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Posted by PFJN on Friday, September 20, 2019 6:16 PM

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I also would like to know why Frank Fletcher is missing from the list.  

 

 

Maybe he will only appear via CGI Tongue Tied

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Posted by B-36Andy on Wednesday, October 23, 2019 9:18 PM

One evening I had the good fortune of having dinner with Gallaher, Kleiss, Gay and a few others. I sure wish I'd taken a tape recorder. It was the first time they had been together since Midway.

I want to see a good SBD dive bombing attack on film--CGI or otherwise. My dad was a dive bomber pilot at the end of WWII.

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Posted by Armor_Aficionado on Thursday, October 24, 2019 1:48 AM

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Wasn't the Tiger in Kelly's Heroes a T-34 in disguise? Some real Shermans there.

If you ever saw Cross of Iron, there are a bunch of T-34/85s running around.

 

Yep, T-34 chassis with a different turret, you can tell immediately by the tracks/road wheels.  And yeah, Cross of Iron has possibly the BEST use of actual WWII tanks in a  WWII film.

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, October 24, 2019 9:40 AM

That’s pretty awesome. I would have loved that. Kleiss has a good part in his book about discovering Kaga and Akagi from 10,000 feet with no fighter cover.

He’s no fan of McCluskey, and what happens next is in dispute. But S6 attacks Kaga and Kleiss remembers thinking that all the drama that has led up to this point renders the death and carnage about to occur to be a perfect attack profile.

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Posted by goldhammer on Thursday, October 24, 2019 11:23 AM

AHC or History just ran the Midway program the other night.  IIRC, Kleiss is the last surviving US pilot from the battle.  He did some commentary on the program.  Was done about 4-5 years ago I think.

I too would have absolutely loved to have been in on that dinner. Like sitting in the wardroom or ready room with them.

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, October 24, 2019 11:31 AM

Dusty died in 2016 at the age of 100. His estate reprinted his book "Never Call Me A Hero" in 2017.

I went to a book signing by his daughter Jill earlier this year. She had some good video interviews with her dad.

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Posted by goldhammer on Thursday, October 24, 2019 11:57 AM

Thanks for the update GM.  Just ordered out a copy.

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Posted by the Baron on Thursday, October 24, 2019 12:04 PM

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I'm about to be brutal about my thought of this movie and that second trailer just confirmed that I will not be paying money to see it.  I'll just play a few rounds of World of Warships on my big TV.  Why pay money to see a 2 hr video game with the story line from Peal Harbor.

The story probably goes like this,

Boy enters manhood with flashbacks of his abusive father

Boy meets girl

Boy sleeps with girl while Pearl Harbor gets bombed

Boy bombs Tokyo

Girl is pregnant

Boy comes home wounded

Baby somehow is now 3 yrs old

Boy flies the SBD like its an X-Wing fighter and becomes an ace shooting down all the Zeros that attacked him

Boy doesn't get along with the cigar chomping admiral who swears a lot and seems to prove that the Admiral cannot make any decisions without him

Boy screams and swears a lot

Boy bombs big Japanese carrier

Boy comes home a hero

Baby is not his

It was his best friends who took a bullet for him from a German sniper

Because boy and best friend also fought in the battle of Britian and at Dunkirk, in that order

I want to write for Hollywood, where all I need to do is write 25 minutes worth of dialog so that the rest of the 95 mintues can be reserved for special effect explosions, fighting, swearing, and in bed hanky panky.

At least this time the SBDs are the correct type and not AT6s, and the CG artists replicated Yorktown Class carriers instead using of a digitized picture of a modernized Esssex class.

Woody Harrelson as Chester Nimitz sounds about as bad as Alec Baldwin playing Doolittle.  

 

 
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Posted by goldhammer on Thursday, October 24, 2019 1:02 PM

Yes, looks to have 7 months of elements rolled into it, but going to see it anyway, even if the Midway scenes are only the 15 to 25 minutes.

I already know it probably won't be that factual.....Hollyweird will twist it around and take liberties to make something that will supposedly make money. 

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Thursday, October 24, 2019 1:33 PM

Hmm, after watching this, I'll wait for it to come out on Netflix or Redbox.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOXWSSfbNTo

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, October 24, 2019 3:05 PM

stikpusher

G I hear you about the CGI visuals of the aircraft. The gamer boys seem to be running that side of the house. 

But looking at the cast, I am hopeful about the script writing, as most of the names listed are actual historical charecters from the battle. It sure does look to be that most of the avaitors are from the Enterprise. And the inclusion of Cdr Brockman of USS Nautilus is a pleasant surprise.

This is from the Wiki page on the movie.

 

That's an interesting cast. Guess I'm not up on modern movies but I haven't heard of any of them other Quaid, Harrelson, Ed Skrein, and Keean Johnson. The latter two were in 'Alita: Battle Angel'. Really interested in seeing Skrein as he grew up in London and has a very heavy British accent. He's not the first guy to fake a US accent but still interested on how he does here.

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Posted by B-36Andy on Thursday, October 24, 2019 9:46 PM

"Never Call Me A Hero" is really a good book--

He mentions our dinner and I was relieved to hear that our hospitality was well thought of by those pilots. I wondered about that over the years.

The time with them was over a period of 2 days. Lots of kidding and remembering of flight  training. They were very modest about the battle. Lots of advice to us young guys about military flying. All complained of horrible back problems--the dive bomber guys--from the extreme G pullouts. Dusty sat next to me and in reading his book I could hear his voice again to us young guys. 

George Gay spent the most time with us---along with the Gasoline Chief on Enterprise. I wish I could remember exactly who else was there. Several could not come. Gallaher was very freindly to us all. A great bunch of guys.

One of them lived on a farm near Ft Collins but I can't remember who. I really would like to get a list of names of who was in each squadron from each of the carriers and who the leaders were. Could someone help me with this?

Dusty's book is the next best thing to being with them during that time---get the book! 

Andy 

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, October 25, 2019 12:12 AM

B-36Andy

 I really would like to get a list of names of who was in each squadron from each of the carriers and who the leaders were. Could someone help me with this? 

I know that I have come across the planes and pilots names for the carrier based squadrons somewhere. But I can't remember where off the top my head right now.

But I can name a few of the Squadron Leaders:

VB-3 Max Leslie

VF-3 John Thach

VT-3 Lance Massey

VS-5 Wally Short

VB-6 D ick Best

VF-6 Jim Gray

VT-6 Gene Lindsey

VS-6 Earl Gallaher 

VT-8 John Waldron

VB-8, VS-8, VF-8 -?

 

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Posted by goldhammer on Friday, October 25, 2019 9:51 AM

Should be rosters of assigned personel somewhere in the records of each squadron on the USN records.  

Might take awhile and don't know what the $$ would be to dig it out on a request to the Navy.

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, October 25, 2019 9:53 AM

VS-6

Officers:

LT Wilmer Earl Gallaher CO.

LT Clarence Earle Dickinson Jr.

LT Frank Anthony Patriarca

LT Reginald Rutherford

LT Charles Rollins Ware MIA 6/4/42

LT Edward Thorpe Deacon

LTJG Norman Jack Kleiss

LTJG Benjamin Henry Troemel

LTJG John Norman West

ENS Robert Keith Campbell

ENS ames Campbell Dexter

ENS Cleo John Dobson

ENS Thomas F. Durkin Jr.

Ensign William Edward Hall

ENS Alden Wilbur Hanson

ENS Richard Alonzo Jaccard

ENS John Cady Lough MIA 6/4/42

ENS John Reginald McCarthy

ENS Milford Austin Merrill

ENS Vernon Larsen Micheel

ENS Franklin Woodrow O'Flaherty Captured 6/4/42, executed 6/15/42

ENS Carl David Peiffer MIA 6/4/42

ENS John Quincy Roberst KIA 6/4/42

ENS William Robinson Pittman

ENS Horace Irvin Proulx

ENS Eldor Ernst Rodenburg

ENS James Arnold Shelton MIA 6/4/42

ENS Reid Wentworth Stone

ENS Clarence Earl Vammen Jr. KIA 6/6/42

- Kleiss 2017, Appendix

 

 

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, October 25, 2019 9:54 AM

goldhammer

Should be rosters of assigned personel somewhere in the records of each squadron on the USN records.  

Might take awhile and don't know what the $$ would be to dig it out on a request to the Navy.

 

They exist. Along with the aircraft flown and disposition of aircrew and aircraft.

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, October 25, 2019 10:05 AM

VS-6

Enlisted Sailors

Thomas Edward Merritt, ACRM

Floyd Delbert Adkins, AMM 2/c

Erwin G. Bailey, AMM 3/c

William Hart Bergin, RM 1/c

Thomas James Bruce, Sea 2/c

Milton Wayne Clarke, AMM 2/c KIA 6/6/42

David Bruce Craig, RM 3/c MIA 6/4/42

Ferdinand Joseph Cupples, RM 1/c

John Dewey Dance, RM 3/c

Joseph Ferdinand DeLuca, RM 1/c

Bruno Peter Gaido AMM 1/c Captured 6/4/42, executed 6/15/42

Louis Dale Hanson, RM 3/c MIA 6/4/42

Donald Hoff, RM 3/c

Earl Edward Howell, RM 2/c

Roy L. Hoss, RM 3/c

Frederick Charles Jeck, RM 3/c MIA 6/4/42

Porter William Pixley, RM 3/c

John Warren Snowden, RM 3/c

William Henry Stambaugh, RM 1/c MIA 6/4/42

Alfred R. Stitzelberger, RM 2/c

Thurman Randolph Swindell, AOM 1/c KIA 6/4/42

-Kleiss 2017, Appendix

 

 

 

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Posted by B-36Andy on Friday, October 25, 2019 12:10 PM

Thanks guys---

At this Midway reunion there were 15-20 in attendance.

Andy

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Posted by richs26 on Friday, October 25, 2019 12:58 PM

stikpusher

 

 
goldhammer

Should be rosters of assigned personel somewhere in the records of each squadron on the USN records.  

Might take awhile and don't know what the $$ would be to dig it out on a request to the Navy.

 

 

 

They exist. Along with the aircraft flown and disposition of aircrew and aircraft.

 

The After Action Reports for both Midway and Coral Sea are available online.  Just google for them.

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Posted by the Baron on Friday, October 25, 2019 1:36 PM

GMorrison

VS-6

Bruno Peter Gaido AMM 1/c Captured 6/4/42, executed 6/15/42

More accurate to say that Gaido and his pilot were murdered.

If I remember correctly, the skipper of the destroyer that picked them up would have been tried as a war criminal but he didn't survive.  Or that might have been the skipper of the destroyer that picked up Ensign Osmus, who was also murdered by the Japanese.

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Posted by richs26 on Friday, October 25, 2019 2:01 PM

Here is an excellent 8 part documentary on Midway based on Shattered Sword:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHhlR-Cxheg&list=PLw9X_X7UNQvLPMGkOFCAxD9o5JZzOt9Z5

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Posted by richs26 on Friday, October 25, 2019 2:04 PM

One of the trailers I saw shows Japanese twin engined aircraft bombing and going kamikaze on a US carrier which is complete rubbish.

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, October 25, 2019 2:41 PM

richs26

One of the trailers I saw shows Japanese twin engined aircraft bombing and going kamikaze on a US carrier which is complete rubbish.

 

That occurred during one of the early 1942 raids in the Gilberts & Marshall's. Bruno Gaido jumped into the gunners mount on a tied down SBD and fired on the bomber which then just missed the ship and clipped off the tail of the SBD. He was credited with saving Enterprise from actually being hit by the bomber.

 

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, October 25, 2019 3:13 PM

That sounds like it fits into the story arc of the movie.

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, October 25, 2019 3:16 PM

the Baron

 

 
GMorrison

VS-6

Bruno Peter Gaido AMM 1/c Captured 6/4/42, executed 6/15/42

 

 

More accurate to say that Gaido and his pilot were murdered.

Not really. I'm quoting from the book, and either way he was killed by the Japanese.

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, October 25, 2019 3:51 PM

GMorrison

That sounds like it fits into the story arc of the movie.

 

Exactly. The previews lead me to think it's gonna show events from Pearl Harbor to Midway mainly from the Enterprise perspective, using actual historical personages. The 1976 film concentrated more from the Yorktown perspective for the USN at sea scenes, and came up with fictitous characters to do so. 

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Friday, October 25, 2019 4:03 PM

stikpusher

 

 
richs26

One of the trailers I saw shows Japanese twin engined aircraft bombing and going kamikaze on a US carrier which is complete rubbish.

 

 

 

That occurred during one of the early 1942 raids in the Gilberts & Marshall's. Bruno Gaido jumped into the gunners mount on a tied down SBD and fired on the bomber which then just missed the ship and clipped off the tail of the SBD. He was credited with saving Enterprise from actually being hit by the bomber.

 

 

The bomber was a G3M Nell, the predecessor to the G4M Betty.

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, October 25, 2019 4:13 PM

 

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Posted by Aggieman on Friday, November 8, 2019 11:05 PM

I just got home from seeing this movie.

If you have any interest whatsoever in WWII US Naval action, go see this one.  I've read Shattered Sword, as well as a couple of other books on Midway, and as far as my amateur historian self can tell, this movie is as accurate as one can expect out of Hollywood.  Now, there are always rivet counters who will claim that a Devastator would not be fitted out with both a torpedo and the two wing-mounted bombs.  Probably so, but something like that should not impact one's enjoyment of the film.

The G3M Nell bombers come in February 1942 when the USN attacked an island in the Marshalls.  That sequence was not rubbish.  They do depict the airman who the Japanese executed.  And the movie covers a lot of ground - from Pearl Harbor to Midway.  It's the first time I recall seeing a movie with anything regarding Coral Sea being depicted.  Not a long sequence, but more to set the stage for the coming battle at Midway, with the USN losing the original Lexington there and the Yorktown heavily damaged.

I think the depiction of the Dauntless dive bombing was probably incorrect, as I believe they did not all dive en masse (I do stand to be corrected here), and I'm doubting that the Japanese could put up the heavy AA fire as depicted.  But visually, it is quite fantastic.  Think of the original Star Wars when the X-Wings dove into the trench; they managed to capture that same pit-of-your-stomach feel for the many dives the US took on the Japanese carriers.

I really enjoyed the movie, and now seriously want to build a Dauntless or even a Devastator (but unfortunately, I have two Monogram B-29s on my bench right now, so there is no room for anything else; heck, there is not really room for both those Superforts either).

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, November 9, 2019 10:23 AM

Looking on IMDB the reviews are pretty favorable for the most part. The biggest gripes look to be about the CGI. 

But yes, the doctine was for SBDs to dive in sections or in trail, one after the  next, not en masse. 

 

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