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   03-28-2007, 10:12 AM
Lucien Harpress


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1/72 Spruce Goose Build Thread (More wing work)

Well, after God knows how long of having millions of topics bouncing around this site about one single build, I finally broke down and decided to consolidate them all into one thread that I could constantly update as progress was made.  I apologize in advance to all dial-up users.

For those who have no idea what I'm talking about, this is my build of a VERY rare 1/72 Vacuform Spruce Goose wired with spinning props.  Here's a look back on what's accomplished so far:

From now on, this is where all new updates will be posted. 

As a futher note, I'm consolidated a bunch of my photos into one folder on my photobucket account.  As a result, a number of the really old pictures of this build may not work anymore.  It won't affect anything in this thread, just the really old ones that nobody looks at anyway.  And if you REALLY want to see something that you remember and isn't there anymore, just let me know and I'll get the new link to it.

Also, the pics are large for a very special reason.  Although to find out what that reason IS, you'll just have to wait until I'm finished!  Big Smile [:D]  Thanks for the look-see, and comments, as always, are welcome.


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   03-28-2007, 10:20 AM
brain44


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Re: The OFFICIAL 1/72 Spruce Goose Build Thread

Great idea, Mike!  I know a lot of us have been following this build closely - pretty soon, you can have your own version of Evergreen Air Museum at home!  Cool [8D]

Brian  Cowboy [C):-)]


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   04-08-2007, 8:25 PM
Lucien Harpress


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Re: The OFFICIAL 1/72 Spruce Goose Build Thread

Another update for the thread-

Small, but progress, nonetheless.  I've glued one side of the wings together, removed the aileron, and boxed in the resulting gap.  Next up- the flap.


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   04-15-2007, 1:48 PM
Lucien Harpress


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Re: The OFFICIAL 1/72 Spruce Goose Build Thread

Another update, but no pics unfortunately.

Looking at this model just sitting on my bedroom floor, I came to a sad conclusion.  Up until this point, I had planned on leaving the planing hull alone in terms of correcting the rounded edges.  But when I noticed ALL the other things that I'd fixed, I realized that if I DIDN'T do anything, it would stick out like a sore thumb.  Therefore, I've decided to break down, buy some angle stock from my LHS, and crack out ANOTHER tube of putty.

 

(sigh).....

 

Sometimes I wonder.....

What this means for everyone else out there is that this build is going to take THAT much longer.  Sorry!

Ah, well.  Back to work... 


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   05-27-2007, 9:49 PM
Lucien Harpress


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Re: The OFFICIAL 1/72 Spruce Goose Build Thread

A multi-part update, with photos this time!

Apart from various other projects, I HAVE been working on my Goose, also.  Here's what I got to bring y'all up to speed:

This monstrosity is the finished battery box.  The battery will slip in vertically, and connect to a terminal at the top (which I still need to add) and the bottom.  I learned that the only way to get the battery OUT once it's dead is to use needle nosed pliers.  Oh, well.

One aileron and flap are gone.  As you can see, I still need to clean up the flap actuator housings (those spiky things on the underside) with a dremel or something.

My next update actually makes me feel rather good.  For a long time the curved edges of the planing hull has ticked me off.   These should be rather angular.  I debated just leaving them alone, but finally got the motivation to fix this.  It was a rather simple fix involving some small angle stock and, yes, LOTS of putty.

Here's the before:

(Notice rounded bottom edges)

And now:

I still have a bit of work to do (UNDERSTATEMENT!!!!), but you get the idea.

.. 

Hey! Progress!  Woo hoo!  The nex hurdle for me is cleaning up the wing joints.  I'm going to wait to get some epoxy putty so I can resculpt the wingtips.  The bottom wing is about a quarter inch longer than the top, and it leaves a shelf at the tips (---I__).  Bad drawing, I know.  Either way, it'll require some major work.

But hey- at least I'm doing something, right?  Stay tuned for more! 


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   05-28-2007, 10:03 AM
brain44


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Re: The OFFICIAL 1/72 Spruce Goose Build Thread

Now I am getting really excited to see the finished a/c, Mike!  I have followed your progress from day one, and I applaud you and your modeling skills! Bow [bow] This build is a winner in anyone's book!  If you decide to enter it in contests, it'll be a Blue Ribbon winner for sure! Keep the updates coming and thanks (once again) for sharing with us mere mortal builders!  Cool [8D]

Brian  Cowboy [C):-)]


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   05-28-2007, 10:16 PM
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Re: The OFFICIAL 1/72 Spruce Goose Build Thread

You are certainly making great progress on the Goose.  Keep the updates coming.

Darwin, O.F.  Alien [alien]


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   07-06-2007, 10:41 PM
Lucien Harpress


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Re: The OFFICIAL 1/72 Spruce Goose Build Thread

Here I go again, dredging this thread up from obscurity to add a few more tidbits of my eternal struggle to build this monster of a kit and get it looking at LEAST half-way decent.

Today our focus is on the motors.  The original Goose used eight Pratt and Whitney R-4360s, a 28 cylinder 4300 horsepower engine.  It was the largest production piston engine ever built, and was used in many large post-war aircraft, like the B-36.  Despite this enormous amount of power, however, the Goose was still underpowered.  Howard Hughes actually designed it around the much larger, 36 cylinder 7500 hp Lycoming R-7755, which unfortuantely never reached the stage of mass production.

As for MY rendition of these engines, I went a bit smaller (but still pretty big)- take a look.

(Astute observers will notice I only have seven engine nacelles completed.  This is because I managed to break off one of the leads on my last electric motor, rendering it useless.  I'll have to order more before I go on.)

Now, these might not seem that big.  But compare them to two other pieces of equipment:

The large nacelle is from the Goose.  The smaller nacelle is a BWM 801, a standard German 18 cylinder radial and the one used on the Fw 190.  The airplane is another of my "in-progress" builds, a Bf 109, something I'm sure EVERYONE has.  Now, the 109 was not a large aircraft by any means.  But compare it to the Goose nacelle, and that should tell you something.

That's it for now.  Next up should be some work on the ailerons (my first attempt was a bust), hopefully rather soon.

Thanks for looking! 


 


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   07-06-2007, 11:01 PM
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Re: The OFFICIAL 1/72 Spruce Goose Build Thread
Wow...amazing, simply amazing.  I like the scale/size comparison.  How did the vac-former work out?

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   07-06-2007, 11:04 PM
Lucien Harpress


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Re: The OFFICIAL 1/72 Spruce Goose Build Thread

I haven't tried it, yet.  Next time I order some putty from Squadron (really, REALLY soon!) I'll add some clear plastic to the order so I actually have something to VAC-FORM with!

I'll let you know as SOON as I get something! 


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   07-07-2007, 11:56 AM
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Re: The OFFICIAL 1/72 Spruce Goose Build Thread

Absolutely outstanding!  Mike, glad to see someone is keeping the putty manufacturers in business, especially in this age of shake-n-bake kits! 

Keep the progress posts coming, a lot of people are watching you on this one!


Frank
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   07-08-2007, 3:29 AM
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Re: The OFFICIAL 1/72 Spruce Goose Build Thread

Now THATS an incredible model!  You're really going to have something to be proud of there!


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   07-08-2007, 11:16 AM
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Re: The OFFICIAL 1/72 Spruce Goose Build Thread
 Lucien Harpress wrote:

The large nacelle is from the Goose.  The smaller nacelle is a BWM 801, a standard German 18 cylinder radial and the one used on the Fw 190.  The airplane is another of my "in-progress" builds, a Bf 109, something I'm sure EVERYONE has.  Now, the 109 was not a large aircraft by any means.  But compare it to the Goose nacelle, and that should tell you something.

Thanks for looking! 

Are you trying to say that the Goose model is LARGE?????????????  ROFLMAO

Darwin, O.F.  [aien] 

 


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   07-08-2007, 12:08 PM
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Re: The OFFICIAL 1/72 Spruce Goose Build Thread

Awesome Mike, Simply awesome. Cant wait to see this one wired up. Remember to tether the beast when you 1st fire up the motors cos that thing is going to try to get airborne. Itl also blow everything in your workshop all over the place. lol.

...Guy


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   07-13-2007, 1:34 PM
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Re: The OFFICIAL 1/72 Spruce Goose Build Thread (Motor Time!)
Was that a cottage manufacturer kit ( Combat Models maybe ) or did you scratchbuild from plans? If scratchbuilt I would be interested in where you found the plans. I'd like to do one someday after I clear the 1/72 747 off my to do list...
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   07-13-2007, 3:00 PM
Lucien Harpress


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Re: The OFFICIAL 1/72 Spruce Goose Build Thread (Motor Time!)

It was a (VERY) limited run cottage vacuform by Heavykits.  He only made 25 of them, which he sold (rather quickly) on Ebay.  The only other guy I know who has one is bwr1 on this site, and he's in the middle of a few other REALLY large projects, so he's nowhere near starting it (I think).

Heavykits has recently sold the molds on Ebay, and I have no idea is the buyer plans to use them to make more.

As for plans, a few only came out very recently.  People were trying to charge royalties on them and all that...  in any case, here's all I can give you in the way of those:

http://www.seawings.co.uk/sprucegooseplangal.htm

I guarentee these are all the plans you are going to find, short of contacting the Evergreen Aviation Museum itself. 


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   07-15-2007, 8:15 PM
Lucien Harpress


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Re: The OFFICIAL 1/72 Spruce Goose Build Thread (Motor Time!)

Sigh...

I realized why it's taking me so long to get this thing finished.  Every time I end up fixing one of the kit's deficiencies, I find two or three more things that need fixing!!

My latest "discovery"?  The flap housings.  You know, those huge things that stick out of the bottom of the wing by the flaps?  Yeah.  I was GOING to work around them when I add the flaps, but once I tried, I made a sad realization- it would be eaiser just to take 'em off and make new ones.

So I did.

I'll probably have to carve a new master out of balsa (not hard), vacuform it with my nifty little vac-table, and then cast a bunch of copies in resin.

A pain in the butt?  Oh yes.  

But with this kit, what else is new?   Dead [xx(]

 

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Just for reference, here's all the stuff I've replaced on this kit:

-Elevators

-Rudder

-Flight deck roof

-Ailerons

-Flaps

-Nacelle mounts

-Hull edges

-Flap acutator housings 

Notice two things- first, these are not things I added- these are things I replaced.  Cut out, sanded down, scratchbuilt, and faired back into the whole.  Second, these are not small details.  These are major, intrigal parts of the airframe as a whole.  I haven't even gotten to adding details yet!

Oh, boy....    I need a nap...


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   07-25-2007, 10:25 PM
Lucien Harpress


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Re: The OFFICIAL 1/72 Spruce Goose Build Thread (Motor Time!)

Okay, another small update for everybody.  I've began work on one aileron:

It's the same story as the rudder and elevators- thin basswood to hold the pattern, thicker balsa to form the leading edge, and balsa strips to represent the ribs.  This will all be coated in glue-laden tissue paper later, and then attached to the model.

I also have one of the flaps attached; I just need to fair it into the wing a bit better on the bottom.  Then I need to carve a master for the actuator housings underneith, and vac-form me about eight of them. 


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   07-26-2007, 6:08 AM
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Re: The OFFICIAL 1/72 Spruce Goose Build Thread (Motor Time!)

Ah back to the goose... all is right in the world and balance has been brought back to the universe.Wink [;)]

The aileron reminds me of my days building RC... kinda miss gluing up the wood airframes sometimes.  And that one looks like it is about the same size as one on an RC ship.


Marc

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   07-26-2007, 7:52 AM
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Re: The OFFICIAL 1/72 Spruce Goose Build Thread (Motor Time!)
 wing_nut wrote:

The aileron reminds me of my days building RC... kinda miss gluing up the wood airframes sometimes.  And that one looks like it is about the same size as one on an RC ship.

Sign - Ditto [#ditto] I was thinking the same thing!  Looks like you've got yourself one heck of a project on your hands.  The Goose is gonna be a head turner for sure!Thumbs Up [tup]


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