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Started by Manstein's revenge at 10-20-2008 8:02 AM. Topic has 84 replies.
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   10-20-2008, 8:02 AM
Manstein's revenge


Joined on 05-15-2007
Eastern front
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Re: My U-96 DAS BOOT in 1/72 WHAT IS ART
 jtilley wrote:

I worked as a museum curator for three years, and have been teaching museum studies on the college level for twenty-five.  I (along with most others in the museum field) figured out a long time ago that attempting a definition of "art" is a waste of time.  Even if two people could agree on such a thing, they wouldn't have accomplished anything useful by doing so.

It's particularly pointless to attempt such a definition on a categorical basis - i.e., to assert that one form of activity constitutes "art" and another "craft."  Most of us, I suspect, would agree that Van Gogh's oil paintings are "art" and an unpainted plastic kit slapped together out of the box isn't.  But there is simply no reasonable logic by which the ship portraits (oil paintings on canvas - sometimes churned out at a rate of one every two days) by James Bard and Antonio Jacobsen can be considered "works of art" and the models of people like Harold Hahn and Donald McNarry can't.  Where does the line lie?  I don't know - and I see no point whatever in arguing about it.

The implication that scale models categorically cannot be considered "art," because every modeler working on the same subject will produce an identical result, is nonsense.  No two competent scale modelers will produce identical replicas of the same subject - just as no two competent photographers will shoot identical pictures of the same subject.  And surely no sensible person questions whether photography is an "art form."

Beyond that, I don't think Lingcod9's comments warrant the dignity of a response - and I hope this thread will get back onto its original topic. 

Well put, Jtilley...Your response was, well...errr...a work of art...

ERIC VON
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   10-20-2008, 8:19 AM
doc-hm3


Joined on 08-11-2007
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Re: RE: My U-96 DAS BOOT in 1/72
 Andy, Geogeous build! You should consider giving a tutotorial on your water, it's fantastic!Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]

All gave some and some gave all.
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   10-20-2008, 9:07 AM
Kelly Shaw

Joined on 11-17-2007
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Re: RE: My U-96 DAS BOOT in 1/72

Thanks, fellas, for getting back to the point – admiring a really nice model.

If the discussion again devolves into an agrument about the definition of "art," we'll have to lock it.

Thanks.

Kelly, FSM

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   10-20-2008, 10:38 AM
lingcod9

Joined on 09-09-2008
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Re: My U-96 DAS BOOT in 1/72 WHAT IS ART
Did I not agree, and praise, the model in question? So I was actually in agreement with the rest of you. You are all too sensitive about anyone expressing a different view. Maybe all the outrage resulted because I didn't include a Smiley faces. Who drew the first blood? I'm a troll because of my view? All the way up to one of the latest responces suggesting I blow him. (notice he didn't leave an address). A completely meaningless remark (or perhaps he was serious.) No thanks, I'm not gay.   
 I didn't start the issue about art, only tried to elaborate on the term.
 There's no need for directions or resources to sites concerning art, there's no objections concerning this issue.    
  Funny how little it takes to fire some people up. You can post here-as long as you agree. Don't say anything bad. Uuuuaaa that'll hurt someones feelings. Very similar situation seen on American Idol. No one wanted to hear anything from Simon. No negitive critism please, just happy lies. Yep, the true hurts. Get some balls, or grow a backbone. Positive-politially correct people make me sick. Especially ones that are two-faced and so insecure they can't tolerate any objections. This is minor stuff, how do you handle anything serious?
  I'll concede only because expressing oneselve is indeed a waste of time. My mistake. Hopefully somebody else will avoid the same mistake.
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   10-20-2008, 11:33 AM
espins1


Joined on 12-14-2002
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Re: My U-96 DAS BOOT in 1/72 WHAT IS ART
Man, you are so far off base in your assessment of the people here, and in your interpretation of what is wrong with your behavior here.  Too bad, you seem like a reasonably intelligent person, but you just don't "get it".  I'll be willing to bet you have a lot of confrontations like this in your everyday life as you try to "educate" others.  Just because no one buys in to your BS you tend to belittle everyone else to make you feel superior, never once considering that it is your approach that is the problem.  This would have been a very interesting topic to discuss in a separate thread.  If I could make a suggestion, you might want to look at the rules of conduct before posting on any forum.   

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