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American Sniper
Posted by CodyJ on Saturday, January 24, 2015 4:23 AM

Just saw American Sniper this evening.  Anyone else see it?   What did you think?   

PS- Best keep politics/controversy out of this.  Just want to know how you saw it?  Hollywood-ish? Accurate?  Accurate w/ a side of Hollywood?  

Not sure it was a movie you can say you thought was fun or "enjoyable".  It left me with the Schindler's List feeling.   One that was certainly good to see (and should be seen, in my opinion) but I wouldn't watch over and over (it was certainly sad and made you feel for a lot of our guys and Allies).  It delivered a message.  It was intense and fairly powerful in parts. 

I was impressed with their portrayal of the PTSD he faced when at home.  Though mine isnt combat related I have it from a wreck where I was ejected from a truck.  Combat related has to be the worst in my opinion.  When they show him seeing or hearing things and his mind makes the connection.  Suddenly the feelings come back and its tough to make it leave you mind.  Your head tells you its fine but your emotions are feeling something you know isn't really happening.   For me it's Hospital rooms and the style of truck I was in.  I hate seeing those things. For these guys it can be literally anything they saw, heard or felt.  I am thankful that the impact of what these guys see and feel is being brought into the open finally.  They deserve any help they need or want.  

This guys story has a sad ending the way it unfolded.  I wont blow for you though if you dont know!   Nobody left when the credits rolled.  Nobody talked.  People were sniffling.  

Eastwood may be a little cooky but damn... can he direct a movie!

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Posted by Devil Dawg on Saturday, January 24, 2015 10:30 AM

Haven't seem it yet, but from all the comments being made about it in the media, I am definitely gonna see it. I was planning on seeing it anyway, due to it being one of Clint's babies.

I can tell you one thing, though - most (if not all) of the negative comments are coming from people who have never been in combat OR the military. Contrary to popular belief, us military types who have trained for combat KNOW what we're gonna face if we have to go, and we do not want to go to war unless we absolutely have to. All the non-military types who think that we love war, that we just have this over-whelming urge to be in battle, have got it all wrong. I have trained for war, and have been in a combat zone (1st Persian Gulf war), but have never seen combat (thank goodness). But, I would still go if I was needed. I would go to help defend this great nation that we live in, and to keep it great. And all of my fellow Marines, soldiers, sailors, Coast Guardsmen, and airmen, I think, would whole-heartedly agree with me on that.

Rant is over. Hope I didn't get the thread locked for that........

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Posted by goldhammer on Saturday, January 24, 2015 10:37 AM

Have not seen it, but read the book prior to Chris' passing.  Plan on going.

He did a job that has to be done at times, and had the skill set to do it well.

I agree with DD on the ones tearing it down, they have no idea of what service is like, and that I would gladly take up the colors again if asked. 

I can only hope the Moore has space reserved in the same warm room as Fonda, who I will never forgive.

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, January 24, 2015 11:54 AM

I'm looking forward to seeing this movie. That's all I have to say for now.

 

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Posted by jelliott523 on Saturday, January 24, 2015 12:00 PM

Havent seen it yet, looking forward to it.  I've heard from several people who have seen it that at the end of the movie, nobody leaves for the credits and the entire theater is silent, no talking even on the way out.

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Posted by the doog on Saturday, January 24, 2015 12:08 PM

Haven't seen it; the boss said "no"; din't seem like her kinda movie. I'll probably rent it at some point when she's away for the weekend on a girl's weekend.

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Posted by Tojo72 on Saturday, January 24, 2015 1:27 PM

Cody,thanks for some well thought out comments.I look forward to seeing it also.

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, January 24, 2015 1:34 PM

the doog

Haven't seen it; the boss said "no"; din't seem like her kinda movie. I'll probably rent it at some point when she's away for the weekend on a girl's weekend.

Boy that sounds familiar... WinkWhistling

 

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Posted by CodyJ on Saturday, January 24, 2015 2:15 PM

I can see females and even guys too that may find it pretty intense.  You could tell many couples came for a date night.  I wouldn't suggest that.  The taliban/civi operations and encounters are pretty intense and brutal.  There is a part that is portraying the barbarity of the Taliban upon the villagers in the towns.  Wont say what happens other than it was....  yeah

But yeah saw a lot of couples there.   Some fairly young.  The girls looked teary and and upset.  Us dudes just looked stunned as we left.

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Posted by pordoi on Saturday, January 24, 2015 4:55 PM

A lot of the criticism that I've seen pertained to the historical aspects of the film and the context that the conflict was presented in, rather than criticism against the men and women who were called to serve.  The critics make some valid points but seem to ignore the artistic license that is usually present in these types of films.  I've not yet seen anybody claim that the film was fully historically accurate, or intended to be.  Afterall, it's Hollywood and the business is entertainment. 

Don

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Posted by MJames70 on Saturday, January 24, 2015 11:54 PM

People seem too eager to assume that war hero = good & noble person. You don't have to look back very far to another case that had much closer ties to the hobby industry, based on the number of 'Showtime 100' models that used to get made....

Randall "Duke' Cunningham served his country courageously and skillfully in Vietnam, including the mission where 3 MiGs were downed. Years later, in another position of public trust as a U.S. Congressman, he betrayed that trust to a degree that is still shocking.

Before all the flag wavers go off on me as just another hero bashing post to tear people down, serving the country in the military is a fine and noble pursuit. I have a friend's son who as a Navy Corpsman is in Liberia working to contain Ebola. I couldn't be more proud of what he is doing. But military service is not a free pass to other bad behavior. Just like anyone else, service members come in all stripes. It is entirely possible that Chris Kyle was both a war hero, and a liar. One does not excuse the other....

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Posted by Raualduke on Sunday, January 25, 2015 1:52 AM

It's got a lot of bad press. I'll reserve comment till I've seen it.but snipers are a necessary evil in combat

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Posted by CodyJ on Sunday, January 25, 2015 2:02 AM

Yup they are a very necessary asset to their fellow squad and others too.  

One thing I didn't mention was the audio and visuals for the weapons/damage were very good.  No ridiculous explosions and guns that sound like 22's.  

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, January 25, 2015 12:07 PM

To paraphrase Pappy..." If this story was to have a moral, just name a hero, and I'll prove he's a bum"

Real heroes truly are complex charecters, not black and white cut outs.

 

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Posted by BlackTulip109 on Sunday, January 25, 2015 4:06 PM

I saw it and it's an outstanding film. Very true to life. I had a knot in my stomach most of the film.

Acting is outstanding!!!

Don't believe negative hype I learned long ago not to trust the "Red Diaper Doper Baby" types. This film gives good account of what our troops undergo to protect us.. I have had the "privilege"  to work with vets during my medical training I have very deep respect for them.

See the film!!!

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Sunday, January 25, 2015 4:38 PM

Heh - doog, my wife wants to see it as well as I. She and my 11 year old son even wants to see Unbroken too.

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, January 25, 2015 10:48 PM
goldhammer

Have not seen it, but read the book prior to Chris' passing.  Plan on going.

He did a job that has to be done at times, and had the skill set to do it well.

I agree with DD on the ones tearing it down, they have no idea of what service is like, and that I would gladly take up the colors again if asked. 

I can only hope the Moore has space reserved in the same warm room as Fonda, who I will never forgive.

Isn't the whole point of defense to allow everyone to be able to express an opinion? The irony here confuses me. Better to let folks tie their shoe laces together when they get up in the morning and do a face plant than wish them I'll. And just to be clear, the criticism isn't just from the red diaper doper Michael Moore left wing nut side. I haven't seen it but don't plan to, simply because I believe it's well made and sounds to be sincere and honest, but would deeply disturb my already fragile grip on trying to be positive about anything anymore. I do think the outing if you will of the pervasiveness of PTSD is long long overdue and can only bring good to the world. I've lived through a society that has dealt with the last three major case loads- WW2; Vietnam and now the Gulf Wars. It's very clear to me that the perception has gone from cowardice to a feeling that folks couldn't handle it; to a real concern about what the consequences of extreme violence can be. And I question the wisdom of taking an 11 year old to see it.

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Posted by goldhammer on Monday, January 26, 2015 8:40 AM

I will agree whole heartedly on the freedom to disagree, but when that disagreement turn traitorus as in Fonda's case, or is nothing but a continious tirade against everything in this country as in Moore's case, they ought to just get out, renounce their citizenship and never return.  They have gone past the point of disagreement IMO.

And since they have the freedom do do what they do, and I have done the deed, I also have the freedom to express my eternal dislike, and in some cases even more for what they think they stand for.

And you forgot the fourth case load----Korea, and particuarly the Chosin Few.  I am reminded of them every time one vehicle comes into the shop, as the plate on her car was issued to one of the survivors of that march.  And I don't charge her for my time on her car when the boss allows it.

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Monday, January 26, 2015 9:56 AM

GMorrison -

I don't plan on taking my son to see American Sniper since it's rated R. However, Unbroken is rated PG-13 so I have no problem taking him if he wishes to see it.

PS - Michael Moore is an idiot anyways.

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Posted by the doog on Tuesday, January 27, 2015 9:36 PM

GMorrison
goldhammer

Have not seen it, but read the book prior to Chris' passing.  Plan on going.

He did a job that has to be done at times, and had the skill set to do it well.

I agree with DD on the ones tearing it down, they have no idea of what service is like, and that I would gladly take up the colors again if asked. 

I can only hope the Moore has space reserved in the same warm room as Fonda, who I will never forgive.

  ...the red diaper doper Michael Moore left wing nut side.

Whaa?? Is there really such a thing?!? lol Propeller

Do you have coordinates for my Garmin? Big Smile ha ha

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Posted by CodyJ on Saturday, January 31, 2015 11:55 PM

Nah man.  You dont want to visit.  Too hot.

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, February 1, 2015 1:20 AM

I didn't forget Korea, my dad did his service 1950-1954 but was stateside the whole time, a weekend warrior, National Guard units went over first in that conflict and were really carved up, BTW. My father-in-law declined to attend the ceremony for his second Bronze Star in 1952 because he figured he'd be shipped out. Had fought his war in ETO, 4 years there. Adequately served his country I think.

What Jane Fonda stands for or stood for I couldn't say. Married to both Tom Hayden and Ted Turner? Me thinks it's all about the attention. But she's just one person.

MM on the other hand gets it out there with an agenda. Never mind if he's right or wrong; it's obvious the man has a passion and he connects with it.

Coolidge did come up with the love it or leave it quote. Consider though, isn't it better to love it and/or change it?

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, February 1, 2015 1:23 AM

Doog I have no idea what your coordinates are, probably Greece right now.

Rock and Roll.

Listening to Diana Krall on NPR the other day flaking her new album.

What do your kids listen to, jazz?

"Currently they are practicing "Smoke on the Water"!"

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Posted by Devil Dawg on Sunday, February 1, 2015 2:14 PM

Just recently read about Jane Fonda (I've forgotten where I read this) offering an apology of sorts for her actions in Viet Nam. It might've been on-line somewhere. Anyways, she said the photo of her on the AAA battery was a set-up. She had no idea they were gonna take a photo of her sitting there. She had asked to sit down, the soldiers guided her over there (she wasn't paying attention to where she was being guided), and before she noticed what she was sitting on, they snapped the picture. Could be true... Maybe not.

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Posted by fox on Monday, February 2, 2015 4:11 PM

Saw the movie last night with the wife.  I loved the movie but the extreme violence and language was too much for her.  I asked her ahead of time if she was sure she wanted to go.  I wouldn't advise anyone to bring a girlfriend(she might not talk to you again) or young kids to the movie. It will have an effect on them.

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Monday, February 23, 2015 11:09 AM

OOOOH-RAAH ! !

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Monday, February 23, 2015 11:16 AM

HI !

    My Step-Grandfather was in CHOSIN , A place Frozen in many Korean War vets minds .( No Pun intended or given ) .  He positively would NOT speak about it . Then I came back from the little fooferrah in the TONKIN Gulf where my ship was involved .

   Then , he told me what happened there .

His comment was that I had to #$%@ my pants in facing enemy fire , Before I would understand . I think he was right too !    T.B.

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Posted by Devil Dawg on Monday, February 23, 2015 11:04 PM

Finally saw the movie last weekend. Extremely impressive. Gotta read the book now.

Devil Dawg

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Posted by CodyJ on Wednesday, February 25, 2015 3:49 AM

Agreed I'd like to do that as well!

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Posted by Digital_Cowboy on Monday, March 2, 2015 10:10 PM

Devil Dawg

Haven't seem it yet, but from all the comments being made about it in the media, I am definitely gonna see it. I was planning on seeing it anyway, due to it being one of Clint's babies.

I can tell you one thing, though - most (if not all) of the negative comments are coming from people who have never been in combat OR the military. Contrary to popular belief, us military types who have trained for combat KNOW what we're gonna face if we have to go, and we do not want to go to war unless we absolutely have to. All the non-military types who think that we love war, that we just have this over-whelming urge to be in battle, have got it all wrong. I have trained for war, and have been in a combat zone (1st Persian Gulf war), but have never seen combat (thank goodness). But, I would still go if I was needed. I would go to help defend this great nation that we live in, and to keep it great. And all of my fellow Marines, soldiers, sailors, Coast Guardsmen, and airmen, I think, would whole-heartedly agree with me on that.

Rant is over. Hope I didn't get the thread locked for that........

DD,

     I agree, my first Duty Station was Camp Casey, S. Korea which even though it wasn't an active comabt zone I did receive hazzardous duty pay.  Then my next Duty Station was Ft. Riley, Ks, where my Unit came down on orders for Desert Storm/Shield.

     Even though my Unit 1/3 FA came down on orders to go over, I had to stay behind because of needed eye surgery.  Although sadly, I'd heard more than one solider talking about how their parents were telling them not to go, and that they'd "protect" them.

     I'm sorry, but there is no way that "mommy and daddy" could have protected them from a charge of desertion and a dishonorable discharge.

     We signed up to do a job, and that job included the very possiblity that we would not only might have to go to war, but that we'd have to lay down our lives for our country.  As a good friend of mine has said, that is the blank check that we all signed when we enlisted.

     Also anyone who has heard Chyrl Wright's song "The Bumber of My SUV," all of the Soliders, Airmen, Saliors, and Marines had it right.  As did you, we do NOT want war but we are willing to do what is needed to protect our nation and it's freedoms.

     You should see the size of the new MHC that they're building Bay Pines, "my VA."  Mental Health is going to have it's only MULTI floor building.

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