Since I put my StuG IV on the IMS3 list, I'll join here with the Panzerkampfwagen IV Ausf H, Tamiya 1/35. If my StuG isn't choosen, then perhaps I can add it here if I'm done with this one.

Cheers,

Azgaron

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bufflehead wrote:

Bish wrote: dupes your a very nasty man. I hate you  bbrowniii wrote: Dupes, I, too, hate you.... ....  you BAST*&D!!  SMJmodeler wrote: dupes: (using my best Pakistanii accent from Babbu in Seinfeld) "You are a bad man dupes...a VERY bad man!"...    bbrowniii wrote: Did I mention that I hate you, by the way...?  sidure wrote: Hey Dupes, put me in the catogary of ''I hate you''.   bbrowniii wrote: dupes,   ERRR!!!  I HATE YOU!!! )   Never have I seen so much emotion generated by a single Group Build! ...........and I just spent the most amount of money EVER on a model kit............ I too HATE YOU Brother dupes!!!!!   But in a very postive way!! BTW, Boyd REALLY, REALLY hates you!!

Oops, did i start something here, well serves you bloody right

You know we all love you really.

And don't worry, my 251 is the very first thing on my to do list when i get back. And seeing as i have to spend a few days in camp before i get to go home, that means it will even come before the other half. See, at least i have my prioritys right.

And seeing as this is going to go on for all of 09, you can also put me down for the Italeri 1/35 Ostwind. Thats the only other Pz IV i have that no one else is doing.

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Activity galore...let me see if I can address everybody here.

Moose, stickman - let me know what you guys decide to go with. Again, it's cool if we're able to get one of everything, but I have a feeling there will be some duplication. No biggie. 

Warhammer - a K would be fine...if you can show me that there was ever such a thing as a K. It certainly didn't go into production, and I'm unable to find any modifications that have been labelled as a "K", but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Azgaron, Thunderbolt, Tigerman - you guys are added. Welcome to the club! 

Bish - put you down for a second build, an Italeri Ostwind. Is that kit still available anywhere, or is it OOP? I NEEEEED to get one! Very surprised that Tamiya has never released one...all they have to do is make a new turret.

Boyd -  of course I need to find some way of making an A - you know I'm going to build one of each of them! (major project number 3...heh) Looks like that D cupola is close, but not quite. Not saying it couldn't be used as a basis for an A cupola, but that early one is considerably different. Saw that Betreiboffanhanger variant built up at the Dragon booth at Nationals (no paint) as a pre-release, looks VERY sweet!

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Coffee, hot sauce, cycling, GB's. Coffee, hot sauce, cycling, GB's...

Dupes,

I've seen three of the Italeri Ostwinds, new boxing (the blue bordered one) over the past week at one of my LHSs...  But I got the Wirbelwind at a good deal, so I went with that one.  I "may" still add another for the GB, to see if we can in fact reach 1000 ROADWHEELS!

dupes wrote:

Warhammer - a K would be fine...if you can show me that there was ever such a thing as a K. It certainly didn't go into production, and I'm unable to find any modifications that have been labelled as a "K", but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

dupes,

I am running into a brick wall here. I have been unable to find anything else that even mentions a K. None of my references have anything about it. I doubt if it ever happened. I am trying to find more, like if there was a one off, but I doubt I will find anything more.

Edit- Well, I just became a member of the Achtung Panzer forums. Maybe I will be able to find something out there.

dupes wrote:

Bish - put you down for a second build, an Italeri Ostwind. Is that kit still available anywhere, or is it OOP? I NEEEEED to get one! Very surprised that Tamiya has never released one...all they have to do is make a new turret.

It's one of the kits i have had for years, like the Kugelblitz, which i beleve has just been re-realesed. A Tamiya one would be good. I believe the Italeri one is not the production version but one that was shown to Hitler, a sort of demo model, though i have no idea what the difference is.

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WarHammer25 wrote:

Does anyone know if and when the new Dragon Pz. IV Ausf D mit 7.5cm L/43 is available and where? If I can find it, I might build it as well. It is about midway down: http://www.dragon-models.com/Committed_to_the_Modeler/Committed_to_the_Modeler.htm

I have seen them occasionally on ebay.

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Eric
"It is well that war is so terrible, lest we grow too fond of it."-R.E.Lee

Well, according to a member of the Armchair General forums (that is were the Achtung Panzer forums are) that is from Germany, the Ausf K wasn't even a paper-project. Just something someone at Krupp thought up. Here is what he has to say:

"It's fantasy, not even a paper project. However there was a Pz.Kpfw. IV project with sloped armor. The original concept for the Ausf. H, discussed between December 1942 und February 1943, had a 50mm sloped glacis plate, 80mm hull, 20mm forward belly plate, 45mm sloped sites, 45mm turret rear, reinforced roof, wider tracks, and triple or steel-tired roadwheels. In February 1943 nearly all of the planed new features where dropped, as the projected tank had reached a weight of over 28 tons and the demanded increase in production numbers didn't allow for such major design changes.

and:

"The Schmalturm auf Pz.Kpfw. IV was a Krupp proposal from November 1944 and was never really seriously considered."

WarHammer25 wrote:

Well, according to a member of the Armchair General forums (that is were the Achtung Panzer forums are) that is from Germany, the Ausf K wasn't even a paper-project. Just something someone at Krupp thought up. Here is what he has to say: "It's fantasy, not even a paper project. However there was a Pz.Kpfw. IV project with sloped armor. The original concept for the Ausf. H, discussed between December 1942 und February 1943, had a 50mm sloped glacis plate, 80mm hull, 20mm forward belly plate, 45mm sloped sites, 45mm turret rear, reinforced roof, wider tracks, and triple or steel-tired roadwheels. In February 1943 nearly all of the planed new features where dropped, as the projected tank had reached a weight of over 28 tons and the demanded increase in production numbers didn't allow for such major design changes. sources: Panzer-Tracts 4 - Panzerkampfwagen IV Panzer-Tracts 20-1 - Paper Panzers" and: "The Schmalturm auf Pz.Kpfw. IV was a Krupp proposal from November 1944 and was never really seriously considered."

I would love to see a concept of the IV with sloped frontal and side armor. The Schmalturm would be a bonus. Can someone make a drawing please???? LOL

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Eric
"It is well that war is so terrible, lest we grow too fond of it."-R.E.Lee

tigerman wrote:

WarHammer25 wrote: Well, according to a member of the Armchair General forums (that is were the Achtung Panzer forums are) that is from Germany, the Ausf K wasn't even a paper-project. Just something someone at Krupp thought up. Here is what he has to say: "It's fantasy, not even a paper project. However there was a Pz.Kpfw. IV project with sloped armor. The original concept for the Ausf. H, discussed between December 1942 und February 1943, had a 50mm sloped glacis plate, 80mm hull, 20mm forward belly plate, 45mm sloped sites, 45mm turret rear, reinforced roof, wider tracks, and triple or steel-tired roadwheels. In February 1943 nearly all of the planed new features where dropped, as the projected tank had reached a weight of over 28 tons and the demanded increase in production numbers didn't allow for such major design changes. sources: Panzer-Tracts 4 - Panzerkampfwagen IV Panzer-Tracts 20-1 - Paper Panzers" and: "The Schmalturm auf Pz.Kpfw. IV was a Krupp proposal from November 1944 and was never really seriously considered." I would love to see a concept of the IV with sloped frontal and side armor. The Schmalturm would be a bonus. Can someone make a drawing please???? LOL

tigerman,

Here is a link I posted earlier. It has a model of both the K, a regular hull with the Schmalturm, and a K with the Schmalturm.

http://henk.fox3000.com/pz4.htm