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Hunting Hitler
Posted by Bakster on Friday, December 2, 2016 11:15 AM

Greetings Folks. Hunting Hitler is a show that is now in its second season, and it's aired on the History Channel. I picked up on the show late in the first season. To be honest, when I had first seen the promotions for the show I had thought, great, another silly reality show. My curiosity got the best of me though. When I had finally viewed the show, I became hooked.

The premise of the show is that Hitler did not die by suicide. Rather, that he was secreted out of Germany and lived his life hidden in Argentina. It is a well-known fact that Argentina has been sympathetic to the Nazi's. The analysts on the show seem to do a nice forensic study of all the evidence. They have found declassified FBI documents showing that after the war the US was heartily trying to locate Hitler, and that the trail lead them to Argentina. They even found documentation from the Nuremburg trial that a German pilot testified that he had flown Hitler out of Germany.

The shows follow-up investigations include interviewing Argentineans, and following up on the feasibility to secret Hitler out of Germany. Some of these interviews are with people that claim to have seen Hitler in Argentina after the war. They even uncovered evidence that Hitlers right hand man, Martin Bormann, had survived the war as well. It has always been believed that Bormann was killed at the end of the war.

It certainly makes one think and it's a fascinating study.

 

 

 

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Posted by Buckeye on Friday, December 2, 2016 11:21 AM

I got hooked on this last season.  Like you I thought what a dumb show this is going to be but they sure do come up with some interesting facts and theories!

Mike

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Posted by Nathan T on Friday, December 2, 2016 11:25 AM

Ehhh, the networks are just grasping for programing these days. And don't you mean "she" would have flown Hitler out of Berlin? She being Hana Reich? She being His and other Nazi's personal pilot? There is much stronger evidence that the Soviets found what was left of the body And took it for examination and re buried it. They have skull fragments with a bullet hole. Has that evidence been discussed in this new Documentary?

 

 

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, December 2, 2016 11:32 AM

Interesting, I watched an episode or two back in the first season but it wasn't as much fun as the gleefully insane 'Ancient Anal Probes' so I didn't follow it. I may have to give it another chance. 

As Nathan said until I see proof otherwise I'll believe the Soviets hauled his sorry carcass back to Moscow where Stalin probably used his skull as a spitoon. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by 7474 on Friday, December 2, 2016 11:36 AM
A few episodes ago they discussed the skull and that a DNA analysis was conducted, only to find it's from a female. One of their biggest arguments is that not one eye witness said they saw Hitler's body. Germany did have the means, and support necessary to get him out at the end, and to live in Argentina. I'm kinda convinced that he died an old man in Argentina, with only a few people in the know, and he's buried in an unmarked grave, or was cremated. They even interviewed a relative of Herman Goering in Argentina
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Posted by Bakster on Friday, December 2, 2016 12:00 PM

Yep...  I am with you on that 7474. 

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Posted by ikar01 on Friday, December 2, 2016 8:28 PM

Yeah, Ive been watching most of the show.  Loved that U-Boat base and German instillations in "neutral" Spanish territory and some of the other strange things they have come across.

My Father was never really sure that he was dead, but hoped he was.  By that time he had been transferred from the Air Corps to the O.S.S. and was running all over the place documenting concentration camps.

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Posted by GMorrison on Saturday, December 3, 2016 1:10 AM

No one ever saw his body. That means no one ever saw his body.

 

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Posted by Revenant on Saturday, December 3, 2016 7:10 AM

GMorrison

No one ever saw his body. That means no one ever saw his body.

 

 

Not really true...several Germans saw his body...there were a select few that carried it and burned it.  

The thing many historians have NOT done is a psychological profile on wether Hitler's would have had the real desire and motivation to try to escape and continue living on the lam.  This would have been a very challenging undertaking in all aspects.  This was a man, by all accounts, who was terrified about being captured and tried, especially by the Russians.  I say he most likely would have never thought about existing once the Reich fell...

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Posted by GAF on Saturday, December 3, 2016 7:35 AM

So... Hitler was a woman, eh?  That explains a lot.  Surprise

Really, they'll find Hitler's body at the bottom of the money pit on Oak Island.  True story!

Gary

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Posted by Bakster on Saturday, December 3, 2016 10:36 AM

Revenant
Not really true...several Germans saw his body...there were a select few that carried it and burned it.  

We are supposed to believe Hitlers trusted Germans? I don't think so. It can be argued that this is a cover story by the Germans to stop investigators from looking any further for him. It can also be argued that the pilot made up the story to keep their beloved fuhrer alive in history. I don't think either account can be trusted. I only mentioned the pilot because it adds to the growing evidence that he may have escaped. 

A psychological profile would be interesting indeed, but I am not convinced that it would close the matter. It can't prove either way what he really did. At best, it can only say what he might be expected to do. That is a big might. It would be interesting though.

 

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Posted by PTConsultingNHR on Saturday, December 3, 2016 3:11 PM

I agree with you.  I originally thought it was going to be like ANCIENT ALIENS or MOUNTAIN MONSTERS ... but their theories and the evidence they're following do have merit ... I am starting to think they COULD BE on to something.

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Saturday, December 3, 2016 3:52 PM

Seriously? You actually believe Hitler may have be still alive? Sounds to me the networks are getting desperate to fill in time slots. Just sayin'....

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Posted by Bakster on Saturday, December 3, 2016 4:29 PM

BlackSheepTwoOneFour

Seriously? You actually believe Hitler may have be still alive? Sounds to me the networks are getting desperate to fill in time slots. Just sayin'....

 

 

Blacksheep...No-one is saying that he is still alive. If he did make it out of Germany I am sure that he died a long time ago. 

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Saturday, December 3, 2016 6:30 PM

I haven't seen the TV series discussed here, but there was a psychological study of Hitler produced during the war for the OSS by Walter Green, a psychoanalyst.  It was published back in 1972, and I used to have a copy, but read it so long ago I don't remember much of it.

It looks like you can still buy it through amazon.com (although it looks to be out-of-print now), and wikipedia has a summary article of its findings.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mind_of_Adolf_Hitler

In 2012, Cambridge University reported the discovery of a psychoanalysis by British Intelligence, dated even earlier than the OSS study--in 1942.

http://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/inside-hitlers-mind

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Nathan T on Saturday, December 3, 2016 8:22 PM

I think the best evidence that Hitler did shoot himself in the bunker is that the Soviets never went looking for him after the war. The Russians hated the Germans so much, there's no way they would've let him escape. 

 

 

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Posted by Bakster on Sunday, December 4, 2016 12:06 PM

Nathan T

I think the best evidence that Hitler did shoot himself in the bunker is that the Soviets never went looking for him after the war. The Russians hated the Germans so much, there's no way they would've let him escape. 

 

On the surface what you are saying makes sence. The problem that I see with that theory is, who says that they didn't look? What is your proof that they didn't look for him? The otherside of the coin is that maybe you are right. Maybe they didn't look because they honestly thought that they had his body.

From what I have heard from other sources, other than the show mentioned in the original post, is that from the very beginning, Russia was less than forthright on the whole subject of Hitlers body. Even to this day we can't trust the information that comes from their official government line. 

Let's consider their story that came out many many years later. They buried some of Hitlers bones, but some pieces of the skull and jaw had been saved. Well, if the DNA test on the remaining pieces is accurate, the test concludes that the bones are from a female. That is their most recent story on the subject of Hitlers bones, and THAT, doesn't even pass the smell test. 

The DNA test is stunning. What does the test reveal?

1. Russia bungled the handling of Hitlers bones and somehow switched it with a females bones?

2. Russia purposefully switched them for some unknown reason?

3. Those are indeed the bones pulled from the pit, but they are not Hitlers remains. In this case, the German plan was to throw a body into a pit, burn it beyond recognition, and then call it Hitler. While Allied authorities try to sort out the issue, Hitler is rushed out of Germany to a safe zone in Agrentina. Hitler had wealthy friends there that would surely help him.

 

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Posted by PTConsultingNHR on Sunday, December 4, 2016 1:39 PM
No, sir. He's definitely NOT alive NOW ... that is quite the assumption to make from my statement. I am saying that, from what I've been seeing on the show, there was/is a chance to think/believe that he could have escaped from Berlin in 1945 and made to Brazil. He's known to have had numerous body doubles (as did Churchill and more recently, Saddam Hussein). What better way to escape an "inescapable" situation, fake your death, use the body of a body double to throw your enemies off your scent and make your escape. He could have made it to friendly Spain, where Franco was a supporter and could have helped him escape. Why were the FBI, and OSS/CIA investigating credible sightings of him well into 1948? Sir - a guy with an ego such as Hitler's wouldn't have committed suicide. What the show's been presenting is both credible and has merit, ... not only that, it's logical and plausible.
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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Sunday, December 4, 2016 1:43 PM

There's also evidence he was a heavy metaphedamines user. Look at some videos of hands behinds his back shaking uncontrollably during troop inspection during the later part of the war. I have no doubt he committed suicide due to paranioa and anxiety once the news the Russians were closing in.

Impossible to prove he had escaped from the bunker especially while Berlin was getting bombarded. If so, how and when?

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Posted by JTRACING on Sunday, December 4, 2016 3:25 PM

I'm surprised it's not on AHC you know the all hitler channel lol it's pretty interesting though. I wouldn't doubt he survived 

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Posted by PTConsultingNHR on Sunday, December 4, 2016 3:59 PM
Just watch the show. It may change your thinking. It has mine. Everything (evidence - not wild-eyed theories) they've presented thus far is credible, logic-based and plausible.
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Posted by Fush Yumeng on Sunday, December 4, 2016 4:29 PM
He died in Berlin. Hitler's dentist was captured after the war by the Americans. Two of his dental techs were captured by the Russians. Each independently reconstructed the details of Hitler's dental work from memory. Their reconstructions meshed completely, and they fit with the details of the dental work on the jaw fragments attributed to Hitler AND to the skull X-rays taken of him by his doctor after the July 20 bomb attempt. Bottom line, there is solid forensic proof beyond a reasonable doubt that Hitler died in Berlin. For a detailed account of the forensic exam go to http://www.nl-aid.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Sognnaes.pdf
 
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Posted by Fush Yumeng on Sunday, December 4, 2016 4:30 PM
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Posted by Fush Yumeng on Sunday, December 4, 2016 4:36 PM

A skull fragment was recovered in or near the burial pit and was subjected to DNA testing in 2009. This revealed it to be from a woman, possibly Eva Braun. But this was discovered a year after the war, and nobody ever actually claimed it was his. The dental remnants were confirmed beyond a reasonable doubt to be his through forensic dental examination.

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Posted by Bakster on Sunday, December 4, 2016 11:01 PM

Since that I am the person that started this thread, I carry the responsibility for possibly causing some anxiety to readers that could be considering the theory being presented. 

This is a difficult topic to broach because the pain from WW2 still runs deep for many people. Both of my parents and their families were captives in Nazi controlled camps during the war. I can tell you that their interment had a profound impact on all of them, even to this day. The idea that Hilter may have escaped is a sickening thought, and I hope that you know that I regret any pain that this may cause you. Of course, this is all still just a theory, but it doesn't negate the pain that it may cause.

Additionally, I hope that our Russian friends don't take offense by some of my words regarding their countries actions and history. If it's any consolation to them, in my own opinion, I feel that the United States was not forthcoming on many many things as well. There is plenty of guilt to go around, and unfortunately, civilians are often the unwitting pawns in the power-plays of our governments.

Regards.

Steve

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Posted by Nathan T on Sunday, December 4, 2016 11:51 PM

No anxiety here, No worries. It's just hard to give any credit to the History channel these days. I just believe Hitler was pure evil, and suicide is the manifestation of that evil. My analysis will never change, but I'm always up for reasonable debate. 

 

 

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Posted by Bakster on Monday, December 5, 2016 9:06 AM

Fair enough, Nathan. Yes

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Monday, December 5, 2016 9:34 AM

No anxeity from me either. Personaly, I think its a bunch of BS to be honest. Too many wackos out there thinking he's still alive. Not you Bakster... LOL!!

 

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Posted by PTConsultingNHR on Monday, December 5, 2016 9:42 AM
The show isn't saying he's alive! The show is saying he didn't shoot himself and then, escaped to Brazil. The evidence they have is credible.
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Posted by Bakster on Monday, December 5, 2016 10:20 AM

I think that we have officially reached the bottom of the well. Speaking of a well...  I think that someone mentioned Hitler may be at the bottom of it.

Thanks for fighting the good fight, PTC.

I am moving on.

 

New topic:  You can believe everything our goverments tell you, and the media always tells the truth.

 

Enjoy.

 

 

 

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