on this vehicle, I will be happy. Although the wife is not too keen on the "HOTCHKISS" nameplate on the kitchen ceiling! |
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Drywall seams are definately their own skillset. I had to redo quite a few of them as a kid to get my Dad to approve them. My Dad was in construction and in North Dakota if you want to spend time with your German Dad you go to work with him. I was framing houses at 5 with a block and tackle system my dad made for me to hold up my end!
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance. That principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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06-18-2009, 5:07 PM
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Bodge

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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP
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Ive seen hard edge 38h ,s in some books in Normandy thats why i done mine like that although they were not this variant so if you want hard edge then go for it although i do think it would be field applied by the crew.
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06-18-2009, 5:19 PM
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Schnobs

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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP
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Bodge wrote: | | Ive seen hard edge 38h ,s in some books in Normandy thats why i done mine like that although they were not this variant so if you want hard edge then go for it although i do think it would be field applied by the crew. |
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Thanks for the info Andy! Did you check out the link for the Bronco kit? I shudder at the thought of putting indy links on this one. Oh BTW how in H.E. Double Hockey Sticks would crew field apply a hard edge paint scheme? A template of some sort I would assume.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance. That principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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06-18-2009, 6:32 PM
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Citadelgrad87

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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP
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Schnobs wrote: | Bodge wrote: | | Ive seen hard edge 38h ,s in some books in Normandy thats why i done mine like that although they were not this variant so if you want hard edge then go for it although i do think it would be field applied by the crew. |
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Thanks for the info Andy! Did you check out the link for the Bronco kit? I shudder at the thought of putting indy links on this one. Oh BTW how in H.E. Double Hockey Sticks would crew field apply a hard edge paint scheme? A template of some sort I would assume. |
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Couldn't they just brush it on?![Tongue [:P]](/emoticons/icon_smile_tongue.gif)
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06-18-2009, 6:38 PM
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Schnobs

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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP
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Citadelgrad87 wrote: | Schnobs wrote: | Bodge wrote: | | Ive seen hard edge 38h ,s in some books in Normandy thats why i done mine like that although they were not this variant so if you want hard edge then go for it although i do think it would be field applied by the crew. |
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Thanks for the info Andy! Did you check out the link for the Bronco kit? I shudder at the thought of putting indy links on this one. Oh BTW how in H.E. Double Hockey Sticks would crew field apply a hard edge paint scheme? A template of some sort I would assume. |
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Couldn't they just brush it on?![Tongue [:P]](/emoticons/icon_smile_tongue.gif) |
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I think I might go back to weight lifting as a Hobby and blowing stuff up on the Xbox! Not on your life! LET'S DO THIS!!!
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance. That principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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06-18-2009, 8:34 PM
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redleg12

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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP
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Schnobs wrote: | | Hmmmmm... So does that mean I cannot use Silly Putty as a masking agent due to the fact that it creates a hard edge or I will be forced to free hand the scheme with my AB? I am not sure how I would paint a field applied soft-edge scheme? Thanks as always Bill for the informed commentary! |
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Not exactly....If you are afraid of the freehand, the way to do it with SP is to apply it like a rolled snake but do not press it down. The rolled edge will leave some space on the underside of the SP. When you spray, you need to be perpendicular to the putty. Some over spray will get under and give you a softer edge. It is not as good as freehand but better than pure hard edge. Try it on a test and see if you like it!! Rounds Complete!!
"The Moral High Ground....A Great Place to Emplace Artillery."
My Artillery Collection for your Review: http://s177.photobucket.com/albums/w226/redleg12/redleg12%20collection/
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06-19-2009, 12:52 AM
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Schnobs

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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP
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Thanks Mike for the mini soft-edge tutorial. I practiced and tried it out tonight. I want to also make sure that everyone knows that I appreciate all comments on my work and I like both the historical accuracy and the artistic expression that is so much a part of this experience and community. I hope that you know I was only teasing you Mr. Bill. I respect both you and your work very much! That being said let's pull the curtain back on my first kind of soft edge Tritone cammo! Build Update: 38H Assembly Time: 12 Hours Painting and Weathering Time: 7 Hours Aggregate Build Time: 19 Hours I tried out the soft edge method Mike suggested and I had mixed results because it is hot in the garage tonight and I had to keep putting the entire model int he freezer every 10 minutes or so so the SP would not run. I have a few spots to fix and feather but overall I like how it turned out and what was in my mind. On Andy's WIP someone mentioned it looking like a tracked Humvee. OOOOHHRAAWW!!
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance. That principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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06-19-2009, 4:05 AM
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Bodge

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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP
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The crew could do hard edge paint sceme quite simply with a brush of course![Whistling [:-^]](/emoticons/icon_smile_whistling.gif) Lookin good mate , ive yet to try the blue tack technique as i allways freehand my hard edge.
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06-19-2009, 4:33 AM
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Schnobs

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Bodge wrote: | | The crew could do hard edge paint sceme quite simply with a brush of course![Whistling [:-^]](/emoticons/icon_smile_whistling.gif) Lookin good mate , ive yet to try the blue tack technique as i allways freehand my hard edge. |
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Thanks Andy, but I could not leave well enough alone. I thought to myself why am I afraid of doing this freehand I paint small detailed parts with my AB all the time? I guess I had a mental block or something so using the scheme that I had already masked and painted I repainted the whole thing free hand. There are a few imperfections in it as compared to the SP method but it actually enhances the realism. Let me know what you think. Build Update: 38H Assembly Time: 12 Hours Painting and Weathering Time: 9 Hours Aggregate Build Time: 21 Hours
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance. That principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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06-19-2009, 6:19 AM
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redleg12

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Looking great. As I said the SP roll is not as good as free hand. Having the SP first coat helped I'm sure but as you can see, the free hand, IMHO, looks better. SP and heat don't mix!! Good Stuff Rounds Complete!!
"The Moral High Ground....A Great Place to Emplace Artillery."
My Artillery Collection for your Review: http://s177.photobucket.com/albums/w226/redleg12/redleg12%20collection/
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06-19-2009, 6:31 AM
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Schnobs, Nice camo, both the SP method and free hand looked nice. Must say though the free hand seems more realistic. Have not used SP before, how is the clean up and how many uses can you get from it? -Stephen![Cowboy [C):-)]](/emoticons/icon_smile_cowboy.gif)
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06-19-2009, 9:04 AM
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Schnobs

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redleg12 wrote: | | Looking great. As I said the SP roll is not as good as free hand. Having the SP first coat helped I'm sure but as you can see, the free hand, IMHO, looks better. SP and heat don't mix!! Good Stuff Rounds Complete!! |
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Thanks Mike for the suggestion and the first time free handing cammo was easier because of the first SP coat for sure. It was a great way to get my feet wet. I cranked the Air pressure down to 10 psi but I am thinking it could of been set higher. Yes I agree the free hand method looks more natural and it should tone down really nice with weathering. I never even saw an Air Brush in person until i bough this one in December. I feel more comfortable with it and sometimes it feels like a magic wand and other times a club! Thanks again for the forward assit Sir!
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06-19-2009, 9:08 AM
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Schnobs

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NucMedTech wrote: | | Schnobs, Nice camo, both the SP method and free hand looked nice. Must say though the free hand seems more realistic. Have not used SP before, how is the clean up and how many uses can you get from it? -Stephen![Cowboy [C):-)]](/emoticons/icon_smile_cowboy.gif) |
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Thanks Stephen and in person the difference between the two methods is very obvious. I set the entire model in the freezer for about 5-10 minutes between each coat and if you peel it right off while it is still cold it comes off easy. If anything sticks just use another peiece of SP on the stuck piece and it will come right up. Cold tends to make it more manageable. I plan to keep this batch because it seemed more useable than my last build. I will let you know how long it lasts.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance. That principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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06-19-2009, 12:47 PM
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Schnobs

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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP
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stick man wrote: | | Looks good! I do all my camo free hand because the idea of puting the stiky silly putty all over my build scares me LOL. ![Smile [:)]](/emoticons/icon_smile.gif) |
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Thanks Orion I will get better. Actually Karl's SP tutorial was pretty helpful and removed any anxiety about the process. http://cs.finescale.com/forums/855159/ShowPost.aspx
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06-19-2009, 2:23 PM
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Schnobs

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wbill76 wrote: | | Looks good Edmund! Doing camo free-hand sounds scary at first but isn't all that bad. And no worries about the teasing for the figures (won't happen)! Depending on how you feel about the overspray onto the non-DY patches, you can fine-tune that a little bit or incorporate that into the weathering, whichever works for you. |
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For the record I was not scared just extremely concerned! ![Confused [%-)]](/emoticons/icon_smile_perplexed.gif) I did touch up the DY overspray since the last pics. Great to hear you were not offended due to the fact that email and text is often the poorest form of communciation Q for you Sir. Am I in the ballpark for close detail work with A Badger 100LG with a medium tip running at 10 PSI for free hand cammo? I normally spray at 18-20 PSI.
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