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Natural Metal Finish Mastery.
Posted by Silver on Friday, January 3, 2014 1:19 PM
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Posted by Silver on Friday, January 3, 2014 1:26 PM
Thank you all for letting me in your forum.My mentor was the late Less Sundt a retired fighter pilot who mastered the art of realistic metal finish on plastic model aircraft.Now I will share the secrets which will make it easy with what ever system or product you use ,even with Alclad .
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Posted by Tojo72 on Friday, January 3, 2014 2:14 PM

welcome aboard

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Posted by Misty on Friday, January 3, 2014 3:06 PM
Sounds interesting. Welcome :-)
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Posted by checkmateking02 on Friday, January 3, 2014 6:19 PM

/Welcome to the Forum!

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Silver on Friday, January 3, 2014 11:31 PM
Natural metal Finish system completed from home made water slide decals.A very fast and safe method by using Testors Metalizers and clear decal film sheets.
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Posted by Silver on Saturday, January 4, 2014 1:56 AM
My name is Ben Zayas .
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Posted by Silver on Saturday, January 4, 2014 1:53 PM
Remember not to prime the plastic with any enamel paint primer or acrylic primer when adding the alclad gloss primer.The alclad Metalizer will eat through to the surface of the plastic and destroy your enamel or acrylic prep.The alclad primer will not stop the Metalizer from eating away.Alclad primer only.
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Posted by Misty on Saturday, January 4, 2014 2:24 PM

Alclad primer only? Really? Thats not what it says on their site,

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Posted by Nathan T on Saturday, January 4, 2014 2:30 PM

You make no sense

 

 

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Posted by Silver on Saturday, January 4, 2014 3:18 PM
I respect the feedback.But; I am not shooting down Alclad.I am trying to improve the situation when modelers who add tons of primer to cover imperfections .Getting as close as possible to a flawless construction is the goal .Alclad primers are good ,and alclad primer gray (micro filler) is what I use.Well,alclad Metalizers is the wave of the future and I also enjoy the product.I have to remember that other products are and still available on the market to explore.
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Posted by Silver on Saturday, January 4, 2014 3:46 PM
To all .Enjoy the art of Natural Metal Finish and keep the feedback flowing.Happy modeling.
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Posted by Misty on Saturday, January 4, 2014 4:34 PM

"You make no sense"

so my wife keeps telling me Boo Hoo

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Posted by Silver on Saturday, January 4, 2014 6:31 PM
""Let the games begin""See you at the Nationals.Good luck.
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Posted by panzerpilot on Saturday, January 4, 2014 8:29 PM

You don't have to use alclad primer for NMF. It is good stuff, however Tamiya primer, Mr surface 1200, 1500 etc. is fine. I even know people who use MM gloss black. Yes, laquer 'can' eat into enamel, but at volumes equal to a heavy coating of thinner. Misting, or light coats built up with alclad is not going to affect an enamel primer coat.

-Tom

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Posted by Theuns on Sunday, January 5, 2014 1:23 AM

I have used Alclad pollished allu and airframe allu over Tamiya gloss black enamel with really good results. I found Alclad's gloss black primer not to work well (for me) atall.

Theuns

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Posted by Misty on Sunday, January 5, 2014 2:41 AM

Totaly agree, i use humbrol blsck gloss ensmel for the high shin finishes and anything i fancy for the others. The slclad gloss black never seemed to go off properly,  went down rough,  and didnt polish up too well either. Their grey primer is very good though.

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Posted by Theuns on Sunday, January 5, 2014 7:47 AM

Hey TL, do you still need to polish the grey alclad primer for "allu" or does it go on smooth enough?

Theuns

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Sunday, January 5, 2014 8:24 AM

Silver
Remember not to prime the plastic with any enamel paint primer or acrylic primer when adding the alclad gloss primer.The alclad Metalizer will eat through to the surface of the plastic and destroy your enamel or acrylic prep.The alclad primer will not stop the Metalizer from eating away.Alclad primer only.

 
I suggest you go to their website (http://alclad2.com/) and read from the people that made this product. I recently completed a Seafury which I shot with Testors black gloss enamel from the small bottles and then Alclad Polished Aluminum over it and it produced a beautiful realistic polished metal finish. I also brush Alclad over small unprimed plastic  parts without causing any damage to the plastic. It takes several brush coats to get the look but it works.

 GIFMaker.org_jy_Ayj_O

 

 

Too many models to build, not enough time in a lifetime!!

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Posted by Misty on Sunday, January 5, 2014 9:04 AM

i polish up the grey primer too. you really need a nice flat surface or it just looks like any old acrylic silver. if you are doing a rough cast surface like a car engine then i use mr metal color instead or just tamiya and an oil wash, unless i am after a particular shade, and alclads do lovely stuff.

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Sunday, January 5, 2014 11:01 AM

Correct talentless. The undercoat has to be smooth as glass, no orange peel or roughness and very glossy otherwise the Alclad high shine finish won't look right. When I did my Seafury, I hit a couple of panels with 2400 pads just for panel finish variation and they came out a little dulled as predicted. So for the oxidized look then it doesn't have to be so smooth. I've been reading that a lot of model car modelers remove the chrome off their manufactured chromed parts and shoot gloss black then Alclad Chrome for a realistic finish like for bumpers and bezels.

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Too many models to build, not enough time in a lifetime!!

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Posted by Silver on Sunday, January 5, 2014 2:44 PM
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Posted by Silver on Sunday, January 5, 2014 4:01 PM
I viewed the Alclad site and it presented itself very good.The only thing that I know is that I have never seen an Alclad project place in any contest or exhibition ?I have tried.I placed 3rd all the time w/Alclad.I went from 3rd to 1st place and Best Natural Metal Finish when I used S'n J w/Testors Metalizers , and Floquil.Every modeler has their system on obtaining a realistic finish even in camo.thank you for the advice.See U2 at the nationals.
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Posted by Silver on Sunday, January 5, 2014 4:08 PM
Again thank you and good luck.
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Posted by plasticjunkie on Sunday, January 5, 2014 7:05 PM

I've heard wonderful things about SNJ but unfortunately, Matt Swan is not producing the product. I wish I had ordered that SNJ buffing powder and paint. Floquil Old Silver and Platinum Mist are also pretty good finishes and again, they have been discontinued. It seems that most of the excellent products with great track records are being dropped. Sad

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Too many models to build, not enough time in a lifetime!!

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Posted by Silver on Sunday, January 5, 2014 7:44 PM
Call it luck but I ended up w/ about 150 Snj aluminum buffing powder bottles that are new .I was working part time at a local plastic model shop and ended up with their paint and SN j products when they closed down for good.If you search the internet you may find some bottles avai at hobby shops around the U.S.As for the spray aluminum you can add some of the powder to mineral spirits thinner to creat the same type of paint.The mineral spirits chemically have the same properties .Use 20 or 30% mixture test spray then add more if needed.Let dry about three hrs then buff w/ powder.your base coat is complete.Also Floquil old silver still can be purchased on the internet .I have again a good supply.soon the SN 'J bottles will be worth 100$ each.
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Posted by Silver on Sunday, January 5, 2014 7:52 PM
Reminder to start collecting Alclad now because if they close down in the future,you will then be ok.
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Posted by Silver on Sunday, January 5, 2014 7:54 PM
Be careful .Alclad is not spill proof.
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Posted by Silver on Monday, January 6, 2014 3:08 AM
Warning::When using SN' J powders you best use a respirator and a two way ventilation system or it can cause cancer.That also goes for any metal finish products.i lost three friends because of that..take care.
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Posted by Silver on Monday, January 6, 2014 1:10 PM
One of the reasons that the modeling population scrambled for Alclad is that all other products out on the market are discontinued or rare to get and maintained.
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