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Started by wyoroy at 10-01-2008 3:11 PM. Topic has 1882 replies.
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   10-01-2008, 3:11 PM
wyoroy


Joined on 08-28-2006
The Great State of Wyoming
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Re: Knights of the Sky WWI GB 9/29/2007 to 12/31/2008
Checked out the site, very cool.  I wish you as the best and I do think it will do great.

Roy (Capt. Wyoroy FAAGB/USNFAWGB)
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   10-01-2008, 4:09 PM
sfcmac


Joined on 10-17-2004
League City, Texas
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Re: Knights of the Sky WWI GB 9/29/2007 to 12/31/2008

 You know I really wanted to participate in this build but time is killing me.  However looking at excellent build after jaw dropping build I have to add something at least to show my appreciation for all y'alls hard and fabulous efforts!

So I did some research and finally found a suitable Sopwith Camel that was accurate and since I like figures had to do extensive research on WW I pilot uniforms. After much much effort and countless hours on the bench here is the result. Enjoy. Comments welcome.


CPT Aaron McNeal
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   10-01-2008, 4:21 PM
Daywalker


Joined on 09-08-2003
South Central Wisconsin
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Re: Knights of the Sky WWI GB 9/29/2007 to 12/31/2008

Stephen- WOW!!!  That's awesome.  COngrats on your birds in the gallery, and thanks for the link- heading off to order some lozenge decals right now. Wink [;)]

Bryan- Thanks for stopping by! Approve [^]


Frank
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   10-01-2008, 6:08 PM
StephenLawson


Joined on 10-08-2004
Colorado
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Re: Knights of the Sky WWI GB 9/29/2007 to 12/31/2008

No worries folks.  By the way I have NO connection financially to the lozenge I was simply the consultant and modelbuilder.  The good thing is we have a fine line of lozenge to use now. Mr. Sollers the owner / operator incured all the financial risk.  I have encouraged him to begin advertising.   

By the way here is that last test I did of my five colour loz build  in unfiltered sunlight.


It is a hard world Stachel...unconfirmed by Armee means unconfirmed!!!!
http://www.wwi-n-plastic.com WWI aviation kit reviews
http://aeroscale.kitmaker.net/ see Early Aviation forum.
http://theaerodrome.com See Models and Aircraft forums.


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   10-02-2008, 2:36 AM
StephenLawson


Joined on 10-08-2004
Colorado
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Re: Knights of the Sky WWI GB 9/29/2007 to 12/31/2008

Back to the 1/32 Roden Fok. D.VI now.  I think the undersurface decals came out too orange in this image.  Due to my flash.


It is a hard world Stachel...unconfirmed by Armee means unconfirmed!!!!
http://www.wwi-n-plastic.com WWI aviation kit reviews
http://aeroscale.kitmaker.net/ see Early Aviation forum.
http://theaerodrome.com See Models and Aircraft forums.


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   10-06-2008, 11:24 AM
More Power Scotty


Joined on 11-19-2005
that state up North
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Re: Knights of the Sky WWI GB 9/29/2007 to 12/31/2008

Stephen,

Thanks for the link on the lozenge decals!  I also liked the ones for simulating the fabric patern on the decals.  I will be interested in seeing the streaked painting used on the Dr.1's.  When I built a couple of those planes in the past, I used an acrylic olive drab paint thinned down, and I applied it with a brush that was comparable to the same size brush that was used on the real planes.  As I mentioned some time ago, I used a blue base paint, not realizing that a linen color would have been more accurate.  I did notice on my Eduard "Der Rote Flieger" kit that they mention both linen and blue for the undercoat.  There appears to still be some question on what was used, or perhaps they were both used when the planes were manufactured.


Scott


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   10-07-2008, 12:59 AM
StephenLawson


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Colorado
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Re: Knights of the Sky WWI GB 9/29/2007 to 12/31/2008
Eduard's Camoucolours are based on outdated information.  For upper surfaces the bleached linen for the pre-productions triplanes F.I 101/17 -103/17 it is believed to be accurate. (Almost white)  For the production Dr.I types, unbleached linen is appropriate.  (This is a "dull light tan to cream" colour.  Upper surfaces were streaked. All undersurfaces were painted lt. blue.

It is a hard world Stachel...unconfirmed by Armee means unconfirmed!!!!
http://www.wwi-n-plastic.com WWI aviation kit reviews
http://aeroscale.kitmaker.net/ see Early Aviation forum.
http://theaerodrome.com See Models and Aircraft forums.


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   10-08-2008, 5:03 PM
More Power Scotty


Joined on 11-19-2005
that state up North
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Re: Knights of the Sky WWI GB 9/29/2007 to 12/31/2008

Stephen,

Once again your knowledge in this area is very impressive, and I appreciate your comments.  One more question, what color would be appropriate for Voss's tripe?


Scott


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   10-08-2008, 8:18 PM
StephenLawson


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Colorado
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Re: Knights of the Sky WWI GB 9/29/2007 to 12/31/2008

 More Power Scotty wrote:
Stephen,  Once again your knowledge in this area is very impressive, and I appreciate your comments.  One more question, what color would be appropriate for Voss's tripe?

Wow! You don't ask the easy questions do you?  Do you realize the controversy that exists on this? The short answer is that it was painted in the Fokker factory standard.  Early historians said light blue over all with grren streaking on all upper surfaces.  But the standard we have today is bleached linen was used for the pre-production F.I types.  Solid lt. blue painting on the undersurfaces.  Olive drab Streaking on the uppersurfaces, 

All exposed metal cowling areas were a medium green.I use a variation of the Testors Model Master dark or medium green lighten with a light grey for that.  For the cowling I go with green.  The white eyes would not show up well in real life on a yellow cowling.

Here are two excellent threads on the subject in 1/32. 

For F.I 103/17 at the end of her career.

For F.I 103/17 at the beginning.

There is also my 1/48 version on my website in CD & downloads.

 


It is a hard world Stachel...unconfirmed by Armee means unconfirmed!!!!
http://www.wwi-n-plastic.com WWI aviation kit reviews
http://aeroscale.kitmaker.net/ see Early Aviation forum.
http://theaerodrome.com See Models and Aircraft forums.


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   10-10-2008, 11:11 PM
ModelCellar

Joined on 07-22-2008
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Re: Knights of the Sky WWI GB 9/29/2007 to 12/31/2008

Hi folks,

Finally!  He's here!  1/32 (54mm) Billy Bishop is now available from Model Cellar Productions (http://www.modelcellar.com/)

Sculpted by Mike Good, this is an outstanding portrait figure of Billy Bishop.  ...makes a greeat accessory to that Se.5a build up above =))! 

Kit particulars:

Billy Bishop No.60Sqdn RFC 1917

Item #32003    1/32 scale (54mm)

 

Regards,

Paul

 

 

 

 

 

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   10-14-2008, 1:12 PM
jgeratic1

Joined on 04-29-2006
ON, Canada
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Re: Knights of the Sky WWI GB 9/29/2007 to 12/31/2008

Hey everyone...

Well I'm building a 1/72 Fokker Dr.I from eduard and have a few questions.

First the cockpit interior, is the pilot's seat wood colour or aluminum (conflicting research results). The interior sides also have a triangular piece of wood panelling, but on the canvas section is the exterior olive streak camou visible from inside? 

Also with the olive streaking, would this pattern be subtlely seen through another colour if the Fokker is, for example, painted red?  Would the streaks be seen on the white background of the black cross?

Thanks for any help.

Jack

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   10-14-2008, 3:27 PM
StephenLawson


Joined on 10-08-2004
Colorado
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Re: Knights of the Sky WWI GB 9/29/2007 to 12/31/2008

 jgeratic1 wrote:
Hey everyone... Well I'm building a 1/72 Fokker Dr.I from eduard and have a few questions.  First the cockpit interior, is the pilot's seat wood colour or aluminum (conflicting research results).

Back of seat aluminum,  base of seat under the parachute pack (acted as cushion) is wood.

 jgeratic1 wrote:
The interior sides also have a triangular piece of wood panelling, but on the canvas section is the exterior olive streak camou visible from inside? 

No the colours did not penetrate to the interior.

 jgeratic1 wrote:
Also with the olive streaking, would this pattern be subtlely seen through another colour if the Fokker is, for example, painted red?  Would the streaks be seen on the white background of the black cross?  Thanks for any help Jack 

Only if the colour covering the streaks was translucent or thinly applied.  No the streaks did not ever show through the white fields or borders of the crosses.


It is a hard world Stachel...unconfirmed by Armee means unconfirmed!!!!
http://www.wwi-n-plastic.com WWI aviation kit reviews
http://aeroscale.kitmaker.net/ see Early Aviation forum.
http://theaerodrome.com See Models and Aircraft forums.


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   10-17-2008, 5:17 PM
More Power Scotty


Joined on 11-19-2005
that state up North
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Re: Knights of the Sky WWI GB 9/29/2007 to 12/31/2008

Stephen,

Hey, what can I say, I am an instructor at a nuclear power plant, I am used to fielding tough questions. Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]  I assumed that there must be some controversy as the old Revell 1/32 scale kit mentions light metalic blue on the box, but dark green streaks in the directions (this is the kit that was molded in blue plastic).  I did enjoy the conversation in the thread that you linked in your response, especially the comment about a blue dope that was sometimes used. 

It seems to me that the closer a kit is manufactured to when the item represented is used, the more accurate the information should be.  In 1965, when my Revell kit was manufactured, there were still WWI veterans around who could have described items far better than a person trying to interpret photographs.  Of course the victors get to write the history books, so I am sure that many items become "lost" over time.

Anyway, I once again thank you for a very informative response.


Scott


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   10-18-2008, 8:18 PM
BGuy


Joined on 08-09-2007
Toronto
Posts 178
Re: Knights of the Sky WWI GB 9/29/2007 to 12/31/2008

Hey Guys,

Mind if I join in with my 1/48 Eduard Nieuport 17?

 

 



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   10-18-2008, 9:25 PM
Daywalker


Joined on 09-08-2003
South Central Wisconsin
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Re: Knights of the Sky WWI GB 9/29/2007 to 12/31/2008
By all means, Sign - Welcome [#welcome]!  Glad to have you aboard.  I've added you to the list on page 1, please feel free to post many, many WIP pics! Big Smile [:D]

Frank
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   10-19-2008, 6:12 AM
StephenLawson


Joined on 10-08-2004
Colorado
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Re: Knights of the Sky WWI GB 9/29/2007 to 12/31/2008
Here is a bit more progress on the 1/32 Fok. D.VI.

It is a hard world Stachel...unconfirmed by Armee means unconfirmed!!!!
http://www.wwi-n-plastic.com WWI aviation kit reviews
http://aeroscale.kitmaker.net/ see Early Aviation forum.
http://theaerodrome.com See Models and Aircraft forums.


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   10-19-2008, 9:37 AM
raptordriver


Joined on 09-30-2006
From Vernal UT OH YEA!!
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Re: Knights of the Sky WWI GB 9/29/2007 to 12/31/2008

Wow Stephen that looks great, you really built alot for the build. 


Andrew
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   10-21-2008, 5:15 PM
BGuy


Joined on 08-09-2007
Toronto
Posts 178
Re: Knights of the Sky WWI GB 9/29/2007 to 12/31/2008

Hey kids--first, thanks for letting me into the GB, secondly, here are some IP snaps:

 (above) - Cockpit done and much of the building completed.  The top wing is held in place with three delicate attachment points (i.e. the cabane struts, without the "V" struts).  I moved quickly through the cockpit phase since it wasn't likely to be highly visible after closing the fuselage (all you can see without a flashlight is the seat and throttle lever.  The brown paint is meant to be pre-shading, but gets lost after I have airbrush/painting trouble that demands numerous white coatings.

 

(above) - Gah-disaster!!  While doing the white coats I moved my airbrush around vigorously at one point and spilled paint directly onto the model!  Note to self: *always* use the colour cup  cap.  Some light sanding and further painting will subsequently ensure I get rid of the splotches.

More progress to come, I hope...

p.s. are we going to roll this GB over into a 2008-09 Knights of the Sky, I hope? I've several more WWI kits in the stash I'd love to share work on



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   10-21-2008, 8:04 PM
Daywalker


Joined on 09-08-2003
South Central Wisconsin
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Re: Knights of the Sky WWI GB 9/29/2007 to 12/31/2008

Stephen and BGuy-

Excellent progress!  I was hoping to build a Dr.I in time for the end of this GB, but other kits are keeping me occupied.  Glad to see people are still building and having fun here, this Gb has brought to light so many new ideas, techniques, and information for me.  I thank you all! Bow [bow]


Frank
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   10-22-2008, 2:31 PM
StephenLawson


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Colorado
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Re: Knights of the Sky WWI GB 9/29/2007 to 12/31/2008
Greetings all for my first post here at FSM I would like to bring your attention to the Dangers of AMS. Dear forumites what follows is the most tragic example of Advanced Modelers Syndrome (AMS.) *I just found this article in our local Newspaper. *A local UPS driver made his usual stop at a home in a Denver suburb. *He noticed that there was a mountain of previous deliveries stacked outside the adjoining garage. *The driver also heard the sound of growling of a small canine in the garage. *Fearing the worst he called the local police, fire & rescue and animal control. *When they opened the garage the grisly sight before them was too bizarre for the local TV news people to broadcast. *Be Warned AMS is Dangerous!*I can hardly bear it...

It is a hard world Stachel...unconfirmed by Armee means unconfirmed!!!!
http://www.wwi-n-plastic.com WWI aviation kit reviews
http://aeroscale.kitmaker.net/ see Early Aviation forum.
http://theaerodrome.com See Models and Aircraft forums.


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