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Started by Schnobs at 06-27-2009 7:13 PM. Topic has 206 replies.
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   06-27-2009, 7:13 PM
Schnobs


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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP

 Panther F wrote:
Very sharp!  We need to see more vehicles like this!

Thanks Jeff!  I was inspired to buy this kit by Andy's fine build which was posted here as well.  Here is the link he did an awesome job and this build is a tribute to that one!

http://cs.finescale.com/forums/1138403/ShowPost.aspx


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   06-27-2009, 10:11 PM
Schnobs


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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP

Build Time:

38H Assembly Time: 12 Hours

Painting and Weathering Time: 26 Hours

Aggregate Build Time: 38 Hours

Figure Build:

Figure Assembly & prep: 2 hours

I finished assembling the Machine Gunner figure which was quite challenging to get just right so the MG34 fit naturally.  Here is how it will look in the hatch.  I am still not sure about the head so still looking for some suggestions. I am still leaning towards the Ultra cast head but I have never changed heads out before so that could be a challenge I would suspect but not a blocker.


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   06-27-2009, 10:17 PM
wbill76


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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP
Facial expression looks good to me...he's got just the right look of concentration to go with manning the MG that you would expect. What's the other one look like by comparison?
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   06-27-2009, 10:32 PM
Schnobs


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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP

Hey Bill the other head is the one on the far right:


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   06-27-2009, 11:54 PM
Manstein's revenge


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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP
I'd stick with the current head---the other one looks a bit over-the-top...looking good.

ERIC VON
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   06-28-2009, 2:08 AM
Schnobs


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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP

Thanks Manny,

Yeah that's why I liked him but the original head grew on me so I am going to keep him. I tried to look at your Alpine Miniature figure for reference but the the picture links have been moved. Grumpy [|(] I use Vallejo Model Colors and I was going to ask your advice on the correct Model Colors for the uniform. Should I use 830 German Field Gray for the tunic or 920 German Uniform? I was thinking 816 or a Nuetral Grey for the trousers and either Field Grey or nuetral grey for the Field cap?

If you posted a pic of your figure I could probally work out the colors from there. I was really impressed with him I thought he was your best figure that I have seen anyway.

Thanks in advance Manny! Any suggestiosn you might have for painting this guy would be appreciated as always.


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   06-28-2009, 10:00 AM
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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP
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   06-28-2009, 10:52 AM
wbill76


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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP
If you were going to show this as one that's "in combat", the middle head might be the better choice. He's got his helmet on (which implies a more immediate situation vs. the soft field cap of the current head you're using) but still has a look of concentration without the shouting of the guy on the far right. All depends on what the "story" is you want to convey I guess. Wink [;)]
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   06-28-2009, 5:41 PM
psstoff995


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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP
Nice looking figure, and very good job on the fit- he does look right at home. As for the head swap... thats hard to say, I agree with Bill though, ultimatly it's going to come down to what you want to show with the final diorama. If you wanted to have a bunch of Russian infantry charging the tiny little observation tank about to climb all over it, that might fit the over the top war cry look of the MGer, so as long as you make all elements fit together, I think you'll pull away with a real winner with either of the 3 heads.

-Chris
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   06-28-2009, 6:14 PM
Schnobs


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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP

 psstoff995 wrote:
Nice looking figure, and very good job on the fit- he does look right at home. As for the head swap... thats hard to say, I agree with Bill though, ultimatly it's going to come down to what you want to show with the final diorama. If you wanted to have a bunch of Russian infantry charging the tiny little observation tank about to climb all over it, that might fit the over the top war cry look of the MGer, so as long as you make all elements fit together, I think you'll pull away with a real winner with either of the 3 heads.

Thanks Chris, Bill and Manny for your comments and opinions about the head. Yeah the fit and natural look was a lot more difficult than I had imagined,  I like the screaming head because he is over the top dramatic but tiny observation vehicles are rarely attacked by Brigades so Rambo will not be needed.  I really like the figure as is I just wanted a reason to do some head swapping but I will wait for a more opportune time.

Chris: Do you have any suggestions on Vellejo Model Colors for the base color and highlights and shadows for a standard German Wehrmacht uniform?


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   06-28-2009, 6:29 PM
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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP
 I agree with Bill on the helmet thing but ive got to say the first figure in the turret looks awsome and id keep him.Who makes him?
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   06-28-2009, 7:40 PM
Schnobs


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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP

 Bodge wrote:
 I agree with Bill on the helmet thing but ive got to say the first figure in the turret looks awsome and id keep him.Who makes him?

When I saw him at the Vendor at the show he was perfect for what I had in mind for the 38H. He was originally designed to fit in a Stug III G.  He came as a set and the figures are great.  I have an Alpine Minature figure as well and the quality is pretty close.  Like you I get inspired by Box art as well and the Bronco box art for this kit showed a helmeted figure which I was leaning towards but I will do my best to do this guy justice as he is.

He is a Tank figure which is a great Russian company that makes Russian and German figures.

http://www.tank-model.ru/

Andy do you mind if I PM you with some figure painting questions? I am trying to improve my output quality from my first set of figures and I have a few questions on base, shadow and highlight colors for the basic german uniform. I liked the colors on your figure you posed with your 38H can you provide some color suggestions?  I use Vallejo Model Color paints for figures if that helps.


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   06-29-2009, 4:37 PM
Bodge


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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP
PM away i will only be too glad to help you.
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   06-29-2009, 5:12 PM
Schnobs


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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP

PM sent Andy!

Thx!

 


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   06-29-2009, 5:20 PM
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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP
  

   Edmund With results like this I really don't think you need me coming over and dropping anythingWink [;)].

   Those Tank figures are some of the best I've seen. My problem is I cant find anyone who sells themSigh [sigh]


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   06-29-2009, 5:29 PM
Schnobs


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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP
 panzerguy wrote:
  

   Edmund With results like this I really don't think you need me coming over and dropping anythingWink [;)].

   Those Tank figures are some of the best I've seen. My problem is I cant find anyone who sells themSigh [sigh]

Maybe you could just drop some of my figures then!  Big Smile [:D]

Here is an online source that will take care of you.  Great people I have met them at the shows and they have a great reputation.  I bought two sets of the Tank figures from them and what they don't have they can order.

http://www.rjproducts.com/


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   06-29-2009, 11:37 PM
Schnobs


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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP

Build Time:

38H Assembly Time: 12 Hours

Painting and Weathering Time: 26 Hours

Aggregate Build Time: 38 Hours

Figure Build:

Figure Assembly & prep: 4 hours

I managed to finish prepping the figure and after getting the set of the MG34 correctly I had to fill in the gap underneath the arm with Milliput and then prime with Tamiya Flat White.

In order to paint the detail I am approaching the figure as two sub assemblies.  I leveraged lessons learned from painting and detailing the first two MG34's and was more careful with the silver dry brushing on the barrel and receiver.


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   06-30-2009, 12:07 AM
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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP

Hi Edmund,

Drywall--We are done.  (AC crapped out, but that's out of my pay grade).

Looking great here, I will watch this figure deal with close attention.  The vehicle looks great, but you've already set your own standard, we expect nothing less.

Pop over to Panther central when you get the chance, I need your critical eyes.

Looking GREAT here, sir.

Bill 

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   06-30-2009, 12:21 AM
Schnobs


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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP
 Citadelgrad87 wrote:

Hi Edmund,

Drywall--We are done.  (AC crapped out, but that's out of my pay grade).

Looking great here, I will watch this figure deal with close attention.  The vehicle looks great, but you've already set your own standard, we expect nothing less.

Pop over to Panther central when you get the chance, I need your critical eyes.

Looking GREAT here, sir.

Bill 

Hey Bill!  Good news about the Drywall not so good about AC going out in Cali in the Summer that's a big deal!  Stay in that beautiful pool!

Thanks for the props on the vehicle.  I am really happy how the paint and weathering turned out.  It looks awesome!! I am almost didn't do a figure because I am not so confident with my skills in that area but the struggle is where the gains are so I am proceeding on pace.  I do have a remediation plan ready if the figure doesn't turn out.  Andy gave me some great tips today which I am going to try out.

Thanks again Andy!

I am on my way over to your post Bill....


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   06-30-2009, 12:25 AM
psstoff995


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Re: #5 Trumpeter's German 38(H) Artillery Observation Vehicle WIP
 Schnobs wrote:


Chris: Do you have any suggestions on Vellejo Model Colors for the base color and highlights and shadows for a standard German Wehrmacht uniform?



Hmm... no idea, I've actually never used Vallejo MCs before- but looking at those other figures you did- I'd say they looked nice enough for me. I'd think the same colors would work here- and with fading/manufacturing/dye consistency in WW2 Germany, no one can really call you out on way or the other.

(nice looking detail work so far on the gunner!!)

-Chris
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