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Kaga Wreck Found
Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, October 20, 2019 8:34 PM

Last week, the wreck of Kaga was located on the ocean floor and photographed off of Midway.

https://www.foxnews.com/science/wreck-japanese-aircraft-carrier-discovered-battle-of-midway

 

Today, a second carrier wreck, either Soryu or Akagi was also announced to have been found.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/science/warship-wwii-battle-of-midway-pearl-harbor-second-japanese-carrier

 

Amazing stuff!

 

 

 

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Posted by Tojo72 on Sunday, October 20, 2019 8:46 PM

Saw it on Steelnavy,thanks for posting,really cool stuff.I have a Ballard book on Midway,guess we will need a revision.

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Posted by Mopar Madness on Sunday, October 20, 2019 8:52 PM

I'm looking forward to seeing the deck and plane pics if any aircraft survived the descent down. 

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, October 20, 2019 9:00 PM

Mopar Madness

I'm looking forward to seeing the deck and plane pics if any aircraft survived the descent down. 

 

I imagine that the wooden decks and most of the air wings on board were destroyed in the ensuing fires and detonation of ordnance on the midday and afternoon of June 4th. But it would be fantastic if they did find any aircraft wrecks in the area on the sea floor.

Now if they find Hiryu... she looked in fairly decent condition when photographed before she sank, not having the fully fueled and armed full air wings on her decks when she was hit in the evening.

 

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Posted by goldhammer on Sunday, October 20, 2019 10:41 PM

The 3rd will turn up soon.....all 3 went down in the same general area.  Hiryu might take a little longer to locate as she had moved some before being attacked.

 

Kind of fitting that they are located now with the new Midway movie coming out in a couple of weeks or so.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Sunday, October 20, 2019 10:55 PM

I feel another wreck build coming.

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, October 20, 2019 11:24 PM

Well Akagi had the island on the port side, Soryu on the starboard side so that should help.

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Posted by goldhammer on Sunday, October 20, 2019 11:25 PM

modelcrazy

I feel another wreck build coming.

 

Got your early planning done for the Japanese ship GB done I see...Big Smile

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, October 20, 2019 11:35 PM

LOL!

 

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, October 21, 2019 7:42 AM

That's friggin' amazing! Still impresses me that people can find stuff like that in the great dark abyss that is the ocean floor. 

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, October 21, 2019 8:53 AM

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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Posted by Tojo72 on Monday, October 21, 2019 9:11 AM
I remember reading in Shattered Sword that internal explosions wrecked Kaga pretty bad until she finally sunk,some might remember the artist rendition,will be interesting to see

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, October 21, 2019 9:39 AM

GMorrison

Well Akagi had the island on the port side, Soryu on the starboard side so that should help.

 

Not to mention the stack arrangment, and Akagi being substantially larger than Soryu. Akagi was like Lexington or Saratoga in size, while Soryu was smaller like Wasp.

Tony, I’ve been thinking the same thing about the drawing image of Kaga in Shattered Sword. If you think of how badly damaged that Bunker Hill or Franklin were in 1945 when they were hit under similar conditions (armed & fueled squadrons of aircraft on deck), and were able to survive, I can only imagine what Akagi, Kaga, and Soryu look like.

 

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U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

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Posted by goldhammer on Monday, October 21, 2019 9:52 AM

I also seem to remember that we had the ability to drain the avaition fuel lines and flood with CO2 when we knew an attack was coming.  IIRC the IJN didn't have that ability then.

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, October 21, 2019 10:19 AM

According to this article, the plan is to survey the entire Midway battle area and locate all of the sunken ships and downed aircraft. That is a massive area to cover...

 

https://news.usni.org/2019/10/18/video-wreck-discovered-of-wwii-japanese-carrier-key-to-pearl-harbor-attack

 

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Posted by scottrc on Monday, October 21, 2019 11:39 AM

modelcrazy

I feel another wreck build coming.

 

Using your Akagi kit?  hee heeBig Smile

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Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, October 21, 2019 12:08 PM

scottrc

 

 
modelcrazy

I feel another wreck build coming.

 

 

 

Using your Akagi kit?  hee heeBig Smile

 

My 1/350? No way! It'd be my 1/700 kit of either the Kaga or Akagi.

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Posted by scottrc on Monday, October 21, 2019 1:09 PM

modelcrazy

 

 
scottrc

 

 
modelcrazy

I feel another wreck build coming.

 

 

 

Using your Akagi kit?  hee heeBig Smile

 

 

 

My 1/350? No way! It'd be my 1/700 kit of either the Kaga or Akagi.

 

Yup, I was eluding to your 1/350 kit my friend. But a dio in 1/700 would be awsome. 

I read a USA today at lunch and the SONAR photos of the Akagi show that the hull could be in tact and a burned out shell.  That might make it easy for a diorama.  Its tough when the hull is in many pieces scattered over a few miles.

That had to be one well built ship.  

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, October 21, 2019 1:27 PM

Akagi... 18,000 feet below the surface. 

 

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

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Posted by Tojo72 on Monday, October 21, 2019 1:56 PM
Outstanding !!!

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Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, October 21, 2019 2:20 PM

Where did you get that picture Stick?

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, October 21, 2019 2:37 PM

modelcrazy

Where did you get that picture Stick?

 

Thats on the BBC article

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-50124313

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

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N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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Posted by ikar01 on Monday, October 21, 2019 7:52 PM

 

i built the Akagi for a friend...I couild'nt afford it.  There's a lot of parts in that kit.  As I went along, I kept remembering that she was a converted battlecruiser that gained 10,000 tons in the process.  The way certaings were done and things added, I started to call it the IJN Afterthought.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by goldhammer on Monday, October 21, 2019 11:47 PM

She looks to have landed virtually verticle. Doesn't show much bottom disturbance other than a good size "splash" zone.

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Posted by Eagle90 on Tuesday, October 22, 2019 5:56 AM

stikpusher

Akagi... 18,000 feet below the surface. 

 

 

18,000 feet!!!!  It's hard to fathom (pun not intended but appropiate) that kinda depth.  Think of an aircraft flying at 18,000 feet.  

This is really cool history here!

 

 

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Posted by Tickmagnet on Tuesday, October 22, 2019 6:26 AM

Very interesting considering the movie is just about to release and it looks like it will be a good one too.

 

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Tuesday, October 22, 2019 7:13 AM

Nothing of the flight deck left, some hanger spaces but it looks gutted. I wish I could see a closser picture.

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Posted by M4Shermanmodeler on Tuesday, October 22, 2019 9:14 AM

All these discoveries lead to some solemn thoughts about the men of both sides who fought so valiantly on these long dead ships. To be trapped below decks on a burning World War II aircraft carrier is the most terrifying thing I can imagine; yet they held to their stations. To those who fell and to those who survived go the highest honors. As we near the anniversary of the Battle of the Santa Cruz Islands, yet another desperate moment in the desperate year of 1942; it strikes me that the war in the Pacific was fought by soldiers, sailors, airman and marines of great courage on both sides. Uncommon valor was indeed a common virtue. 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:23 AM

The commander of US naval forces in Japan wrote a nice sentiment after the discovery of the Kaga.

“On the occasion of the discovery of the Kaga, we send our thoughts and prayers to our trusted and valued friends in Japan. The terrible price of war in the Pacific was felt by all our navies. From that painful lesson, we have become the closest of allies and friends committed to maintaining a free and open Indo-Pacific,” Rear Adm. Brian Fort, commander of U.S. naval forces in Japan

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:27 AM

modelcrazy

Nothing of the flight deck left, some hanger spaces but it looks gutted. I wish I could see a closser picture.

 

Yes, I am looking forward to seeing the close up photos like those that were taken of Lexington, Wasp, and Hornet. 

 

M4, the Akagi’s engineers story is tragic indeed. IIRC from reading, they were cut off from evacuating their positions by the flames fairly soon after the ship was hit, but they were able to provide power. In early to mid afternoon though the engines stopped, and it was surmised that they had died due to heat or suffocation. But later in the afternoon the engines started turning again for awhile. If you’ve ever read the account of the Hiryu engineers who were able to escape, it is not hard to surmise that the engineer crews of the other carriers lost had similar experiences, but did not survive to tell their tales.  

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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