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Started by Daywalker at 05-27-2007 10:46 PM. Topic has 1882 replies.
 
 
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05-28-2007, 3:56 AM
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triumf

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Re: WWI GB idea 10/1/2007 'till 10/1/2008
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Hiya mates Mike, good to have you back and really swell that you had a joyous time at the modelshop![Big Smile [:D]](/emoticons/icon_smile_big.gif) Also a little update on my little project, the kit is a Pfalz as I thought, actually a Pfalz DIII, of Eduards making. Got it quite cheap as well,NKr 198 for the combo(double)kit,with a shitload of decalversions(7 I think) and an amazing bundle of etchings on top of the paintmasks![Sign - Oops [#oops]](/emoticons/icon_smile_sign_oops.gif) A real bargin, as modelkits in good ole Norway tends to be real expensive.NKr 198 will say in the neighbourhood of £16.![Whistling [:-^]](/emoticons/icon_smile_whistling.gif) Will have to say that I`m quite intimidated by all those tiny etched parts thoug, but dare nought win nought, so thumbs up for myself,and patience `till I`m done with my other projects,namely the spitfire GB![Cool [8D]](/emoticons/icon_smile_cool.gif)
life begins at 200 On the bench: RAF Ventura Tomcat 1\32 for my son 
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05-28-2007, 6:39 AM
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taxtp
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Re: WWI GB idea 10/1/2007 'till 10/1/2008
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Hi Everyone, I started a Falcon vacform 1/32 Fokker DVIII back in Easter 1988 (yep, that's right). I put it down and come back to it every few years. Maybe this will help me get it into the air, so to speak. I know, I know, there's an injection molded one now, but I can't chuck it away. Will that get me in. I can guarantee I won't finish it before the GB commences. Cheers Tony
Tony Mollica (Melbourne, Australia) 
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05-28-2007, 6:46 AM
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Daywalker

Joined on 09-08-2003
South Central Wisconsin
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Re: WWI GB idea 10/1/2007 'till 10/1/2008
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Tony- Yep, that oughta get you in! I put you down on the list! ![Sign - Welcome [#welcome]](/emoticons/icon_smile_sign_welcome.gif)
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05-29-2007, 8:00 AM
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bobbaily

Joined on 11-07-2003
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Re: WWI GB idea 10/1/2007 'till 10/1/2008
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Question for the resident experts-I'm researching kits and I'm thinking that a Fokker D.VII might be a better option, i.e., less rigging. My two choices there are the Roden kit (much cheaper $ wise) and the Eduard kit (includes p.e. belts & ip, masks,etc). Which is the better build? Thanks
bob
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05-29-2007, 9:58 AM
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ruddratt

Joined on 02-22-2006
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Dave, triumf, feels great to be back! Bob, I've yet to build a Roden D.VII, but here's a review.... http://kits.kitreview.com/roden415reviewrb_1.htm I have built an Eduard D.VII, so I'll do my best to compare the two based on what I've read and what I've actually done. There is no major cleanup of parts required on the Eduard kit except for the usual mold lines present on every model. These are small on the Eduard kit and easily dealt with. The upper and lower wing halves fit great, so when cleaning up the seams after gluing there is no loss of the scalloping on the trailing edges. The Eduard cockpit appears to be more comprehensive than the Roden kit, but not by much...the Roden cockpit still looks real nice. Here it's the PE that makes the difference and gives the edge to Eduard. I know for a fact that with careful alignment, the struts on the Eduard kit require no trimming to properly mount the upper wing. Eduard does not give you the option of building it with the engine completely exposed...kind of a shame, because the engine is gorgeous! Roden does not appear to supply you with lozenge for the inner cockpit walls and rear cockpit bulkheads like the Eduard kit does. That was a real nice touch on Eduard's part. The guns with the Roden kit look a lot nicer than the Eduard ones, until you add all that PE...then the Eduard guns kick butt! Both kits give you separate ailerons for the upper wing and elevator/rudder for the tail surfaces (I really like that!).....just be careful how you position the stick and rudder pedals if you show these in anything but a neutral position. The wing rib detail is more pronounced on the Eduard kit (Roden's is more to scale and probably more accurate), but once the lozenge is applied, the locations for all those rib tapes will be easier to see on the Eduard kit, and the rib detail will also look less conspicuous and more to scale at that point. The main gear assembly on the Eduard kit is tricky....4 individual struts that have to be lined up at the same time and mounted to both the lower fuselage/wing and the axle, so you're basically dealing with eight attachment points at once. It takes a little fiddling, but everything lines up properly. The Roden kit might be easier there, but the Eduard kit will look more accurate. I can't vouch for Roden's decals having never actually tried them, but the Eduard decals went on without a problem, and I like the fact that their lozenge decals/rib tapes are pre-cut to the shapes/lengths you need and require little trimming. Plus, you get both 4-color and 5-color lozenge. Both kits give you options for 4 aircraft, but Eduards are far more comprehensive, and the full-color instructions are very nicely printed. One more note on the Eduard cockpit...aligning each part individually (gluing it to one fuselage half and taping the halves together with the part aligned) and giving it a little time to set up before moving on to the next one will assure you of a near-perfect fit of all major cockpit components between both fuselage halves. The Eduard kit, with a little patience, pretty much just falls together. It's about as close to a 'shake & bake' as one can get for a WWI biplane. Now, I know I haven't covered everything, but if you have any specific questions about the Eduard kit, I'll be more than happy to answer them the best I can. ![Thumbs Up [tup]](/emoticons/icon_smile_thumbsup.gif)
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05-29-2007, 11:33 AM
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bobbaily

Joined on 11-07-2003
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Thanks Mike-your review has been helpful. It may come down to how much is in the modeling budget when the order is placed! ![Whistling [:-^]](/emoticons/icon_smile_whistling.gif) On a different note, I've been reading reviews of the Eduard Albatros also-the rigging concerns me. However, I've noticed that several builders have used .006" (I think) stainless steel wire. Does this take some/most/all of the pain out of the rigging process?
bob
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05-29-2007, 11:42 AM
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ruddratt

Joined on 02-22-2006
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Happy to help, Bob! ![Thumbs Up [tup]](/emoticons/icon_smile_thumbsup.gif) There is quite a bit more rigging on the Albatros than on the D.VII, but rigging is always tedious, no matter how much or how little. The tricky part is working around existing rigging to install more. Here is where careful planning is needed....always work from the inside, out. I use .007" stainless steel wire I purchased from smallparts, Inc.. I just measure the length with a set of calipers, cut is slightly oversize, then test fit and trim until it fits straight. All this is done with the holes already pre-drilled with a #80 bit. There is also a material called EZ-line. I've used this as well, and the kit prep (pre-drilling the holes) is the same as it is for using stainless steel wire, so it's possible to switch mediums mid-stream if you wish. Here's the link....... http://www.bobeshobbyhouse.com/ezl.html
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05-29-2007, 12:32 PM
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bobbaily

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Mike-again, thanks. That link will come in handy, I'm sure. Albatros or Fokker....choices, choices...
bob
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05-29-2007, 1:38 PM
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waikong

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Great to see all this interest in this GB. Marc, great looking badge. Ruddratt, I'm very interested in the ezline, can you tell us a little bit more about the stuff?
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05-29-2007, 4:22 PM
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wing_nut

Joined on 04-13-2005
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Welcome back Mike... I thought it was little quiet around here. 6 hours in a hobby shop???? That must be some place. Wish I knew about when I was there for a conferece 2 years ago. And for the "nubes" ... if you tried to get the badge from my post near the front of this thread, I accidentaly deted it from Photobucket. It's back up now and I will stick down here too.
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05-29-2007, 4:56 PM
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TANGO 1

Joined on 12-14-2002
A secret workshop somewhere in England
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Hey Everyone-I'm back! (There goes the neighbourhood!)![Big Smile [:D]](/emoticons/icon_smile_big.gif) Looks like we have a really good croud here. Well, I have just been through my stash and found my Neiuport 17. Its the 1/32 academy kit and I'll be building it OOB. I've only built one other biplane and it was not too clever, so this GB will be a real learning curve for me.![Blush [:I]](/emoticons/icon_smile_blush.gif) I'll see if I can take some pics of my last one for you fella's to laugh/look at..![Wink [;)]](/emoticons/icon_smile_wink.gif) ![Big Smile [:D]](/emoticons/icon_smile_big.gif)
Regards, Darren. C.A.G. FAA/USNFAW GB 
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05-30-2007, 8:23 AM
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TANGO 1

Joined on 12-14-2002
A secret workshop somewhere in England
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Mike, Frank, thanks lads! I'll be asking lots of advice when I start this one as I am hopeless at rigging. ![Clown [:o)]](/emoticons/icon_smile_clown.gif) ![Confused [%-)]](/emoticons/icon_smile_perplexed.gif) So, just to entertain the troops.....here's one I made earlier. Waaaay earlier! This is the 1/28 Revell kit of Manfred von Richthoven's Fokker DR.1. I built this one about 8 years ago, needless to say its nothing amazing but I keep it on the shelf as I still like it. BTW, the kit itself is not that easy as I remember, the wings were a real pain to fit. As for the rigging......well, I know better these days!![Blush [:I]](/emoticons/icon_smile_blush.gif) ![Big Smile [:D]](/emoticons/icon_smile_big.gif)
Regards, Darren. C.A.G. FAA/USNFAW GB 
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