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Started by dupes at 06-12-2009 5:49 AM. Topic has 1552 replies.
 
 
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06-12-2009, 9:19 PM
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psstoff995

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Re: 1,000 Roadwheels - 2009
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First of all, sorry it took so long, it's been a long week at work.
detailfreak wrote: | | PSSTTOFF;i may just have to try that method of zimmerit.and the build is progressing quite nicely. |
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Thanks detailfreak, it's pretty straight forward once you get it down, practice on some scrap first ![Thumbs Up [tup]](/emoticons/icon_smile_thumbsup.gif) Thunderbolt379 wrote: |
Hi psstoff995 --
The zim is looking very realistic! Squadron white has been my putty of choice for many years and it's great to see this kind of application. You have more guts than me, I could never bring myself to do the "smear and scrape" method, which is why I ended up going with Cavalier (which is looking good, and I hope to get back to the StuG IV before too much longer.)
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Thanks- it was really just due to a cost issue, limited funds are the only thing keeping me from the convenience of those well detailed Cavalier sheets. They do look much nicer, my brother's used a set or two before- also they include some nicer raised detail for parts that aren't covered in zim- mine now have left over crusts of white putty lol
I'm curious as to why you filled the joint-line around the top of the fighting compartment -- was it molded too enthusiastically? Or was there an issue with fit? That division was a natural juncture in the armor, the roof would be removed to enable the engineers to crane out the gun for work. This is shown in photographs in Squadron's StuG III Walk Around book, and the IV was essentially the same superstructure.
Cheers,
Mike
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Ah- in that case it's more my misunderstanding as opposed to an attempt at going for realism then. For one thing, the gap that was molded in, not sure if it was too enthusiastically portrayed or not, my real issue was, at least in scale- it looked to be too deep/created too much of a shadow for what I thought it would look like in 1/35- also when I glued the roof assembly down to the "turret" walls, the walls are essentially a four sided, kinda bent box shape, think of a half crushed cardboard box, no top or bottom, just sides- and the part was showing it's age with a bit of warpage, instead of trying to re-bend it, I just used the roof to help square it out, so the gap was also not even on all four sides, some were more in scale (for my taste) than others, figured I'd just fill the whole thing and try and replicate any gap with paint later. That whole assembly is still not attached to the top half of the chassis, and test fitting is showing that it's still a little warped, what wont glue down flush will be filled with green putty as well, then maybe "zimm"ed over with the white. Thanks for checking it out- sorry for the late, lengthy reply lol
-Chris  
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06-13-2009, 12:06 AM
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Mobious

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Re: 1,000 Roadwheels - 2009
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Hey psstoff, I had the very same problem with the old DML Brummbar kit. The sides of the superstructure were bowed out at the edges and sunken in at spots. I caught the front edge bow and straightend it when I attached it to the lower hull, but missed the sides (mainly because I hadn't attached the fenders yet) When I did catch it I had to fill a large sink spot on the port side. Of 4 sides 2 were whacked pretty good. hmm. Anywho, I like the looks of the zimm you've done with the Squadron white putty and the paint on the seam line should work out fine. Looking forward to seeing progress on the StugIV.
"You can't hear me? YOU CAN'T HEAR ME!!?,The reason you can't hear me is, You're firing your mortar on your end and they're landing here on our end!!" Big Joe
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06-13-2009, 8:45 AM
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Thunderbolt379
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Re: 1,000 Roadwheels - 2009
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Hi Chris and Mobius -- Ah, Dragon strikes again! (It is the Dragon kit, right?) Their motto seems to be 'never use one part where five will do,' giving rise not only to minimal retooling necessary to crank out other variants from the same molds, but warpage and fit issues. I think you did the right thing filling the gap if it was uneven all around, you could potentially recreate the joint line with a pencil and rule over the paintjob later. Tamiya tooled the whole upper hull for each of the IV derivatives in one piece, from fenders to roof, and only the rear section of the fenders were seperate, allowing for molding of the intake protectors. This means no gaps other than those tooled. That cuts both ways, though -- if you wanted to build the beast with its lid raised and engineers pulling the gun, you'd have to scribe/saw out the roof panel, whereas Dragon gives you the individual part. Cheers, hoping to post some progress soon, Mike
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06-13-2009, 6:30 PM
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psstoff995

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Re: 1,000 Roadwheels - 2009
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Yep! The Dragon kit- sorry to hear about that Brummbar Mobius. Thanks for the comments on the zimm and the support with the paint method, hope I can pull it off lol
Their motto seems to be 'never use one part where five will do,' giving rise not only to minimal retooling necessary to crank out other variants from the same molds, but warpage and fit issues.
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Yeah, I guess I like the selection, and my spare "random tank part thingies" box isn't complaining. In some spots, the extra parts give way to better detail, but having built the Tamiya PIV I think they get away with some crisper detail due to the larger pieces... if not maybe a teeny tad bit exaggerated for scale in some instances. I think it's a toss up, depends on what one looks for. What's nice is if you can make it through a Dragon kit's instructions and not miss a part or subassembly along the way- you can do anything!! lol
They actually don't call out two of the large tow hooks on the front plate... I'll have to dig around all my sprus and try and find those...
I think you did the right thing filling the gap if it was uneven all around, you could potentially recreate the joint line with a pencil and rule over the paintjob later.
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Thanks again for the support- I like the pencil idea- I'll give that a shot before I try and paint a straight line lol Yeah- I think if I was going to do something like that, or perhaps a blown vehicle with the roof plate off or something, I agree, Dragon’s the way to go, but for what I’m doing, I wonder if it would have been a lot simpler just to go the old Tamiya route. Sometimes I get stuck in this “superdetail” mindset and think I must go Dragon or go AM and I think I forget that some of these older Dragon kits, like this Imperial Series StuG were pre 3 in 1 and Smart Kits and all that and build up with the same Tamiya style detail in the end. Although I do like the inclusion of some clear plastic side skirts, a creative way to get that etched brass thickness at a cheap enough price to include it with the kit. There is a little bit of PE included, but only because it was the only real way they could get some of the upper hull detail on seeing as I have what looks to me like a PIV upper hull. The bolt looking brackets around the rim of the “turret” that are probably molded right onto your finders came PE in my kit. I’ll show you next update, and give some examples using the instructions of just how crazy some of this was. With all the unused plastic... I’m surprised their minimal retooling actually saved them money haha
-Chris  
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06-13-2009, 8:33 PM
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Thunderbolt379
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Re: 1,000 Roadwheels - 2009
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Hi psstoff995 -- Good point, especially on the 3-in-1s, there's so much unused in the box you'd have to wonder if they're driving the price up by providing all that spare plastic. Very true -- other than the early Dragon Russian armor released by Zvezda, I have yet to alleviate my Dragon-virginity. I've been hankering to do their Hummel, if I have time later in the year it would be a good evolution for me! I think your stuG will be a real eye-catcher and I can't wait to see paint over that zim! Cheers, Mike
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06-14-2009, 11:48 PM
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Mobious

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Re: 1,000 Roadwheels - 2009
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Hey Dupes, I got side tracked on a couple of wingded projects but have started on the SdKfz 162. Mostly just masked off the areas that I dint want the putte to be. Not sure if I'm going to use the PE on this one, had it saved for a SdKfz 162/1. Anyhew, I removed the mg port covers and added the mg port detail to the RO's station. Masked both the front plate and the Topfblende. Also test fit the Jordi Rubio 7.5cm pak39/L48 into the saukopf. Heer's a photo of what I've got so far. The casting texture on both the inner and outer mantlets is really good, I hate to cover it up. Not much but it's a start. OBTW, checked the superstructure with a straight edge, not bad.
"You can't hear me? YOU CAN'T HEAR ME!!?,The reason you can't hear me is, You're firing your mortar on your end and they're landing here on our end!!" Big Joe
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06-15-2009, 10:00 AM
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psstoff995

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Re: 1,000 Roadwheels - 2009
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Thunderbolt379 wrote: |
I think your stuG will be a real eye-catcher and I can't wait to see paint over that zim!
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Thanks a lot! ![Big Smile [:D]](/emoticons/icon_smile_big.gif) I'm going to try some soft edge/airbrush camo for... the first-ish time, so I'm hoping that will turn out. I'm not sure if I want her in Italy or somewhere on the Eastern Front in the winter/urban environment. I’ll be looking through color plate refs in the meantime lol
-Chris  
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06-15-2009, 8:27 PM
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Mobious

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Re: 1,000 Roadwheels - 2009
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Hey psstoff, I always manage to get seepies on canopies or any clear part! Had a few with the zimm, but fortunately it isn't a clear part so hey no problem. Anywhew, I removed the tape and this is what I got. I'll clean the edges up and lightly sand after the hamburger is dry. Hehe. I have a few spots that I need to go over again on the sides and I plan on doing that when the front plate is attached and I can blend the corners together. Most of the reference photos I have of the Sdkfz162 have a very rough looking coat of zimm
"You can't hear me? YOU CAN'T HEAR ME!!?,The reason you can't hear me is, You're firing your mortar on your end and they're landing here on our end!!" Big Joe
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06-15-2009, 9:15 PM
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psstoff995

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Re: 1,000 Roadwheels - 2009
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Hey! Great texture, I like the thickness, mine was too thick on my first try, a KT, now after seeing yours I'm wondering if perhaps the StuG's got it on a little thin... It turned out great! ![Thumbs Up [tup]](/emoticons/icon_smile_thumbsup.gif) and a quick turn around too, what did you use to mold it? Screwdriver perhaps? But yeah, I’m scared to death of clear parts...
-Chris  
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06-16-2009, 4:09 PM
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Mobious

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Re: 1,000 Roadwheels - 2009
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psstoff995 wrote: | Hey! Great texture, I like the thickness, mine was too thick on my first try, a KT, now after seeing yours I'm wondering if perhaps the StuG's got it on a little thin...
It turned out great! and a quick turn around too, what did you use to mold it? Screwdriver perhaps?
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hey psstoff, I did use a screwdriver that I've filed to get a sharper edge on, not exactly sharp but mainly just thinner and smoother. What I find most difficult is getting a uniform thickness, I went with a larger palette knife and it worked out better than the smaller one I'd been using. It's been awhile since doing a zimm covered vehicle and the Jag has such a small silhouette and few corners it is pretty straight forward, except for the compound curves of the mantlets. They posed the biggest challenge, but with decent reference pics from the Tanks In Detail series Vol 9 which covers the Jagdpanzer series, I just followed the pattern from the photos. I liked how Dragon engineered the front plate seperate, it made doing the front really easy, unlike the Tamiya Jagdpanzer IV or Brummbar I'd done a couple of years ago.
"You can't hear me? YOU CAN'T HEAR ME!!?,The reason you can't hear me is, You're firing your mortar on your end and they're landing here on our end!!" Big Joe
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06-20-2009, 3:53 AM
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Mobious

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Re: 1,000 Roadwheels - 2009
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Thanks psstoff, The screwdriver works great on the more complex shapes and in tight spots too. I managed to get the roadwheels, drive sprockets, and idlers out of the way and finished up the lower hull with zimm. Here is a photo of the bits and pieces. I finally finished up another GB project and will be looking forward to having more time to focus on the Jag.
"You can't hear me? YOU CAN'T HEAR ME!!?,The reason you can't hear me is, You're firing your mortar on your end and they're landing here on our end!!" Big Joe
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06-20-2009, 9:44 AM
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Glamdring

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Nice zim Mobius! I scored myself the Cyberhobby Vorpanzer on deep discount. The jury is out on whether it'll join this party...
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06-20-2009, 11:37 AM
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stick man

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Nice looking zim Mobious I'm hopeing I'll be able to get the other side of Magic tracks assembled for my build later today I aven't done much work on my ausf G latly. ![Smile [:)]](/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)
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06-20-2009, 12:36 PM
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Geist

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Great looking builds everyone. Sorry I've been away for so long. I think once I finish my current build (a SdKfz 250/11) I'll try to get back into my Pv IV D. Erik
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06-20-2009, 6:27 PM
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Mobious

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Thanks for the positive comments and encouragement. With the weather in the upper 70's it's getting harder to stay indoors. Looking forward to updates from Eby Juan!
"You can't hear me? YOU CAN'T HEAR ME!!?,The reason you can't hear me is, You're firing your mortar on your end and they're landing here on our end!!" Big Joe
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