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Started by skypirate1 at 02-21-2007 11:06 PM. Topic has 468 replies.
  
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 02-22-2007, 11:39 AM
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sharkbait
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02-23-2007, 12:58 AM
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skypirate1
 
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Revell UH-1H Gunship mystery solved. During the main helicopter scene in Apocalypse Now there is a UH-1H armed with M6 quads and 7 tube rocket pods, oh and a couple of surfboards just incase, I love the smell of historically accurate films in the morning. Andy
While the rest of the crew may be in the same predicament, it's almost always the pilot's job to arrive at the crash site first.
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02-23-2007, 7:07 AM
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HeavyArty
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 skypirate1 wrote: | | Revell UH-1H Gunship mystery solved. During the main helicopter scene in Apocalypse Now there is a UH-1H armed with M6 quads and 7 tube rocket pods, oh and a couple of surfboards just incase, I love the smell of historically accurate films in the morning. Andy |
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Yeah. Good idea to follow Hollywood. They are always a great references for accuracy.
Gino P. Quintiliani Field Artillery --- The KING of BATTLE!!! "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -- George Orwell HeavyArty's ShowcaseHeavyArty's Showcase II
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02-23-2007, 7:47 AM
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rotorwash
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I have examined as many of the helicopter scenes in Vietnam movies as I could find and the ONLY one that seems to accurately depict Huey gunships is the Green Berets with John Wayne. My father remembers John Wayne coming to Ft. Benning in '67 to film the movie and he even took time to talk to the guys who were actually going to war. There is a scene at the end where you can see a whole flightline of B/C model gunships (can't recall at this very minute) and they look authenitic because they were actual Army birds ready for combat! There are some gross innaccuracies elsewhere in the film, however, and the terrain of Vietnam looks suspiciously like Southern California and Georgia. The scene where the chopper goes down is also hokey. They needed one of you guys to make the models. Anyway, has anyone seen this movie more recently than I and can comment on the helicopters? Ray PS: I know We Were Soldiers did a pretty good job as well, but I don't think the XM-21 system saw action in Ia Drang in '65.
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02-23-2007, 8:09 AM
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richgb
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Hi Guys, Just been reading through this thread and found it facinating, not just from a modellers persprctive but from a historical one as well. It's great that forums like this can keep history alive and teach us "kids" (I'm 41) about the past and how it was lived (and fought). Thanks to all you fellas who were over there for reciting your tales, anecdotes and knowledge on this subject. Rich
...this is it folks...over the top!
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02-23-2007, 5:04 PM
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shaun68
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Hey all I've just spent the last 20 odd mins reading through this thread - excellent stuff. For what it's worth, this topic generates a similar level of interest on our aussiemodeller forum here in Oz. Speaking of modelling gunships accurately, I would think the reason us Aussies haven't done many full-on Bushrangers properly yet, is because there are still many RAAF 9 Sqdn guys around - they are held in fairly high regard & I guess we want to do the bird, & them, justice. Sagami mounts - I'm not certain, but I think our AAAvn Blackhawks use a similar mount for the previous M-60's & now MAG58's. Can anyone verify that - Gino perhaps?
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02-23-2007, 5:20 PM
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HeavyArty
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| Sagami mounts - I'm not certain, but I think our AAAvn Blackhawks use a similar mount for the previous M-60's & now MAG58's. Can anyone verify that - Gino perhaps? |
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Shaun, I don't know about Aussie Blackhawks, but I haven't seen any Sagami-type mounts on US Blackhawks. I would assume that you use the same M144 mount we use on our hawks with M60s and M240B (US nomenclature for the MAG58). You can see the standard US M144 mount below. Here is a Sagami mount on an early D model.
Gino P. Quintiliani Field Artillery --- The KING of BATTLE!!! "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -- George Orwell HeavyArty's ShowcaseHeavyArty's Showcase II
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02-23-2007, 5:53 PM
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shaun68
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Yep that's it. Thanks Gino. I didn't have my refs handy to draw on.![Black Eye [B)]](/emoticons/icon_smile_blackeye.gif) On the subject of books & Hueys & VietNam: If anyone hasn't read it, get a hold of "Chickenhawk" by Robert Mason. A very good read.
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02-23-2007, 6:35 PM
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skypirate1
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Shaun68 I agree chickenhawk is a good read but check out this link, it may shock you, as it did me, its from 1/9th Air Cav website. http://www.9thcav.com/Trashing%20A%20Troop.htm Andy
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02-23-2007, 7:53 PM
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shaun68
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Well, well. I....don't really know what to say. And yet when you click on the recommended reading link at the bottom of the page, there's the book.![Confused [%-)]](/emoticons/icon_smile_perplexed.gif)
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02-23-2007, 8:08 PM
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HeavyArty
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Don't always believe what you read on the net. Anyone can put up a website to further their B.S. agenda. From all the Vietnam helo vets I have talked to, his book was right on and he was a highly decorated pilot. No telling who the author of the webpage is, but it is most likely someone who had an axe to grind over the book or with the author. The website is not an official 1/9 CAV webpage, but a personal page of a guy who was supposedly in 1/9 CAV. Who knows.
Gino P. Quintiliani Field Artillery --- The KING of BATTLE!!! "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -- George Orwell HeavyArty's ShowcaseHeavyArty's Showcase II |
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02-23-2007, 10:35 PM
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rotorwash
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I have the Chickenhawk book, but haven't read it. I'll be honest, it lacks pictures and that is what I am after these days. Good, solid documentation that is irrefutable (unless somebody photoshopped it!). That is why I have started putting links to photos in my posts. Thanks for posting the Sagami mount photo, Gino. Speaking of said mount, I understand that this mount was never a Government Issued system, but was adapted in the field. I would be very suprised to see any modern aircraft with the identical system on active duty today. Ray
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02-24-2007, 2:43 AM
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richgb
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Ray, Here are the pics that should ahve been in the book but were included in more uptodate publications. http://www.robertcmason.com/ Once you start reading it you wont be able to put it down. I've read it three times now, each time in about 3-4 days, which is fast for me. Enjoy, Rich
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02-25-2007, 2:57 PM
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skypirate1
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| HeavyArty wrote: | | Don't always believe what you read on the net. Anyone can put up a website to further their B.S. agenda. From all the Vietnam helo vets I have talked to, his book was right on and he was a highly decorated pilot. No telling who the author of the webpage is, but it is most likely someone who had an axe to grind over the book or with the author. The website is not an official 1/9 CAV webpage, but a personal page of a guy who was supposedly in 1/9 CAV. Who knows. |
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I hope so Gino, it would be terrible if the guy had ripped off actions of other pilots, the only thing is the web page is linked from a site that deals with all the individual air cav squadrons, that link is for 1/9 A Troop. In his photo page there are lots of pictures donated from other members of Alpha troop and surely they wouldnt contribute to his site if they had a problem with his comments. But then if what he says is true im surprised other members of Alpha troop havn't spoken out, Plus the pictures in the link to the chickenhawk webpage that Rich provided, mostly show helicopters from Bravo troop so like you said "who knows" All i can say for sure is it is a very good book and hard to put down and is essential reading for anyone interested in Vietnam and huey helicopters. Ray .. If you do get round to reading a book about Vietnam without pictures, make sure its this one ![Wink [;)]](/emoticons/icon_smile_wink.gif) p.s. go to this page for a couple of good pictures of sagami mounts mate. http://www.vhpamuseum.org/companies/118ahc/118ahc.shtml Its the same site that has links to all the Air Cav and other helicopter company pages. Andy
While the rest of the crew may be in the same predicament, it's almost always the pilot's job to arrive at the crash site first.
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02-26-2007, 11:46 AM
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rotorwash
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Andy, I didn't realize quite how dumb it sounded to "only red books with pictures" till I saw your post. I am interested in other facets of the war, it's just that as a modeler and scientist, I tend to trust photos or even better, things that I can go up to and touch and look at for myself, more than words. The old addage that a "photo is worth a thousand words" is so true when it comes to model building. I'll have to get "Chickenhawk" from my dad and give it a go. I remember reading some of it a long time ago, maybe I have matured more since then! Ray
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02-27-2007, 9:03 AM
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SnakeDoctor
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Here is a site of the unit I was in that has some pictures of the different configurations. www.118ahc.org Also try 145th Avn Brigade, of course 1st Cav div . 227th and 229h AHC from the 1st Cav should have websites. Would be glad to help you with any info. Ed
"Whether you think you can or can't, your're right". Henry Ford
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02-27-2007, 10:10 AM
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rotorwash
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Ed, Thanks for the link and thanks for your service. My father was at Ben Hoa with the 190th from 68-69. I have wanted to see Bandit 3 ever since I saw the restored aircraft in the Wayne Mutza Huey Gunships book. Man, she looks nice! Ray
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02-27-2007, 10:28 AM
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