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Started by squeakie at 12-16-2008 12:47 PM. Topic has 1244 replies.
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   12-16-2008, 12:47 PM
squeakie

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Re: Knights of the Sky II- 1/1/09 to 8/31/09
 StephenLawson wrote:

 squeakie wrote:
Ah, but I sure did in spades! Sunday I grabed a Roden Fokker D.VII (with Udet decales) . . .I'm starting with the Fokker D.VII as it looks easiest.  gary

 You will find that the Udet profile it represents is actually an early Fokker Schwerin machine and there are subtle differences from that to the early OAW type they have portrayed on the cover art.  Also beware the lower wing fit.  Its easy to fix but don't narrow the fuselage halves to do it.  Sand down the lower wing ends next to the fuselage.  Even the lower half.  Be cautious fitting the forward cabane struts.  both of them and the inner face of the cowling panels need to be thinned for the best fit.

I've been searching for data on the DVII all over the place and finally found some good photos of the engine and interior; this now brings into light more questions. Please bare with me.

* were all DVII's shiped in the camo pattern? Reason I asked is that I noticed that the camo pattern bleeds thru to the inside of the cockpit. But I was planning on doing one completely in the camo pattern. I bought some more decales yesterday, and have no idea if they'll fit the bill. But if they don't; I make look for a late DVII if that'd work (local LHS has a Roden late).

* Did all DVII's use the same engine and layout?

thanks in advance

gary 

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   12-16-2008, 1:30 PM
Luftwoller


Joined on 02-25-2007
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Re: Knights of the Sky II- 1/1/09 to 8/31/09

How could i not join another of your GB's Frank. Count me in. Dont know what itll be yet but probably Eduard and probably German. No surprises there. Im off to the Model shop on Thursday. Ill update you then.

...Guy



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   12-16-2008, 3:20 PM
Daywalker


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South Central Wisconsin
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Re: Knights of the Sky II- 1/1/09 to 8/31/09
Glad to have you with us Guy!  I updated the front page for you, lemme know what you pick up at your LHS.  I see the new Eduard 1/48 Fokker E.II/E.III is available now... Wink [;)]

Frank
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   12-16-2008, 9:36 PM
ruddratt


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Re: Knights of the Sky II- 1/1/09 to 8/31/09
Hey buddy! I just checked page one and realized I totally forgot to tell ya what I'm building for this one! Dunce [D)] Put me down for a Roden 1/48 S.E.5a. Thumbs Up [tup]

-Mike (Lt. FAAGB/USNFAWGB) Cool [8D]
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   12-16-2008, 10:30 PM
Daywalker


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Re: Knights of the Sky II- 1/1/09 to 8/31/09
LOL, no worries Mike!  Got your build updated. Thumbs Up [tup]

Frank
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   12-17-2008, 3:20 PM
StephenLawson


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Re: Knights of the Sky II- 1/1/09 to 8/31/09
 StephenLawson wrote:
Frank . . .Sign me up.  I'll try to finish up  what I have now for the 1st GB and see what I have on the shelf for the next few months.

Since things are clicking along on my bench for 2009 I will commit to;

1@ Roden 1/48 Junker D.I (short fuselage)

2@ Roden 1/48 SE 5a Viper powered. (From the original 4@ 1/48 SE 5a kits I began in 2008).

1@ Roden 1/32 SE 5a. (Transplant)

For a start. Then there are the Eduard kits I have on the shelf that need my attention.

 

 


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   12-17-2008, 11:26 PM
Daywalker


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Re: Knights of the Sky II- 1/1/09 to 8/31/09
You got it Stephen!  I added the Junkers and the two SE 5a's to page one for you.  You are a MACHINE!!! Big Smile [:D]

Frank
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   12-18-2008, 6:49 AM
Luftwoller


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Re: Knights of the Sky II- 1/1/09 to 8/31/09

Back from the LHS and looky see what i got. A box stacked to the rafters with goodness. Colour PE, 2 fuselages, and a huge decal bag with lozenges. Woo hoo. Gonna need some help when it comes to applying those decal sheets i reckon. Are they tricky?

...Guy



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   12-18-2008, 7:51 AM
Daywalker


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Re: Knights of the Sky II- 1/1/09 to 8/31/09
Good score Guy!  I updated page one for you. Thumbs Up [tup]

Frank
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   12-18-2008, 10:09 AM
StephenLawson


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Re: Knights of the Sky II- 1/1/09 to 8/31/09
 Luftwoller wrote:
 ". . . Gonna need some help when it comes to applying those decal sheets i reckon. Are they tricky?

...Guy

Here is a bit of fun on this same kit.  Done by some plugger hereabouts.  Its a good kit with only minor fit problems.  The decals are not a problem.

Click Here.


It is a hard world Stachel...unconfirmed by Armee means unconfirmed!!!!
http://www.wwi-n-plastic.com WWI aviation kit reviews
http://aeroscale.kitmaker.net/ see Early Aviation forum.
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   12-20-2008, 4:00 PM
Mobious


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Re: Knights of the Sky II- 1/1/09 to 8/31/09

 Daywalker,

 Mind if I join? I promise not to post too many pics! Only pics of a completed build.

 Mobious


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   12-20-2008, 4:08 PM
Daywalker


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Re: Knights of the Sky II- 1/1/09 to 8/31/09
 Mobious wrote:

 Daywalker,

 Mind if I join? I promise not to post too many pics! Only pics of a completed build.

 Mobious

Mind if you join?  Not at all!  In fact, we're glad to have you.  I added you to page one.  When you decide on your build, let me know and I'll add it to the list. Thumbs Up [tup]


Frank
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   12-21-2008, 9:31 AM
ludwig113


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Re: Knights of the Sky II- 1/1/09 to 8/31/09

 Daywalker wrote:
Bummer about those decals, as they had some interesting subjects you probably won't find anywhere else. Sigh [sigh]  Thanks for the info!

just a quick update on the spada decals.

the woodgrain decals look great when put over the wood colour and they have a really nice wood grain effect and settle really well with set and sol,but boy are they thin! if they fold over you've had it.

after screwing up a couple of times i worked out that you have to position the decals where they are going to stay,you cant move them around because they are so thin.


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   12-21-2008, 1:56 PM
StephenLawson


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Re: Knights of the Sky II- 1/1/09 to 8/31/09
 squeakie wrote:
". . .* were all DVII's shiped in the camo pattern? Reason I asked is that I noticed that the camo pattern bleeds thru to the inside of the cockpit. But I was planning on doing one completely in the camo pattern. I bought some more decales yesterday, and have no idea if they'll fit the bill. But if they don't; I make look for a late DVII if that'd work (local LHS has a Roden late).

* Did all DVII's use the same engine and layout?

thanks in advance gary"

From the three factories all Fokker D.VII airframes were covered in either four or five colour lozenge camouflage.  In the field many were overpainted to various degrees. The best lozenge decal is from Microsculpt.  See their gallery.

http://www.microsculpt.com/

The engines in the Roden kit are quite accurate. While there were variations the two main installations were Mercedes D.IIIaü 180hp and the BMW IIIa 185hp.   

 

 


It is a hard world Stachel...unconfirmed by Armee means unconfirmed!!!!
http://www.wwi-n-plastic.com WWI aviation kit reviews
http://aeroscale.kitmaker.net/ see Early Aviation forum.
http://theaerodrome.com See Models and Aircraft forums.


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   12-23-2008, 7:00 AM
Daywalker


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Re: Knights of the Sky II- 1/1/09 to 8/31/09
Stephen- Those delca look so nice I am considering changing my build to one which would use them. Wink [;)]

Frank
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   12-23-2008, 12:34 PM
squeakie

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Re: Knights of the Sky II- 1/1/09 to 8/31/09
 StephenLawson wrote:
 squeakie wrote:
". . .* were all DVII's shiped in the camo pattern? Reason I asked is that I noticed that the camo pattern bleeds thru to the inside of the cockpit. But I was planning on doing one completely in the camo pattern. I bought some more decales yesterday, and have no idea if they'll fit the bill. But if they don't; I make look for a late DVII if that'd work (local LHS has a Roden late).

* Did all DVII's use the same engine and layout?

thanks in advance gary"

From the three factories all Fokker D.VII airframes were covered in either four or five colour lozenge camouflage.  In the field many were overpainted to various degrees. The best lozenge decal is from Microsculpt.  See their gallery.

http://www.microsculpt.com/

The engines in the Roden kit are quite accurate. While there were variations the two main installations were Mercedes D.IIIaü 180hp and the BMW IIIa 185hp.   

 

 

OK, then I take it that I need to apply decales to the inside of the cockpit? Then do whatever I want on the outside of the airframe. Correct? Now which engine goes with the Roden D-VII that I have (early). I think this build is going to be a lot of fun, and I already have my next kit planned (Bolcke's DII assuming I can find a 1/48th kit)

gary

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   12-23-2008, 2:48 PM
StephenLawson


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Re: Knights of the Sky II- 1/1/09 to 8/31/09

 squeakie wrote:
". . .OK, then I take it that I need to apply decals to the inside of the cockpit? Then do whatever I want on the outside of the airframe. Correct? Now which engine goes with the Roden D-VII that I have (early). I think this build is going to be a lot of fun, and I already have my next kit planned (Bolcke's DII assuming I can find a 1/48th kit) gary. . ."

Depending on the decals you are using (if the carrier is clear) then yes, you can reverse the decal pattern and get a good representation.  The Eduard kit also has segments of lozenge for the cockpit interior.  You can add the outside lozenge then paint over it but it is better to leave it off and just paint the plastic.   


It is a hard world Stachel...unconfirmed by Armee means unconfirmed!!!!
http://www.wwi-n-plastic.com WWI aviation kit reviews
http://aeroscale.kitmaker.net/ see Early Aviation forum.
http://theaerodrome.com See Models and Aircraft forums.


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   12-24-2008, 1:01 PM
squeakie

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Re: Knights of the Sky II- 1/1/09 to 8/31/09
 StephenLawson wrote:

 squeakie wrote:
". . .OK, then I take it that I need to apply decals to the inside of the cockpit? Then do whatever I want on the outside of the airframe. Correct? Now which engine goes with the Roden D-VII that I have (early). I think this build is going to be a lot of fun, and I already have my next kit planned (Bolcke's DII assuming I can find a 1/48th kit) gary. . ."

Depending on the decals you are using (if the carrier is clear) then yes, you can reverse the decal pattern and get a good representation.  The Eduard kit also has segments of lozenge for the cockpit interior.  You can add the outside lozenge then paint over it but it is better to leave it off and just paint the plastic.   

OK, I now have even more questions for the masses! I've been going thru this Ospry book about JGS2 Bolcke (a good book by the way for history buffs). Anyway in the book they state that many DR-1's and D-VII's were shipped with that streaked camo from the factory.(sorta like a bad O.D. paint job). I'm thinking that that's going to be the basis for my build, and then go on from there. Will I still need to do the lozenge camo in the interior? Secondly can any of you aces recommend a good way to replicate that streaked paint job other than with a stiff brush?

    And now that I've found out there's other things to model besides FW190's, I've come to the conclusion that somewhere in my life I gotta build a DR-1 in 1/48th or even 1/32 scale. Can anyone recommend a good kit? And last just how good is the Eduard Albatross DII?

gary

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   12-24-2008, 2:54 PM
Luftwoller


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Re: Knights of the Sky II- 1/1/09 to 8/31/09
 StephenLawson wrote:
 Luftwoller wrote:
 ". . . Gonna need some help when it comes to applying those decal sheets i reckon. Are they tricky?

...Guy

Here is a bit of fun on this same kit.  Done by some plugger hereabouts.  Its a good kit with only minor fit problems.  The decals are not a problem.

Click Here.

Wow Stephen, that looks amazing. Im really looking forward to this build. Ill follow your advice on the build to the letter. Only hope it comes out looking half as nice.

...Guy



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   12-25-2008, 10:43 PM
ruddratt


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Re: Knights of the Sky II- 1/1/09 to 8/31/09
Guy, you're going to love that kit! I've built one and have a second in the stash that I'm contemplating adding to this GB. It's about as close to a shake & bake that a bipe can be. Not a whole lot of rigging either. Lots of decals - I mean LOTS - on the upper and lower wings, but worth every minute you put into it! Thumbs Up [tup]

-Mike (Lt. FAAGB/USNFAWGB) Cool [8D]
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