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The Forgotten War of 1812

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Monday, July 11, 2016 9:25 AM

That sounds interesting, Don.

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  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Monday, July 11, 2016 8:32 AM

If I remember right, Fulton's Demologos (sp?) was not ironclad, but had very thick framing and planking to withstand shot. It was steam powered.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Sunday, July 10, 2016 10:10 PM

Hi Don. To the best my recollection they did not talk about Fultons steam warship.

According to the video, the first ironclad was made as far back as the tenth century. The Vikings made one called the Iron Beard. Later, it was the French that started building ironclads to get an advantage against the British. Soon after, the British took France to task by building the HMS Warrior. The HMS Warrior is both ironclad and steam powered, with larger guns capable of firing exploding shells.

As far as the American references, it was all about their use in the American Civil War. It was very interesting. You wouldn't want to be the guys manning those things. They were extremely loud, hot, and they had terrible ventilation. At times they could barely see what they were doing through the cabin filled smoke. If the ship sinks, you are pretty much a goner. 

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Sunday, July 10, 2016 1:30 PM

Interesting. I'll have to find that DVD at my local library.

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Sunday, July 10, 2016 12:51 PM

If they talked about Civil War ironclads, did they also talk about Fulton's steam warship (though I don't know if it ever actually got up steam during war- I think it was just used as a floating battery).  Still, to my knowledge, it was the first steam warship.  The Brits had steam tugs for their navy, but I don't believe they had any actual steam warships- nothing with guns.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by Bakster on Saturday, July 9, 2016 6:04 PM

Tojo, exactly. That battle was incredibly lopsided. If I have my numbers right... something like 13 American fighters killed, over 2000 British killed. This was England's elite force. They just came from winning the war against Napoleon. They were battle tested and experts. The American force was a ragtag outfit and they miraculously decimated them. The video lists the English ranks of those lost in that battle and it is truly jaw dropping. It is astounding.

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Posted by Tojo72 on Saturday, July 9, 2016 5:45 PM

How about the most famous battle,the Battle of New Orleans being fought almost a month after the treaty was signed due to poor communications.

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Posted by Bakster on Saturday, July 9, 2016 5:30 PM

"Thank you for the suggestion, Steve. I never watch the History Channel, so I didn't know about this one. I will definitely look it up."


You are welcome sir. I was thinking of you when I posted this. Particlulary with regard to the ships. It was really interesting to see the development of ironclads and how they fared in battle. I think you would enjoy all of it, really.

 
 

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Posted by Bakster on Saturday, July 9, 2016 5:22 PM

Ikar, that could be. It is incredible to realize that they burned the White House to the ground, and most of the city of Washington was set ablaze. If it not for a sudden and terrible hurricane that sprang up, it would have been leveled. In one breath the storm doused the fires, and then trounced the English force that started the fire. If that was not enough, a tornado sprang up and traveled straight down the city into their encampment. The storm killed more of their soldiers than the American forces that ultimately ran from them. There were some very odd things that happened in this war. In fact, the video says that it was as if the finger of God wiped them out. There is much more.

Yes, a lot of history there. I totally agree. I want to get out there and see all these things.

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Posted by GMorrison on Saturday, July 9, 2016 12:22 PM

Thank you for the suggestion, Steve. I never watch the History Channel, so I didn't know about this one. I will definitely look it up.

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Posted by ikar01 on Saturday, July 9, 2016 12:12 PM

I think I cought part of it on the History Channel some time back.  The burned down the White House and the marks are still on the foundation, but the biggest thing that reminds me of that was is sitting in Boston Harbor.  I wish I could go up there and see it once.

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The Forgotten War of 1812
Posted by Bakster on Saturday, July 9, 2016 10:35 AM

A few years back I had purchased a DVD set called, The War of 1812. This was produced by the History Channel. If you come across this little gem, you might want to consider buying it. I think it is out of production now but they can still be found on the internet.

It is a 2 DVD set. The first DVD documents the War of 1812 and in my opinion, it is beautifully filmed. You really get a feel of that time period, and it fills you with a sense of awe at how the events transpired. I learned a lot about this war and it's significance by watching this video. As the scholars they interviewed stated, the war of 1812 galvanized the American people into a Nation. One goes as far to say that the outcome of this war marks the true American Independence Day.  

The second DVD has content that includes more detailed information about the Battle for New Orleans. Other content includes the history and development of ironclad ships, and how they were used in the American Civil War. Lastly, they outline what life was like living on the warships of that time, and they give a little history about Oliver Perry's miraculous victory against the British in the Battle of Lake Erie.

For people with kids, this is a great learning tool. For adults, it is a great reminder of our early American history. The DVD is full of reenactments, excellent illustrations, and even some actual photos from when photography made its day. The latter being mostly Civil War era. For ship lovers, the Ironclads segment is really something to enjoy.

One note: Roger Daltrey does the segment about what life was like on board of the ships of that time, and this also includes a brief synopsis of Oliver Perry's battles. Daltrey uses some bad language and off color jokes that are not suitable for kids. That is a real shame because the rest of the material is really informative. From cooking, sleeping, fighting, tying knots, and even climbing the rigging to set the sails. 

For me, this is a real gem, and I pull it out once a year to remind myself of the immense sacrifices that were made that give us the freedom that we now enjoy. I seem to enjoy it more with each years viewing.

For what it is worth.

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