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The Death of the Question Mark ? ? ? ? ?
Posted by the doog on Friday, March 24, 2017 12:07 PM

Guys, bear with me.....

OK, first things first: no, I am NOT on medication.

But..... BUT!! -- I have long lamented and despaired at the continuing degradation and corruption of our English language by the younger generation hastened along by "text speak", which shows its most odious form in online communication. As a boy who grw up reading Jack London and Edgar Allen Poe literally with the proverbial dictionary by his side (I couldn't stand not knowing what words like "primordial" and "aghast" (!) meant!) I have come to appreciate the eloquence of a well-muscled vocabulary and the ability to pinpoint the intent of a phrase or meaning in rapier-sharp fasion by the choice of a keenly-specific word or term--something sadly lacking in the younger generations' "communicative skills" (yes, I use that term very loosely!).

Like you, I have suffered seeing the singular "u" (not even capitalized!) as a substitute for a proper, respectful "You". I have gnashed my teeth (as have YOU) at the use of "2" as a cheap stand-in for "to". Alas, I had perhaps naively believed that my generation and that of those who came before me have been the stalwart guardians of the gift of Vernacular, and the defenders of all the peripherals which gird this Art like the mighty towers flanking a castle keep; namely, proper punctuation and capital letters. Yet to my horror, I have started to notice that the acceptance and even (*shudder*) usage of this form of stunted communication has started to appear in my fellow "Boomers'" online communications.

Proper punctuation is the online, literary equivalent of the lilting of the voice that accomplanies the lifting-pitch of the question; the strong, declarative downward-pitch of the statement, confident and bold, indicated by the exclamation point. Without these visual literary cues, the world of online communication is as colorless, as banal and uninteresting and indecipherable as a piece of modern art on the commons, where anyone is free to interpret the words on the page as whatever they choose. "do you want to eat grandma". Well does she? Or DO YOU? It pained me just typing it.

To those of you who have abandoned our precious question mark; I ask you--what is it about this lady which causes to displease? Look at her erotic curves. Lose yourself in the power of her allure...are you not enthralled?

Even if you cannot appreciate her beauty, how can you leave her out in the cold? Consider, if you will, the fire of the Question Mark's vibrant shape and color...

Are you not inspired??? Do you not feel the purple rain?

Who is brave enough to declare your support for this timelessand ancient symbol? Who will champion our right and intent to ask questions and to let others know that we do indeed possess intellectual curiosity?--or perhaps that we're just hungry for say, pizza? You can make it your fashion! Wear your heart on your sleeve--or your face if you go that way..?

Fellow Modelers! Friends! Countrymen and Brothers! I ask you now--stand with me, and declare your fealty and loyalty to our question mark! We must stand together, united and strong, and declare that we will not accept a world where online inquiry is sacrificed on the altar of convenience and the saving of .003 microseconds out of one's day! We must resist the imposition of a world where no questions can be found, where the tyranny of only statements and incomplete phrases run roughshod over those of us with curioisity and the boldness to present that in correct punctuation! We must declare our love for the question mark! Mustn't we??

Do it for love! Do it for the future! Do it FOR THE CHILDREN! I ASK YOU, WILL YOU JOIN ME? 

 

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Posted by KnightTemplar5150 on Friday, March 24, 2017 12:40 PM

First they came for the semi-colon, but I said nothing because its usage was only covered in style manuals. Then they came for the Oxford commas, but I said nothing because it was goverened by arbitrary rules. Then they came for small words and I said nothing because it was faster to text the numeral two than writing out "to." And then they came for the rest of the punctuation - but here, we resist. Here, we look the youth of our nation in the eye and tell them once and for all in words they understand, "Respect your language or cash me ousside how bow dat?" 

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Posted by DasBeav on Friday, March 24, 2017 12:55 PM

....And the ability to read and/or write in cursive.

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Posted by silentbob33 on Friday, March 24, 2017 1:27 PM
This is the best thing I've read in a long time. As a high school teacher, I deal with it on a daily basis, especially with the introduction of Chromebooks into my classroom. So far I've been able to get them to stop with text speak, and to start using some punctuation...even if they aren't using it correctly. It makes me glad I'm not an English teacher.

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Friday, March 24, 2017 2:20 PM

Sad state of affairs of our future generations. Heck, even schools nowadays don't even teach cursive writing, let alone do homework in cursive writing. I blame our government sticking their noses in how teachers should teach. As you all know, I am a stauch hater of Common CORE. This is the biggest waste of time the government has implimented. I firmly believe our government has NO business to dictate how teachers should teach our kids. Let the teachers teach the way they know best without big government watching - the old-fashioned way.

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Posted by Bish on Friday, March 24, 2017 2:23 PM

Guilty as charged. Embarrassed

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, March 24, 2017 2:36 PM

Bish

Guilty as charged. Embarrassed

 

Ditto

Yeap, I didn't even notice my comment about your T54 turret was a question instead of a statement till you added question marks to your quote of my post. 

Frankly these days I'm lucky to get my pants on with the zipper in the front and my shoes on the right feet when I get up much less proper grammer, punctuation, and sentence structure. Dunce

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Bish on Friday, March 24, 2017 2:40 PM

Gamera
 
Bish

Guilty as charged. Embarrassed

 

 

 

Ditto

Yeap, I didn't even notice my comment about your T54 turret was a question instead of a statement till you added question marks to your quote of my post. 

Frankly these days I'm lucky to get my pants on with the zipper in the front and my shoes on the right feet when I get up much less proper grammer, punctuation, and sentence structure. Dunce

 

Seems like we are both in the naughty corner Big Smile

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, March 24, 2017 3:04 PM

Bish

 

 
Gamera
 
Bish

Guilty as charged. Embarrassed

 

 

 

Ditto

Yeap, I didn't even notice my comment about your T54 turret was a question instead of a statement till you added question marks to your quote of my post. 

Frankly these days I'm lucky to get my pants on with the zipper in the front and my shoes on the right feet when I get up much less proper grammer, punctuation, and sentence structure. Dunce

 

 

 

Seems like we are both in the naughty corner Big Smile

 

As long as we're not stuffed in the 'cooler' with a certain grumpy German Field Marshal. Wink

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Posted by modelcrazy on Friday, March 24, 2017 4:29 PM

Hmmm, what brought this on? Confused Very concise and accurate writing Doog.

By the way, I haven't written in cursive since I attended two years of drafting classes... before CAD.

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Friday, March 24, 2017 4:51 PM

Modelcrazy ;

I am ashamed of you ! To not use cursive ? What the heck is the matter with you ? I keep telling folks this . You may print well . BUT , printing can be copied a whole lot easier than Cursive . Besides if you have six retired draftsmen/women , And one commits a crime regarding a ransom note , whom or who , do you arrest ?

 Now that said , I always get complements on my cursive signature . Why ? Well , it sets me apart . Plus  , it's a definite marker of who I am . The letters flow with a certain mix of surety and self confidence . Who , Me ? That's what they say . Plus this . When you use cursive it marks you as you , not some jamoke down the road .

 This is the final form of self identification . It's like this , which do you want ? A blood drop on a contract to prove it's you ? Or a nice flowing group of letters that says , Hey look , this is me ! Posted by , who else  ? ? ?  Tanker-Builder  !

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Posted by goldhammer on Friday, March 24, 2017 4:55 PM

I'm in the same boat as MC with writing since drafting classes over 45 years ago.

 

Whatever happened to readin', 'ritting, and 'rithmatic like we had when we went through the old schoolhouse?  Guess that is a long bygone era, to our detriment.

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Posted by the doog on Friday, March 24, 2017 4:58 PM

KnightTemplar5150

First they came for the semi-colon, but I said nothing because its usage was only covered in style manuals. Then they came for the Oxford commas, but I said nothing because it was goverened by arbitrary rules. Then they came for small words and I said nothing because it was faster to text the numeral two than writing out "to." And then they came for the rest of the punctuation - but here, we resist. Here, we look the youth of our nation in the eye and tell them once and for all in words they understand, "Respect your language or cash me ousside how bow dat?" 

 

Haha--good paraphrasing of the famous quotes! Smile

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Posted by the doog on Friday, March 24, 2017 4:59 PM

silentbob33
This is the best thing I've read in a long time. As a high school teacher, I deal with it on a daily basis, especially with the introduction of Chromebooks into my classroom. So far I've been able to get them to stop with text speak, and to start using some punctuation...even if they aren't using it correctly. It makes me glad I'm not an English teacher.
 

Keep fighting the good fight! You have my permission to read this to them in class. Smile

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Posted by modelcrazy on Friday, March 24, 2017 5:06 PM
Ha TB, I'd have to reteach myself cursive at this point. We had to practice block letters to perfection, and I guess it just stuck.

Steve

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Posted by the doog on Friday, March 24, 2017 5:11 PM

BlackSheepTwoOneFour

Sad state of affairs of our future generations. Heck, even schools nowadays don't even teach cursive writing, let alone do homework in cursive writing. I blame our government sticking their noses in how teachers should teach. As you all know, I am a stauch hater of Common CORE. This is the biggest waste of time the government has implimented. I firmly believe our government has NO business to dictate how teachers should teach our kids. Let the teachers teach the way they know best without big government watching - the old-fashioned way.

 

I don't want to turn this light-hearted thread political, but I strongly support Common Core. It's exactly what America needs--and it doesn't even go far enough to institute a national, universal, Science-based curriculum like all other Westernized nations have--and many of those are kicking our butts in IT and Science-based graduates who will help their nations lead this new technological age. And that's all I'll say. If you wanna argue it, you can PM me. Smile

I blame it on laziness, period. Our too-fast-paced society, where people can't take the time to slllooooowwww down and respect the language. I value language and vocabulary because it is such a powerful tool in so many situations. It's too bad that kids today are not taught it more rigorously.

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Posted by the doog on Friday, March 24, 2017 5:14 PM

Bish

 

 
Gamera
 
Bish

Guilty as charged. Embarrassed

 

 

 

Ditto

Yeap, I didn't even notice my comment about your T54 turret was a question instead of a statement till you added question marks to your quote of my post. 

Frankly these days I'm lucky to get my pants on with the zipper in the front and my shoes on the right feet when I get up much less proper grammer, punctuation, and sentence structure. Dunce

 

 

 

Seems like we are both in the naughty corner Big Smile

 

Haha!! Yes, you ARE! Big Smile Glad that you guys have a sense of humor about it. Wink It's just a huge pet peeve of mine, and it's because I honestly have a love affair with language and vocabulary. I respect someone who can motivate a crowd or mend a heart or bring me to tears with words that rip right into the heart and find that magic button that triggers the desired response. I just see so much of today's conversation as banal blather.

I'm glad--relieved, really--that this has gotten a positive and understanding response among friends here. Smile

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Posted by the doog on Friday, March 24, 2017 5:14 PM

Tanker - Builder

Modelcrazy ;

I am ashamed of you ! To not use cursive ? What the heck is the matter with you ? I keep telling folks this . You may print well . BUT , printing can be copied a whole lot easier than Cursive . Besides if you have six retired draftsmen/women , And one commits a crime regarding a ransom note , whom or who , do you arrest ?

 Now that said I always get complements on my cursive signature .Why ? Well , it sets me apart .Plus  , it's a definite marker of who I am . The letters flow with a certain mix of surety and self confidence . Who , Me ? That's what they say . Plus this . When you use cursive it marks you as you , not some jamoke down the road .

 This is the final form of self identification . It's like this , which do you want ? A blood drop on a contract to prove it's you ? Or a nice flowing group of letters that says , Hey look , this is me ! Posted by , who else  ? ? ?  Tanker-Builder  !

 

I still write in cursive. :)

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Posted by goldhammer on Friday, March 24, 2017 5:19 PM

Some of us even curse in writiveEmbarrassed

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Posted by Bish on Friday, March 24, 2017 5:36 PM

the doog
 
Bish

 

 
Gamera
 
Bish

Guilty as charged. Embarrassed

 

 

 

Ditto

Yeap, I didn't even notice my comment about your T54 turret was a question instead of a statement till you added question marks to your quote of my post. 

Frankly these days I'm lucky to get my pants on with the zipper in the front and my shoes on the right feet when I get up much less proper grammer, punctuation, and sentence structure. Dunce

 

 

 

Seems like we are both in the naughty corner Big Smile

 

 

 

Haha!! Yes, you ARE! Big Smile Glad that you guys have a sense of humor about it. Wink It's just a huge pet peeve of mine, and it's because I honestly have a love affair with language and vocabulary. I respect someone who can motivate a crowd or mend a heart or bring me to tears with words that rip right into the heart and find that magic button that triggers the desired response. I just see so much of today's conversation as banal blather.

I'm glad--relieved, really--that this has gotten a positive and understanding response among friends here. Smile

 

 

 

I'm english old boy, a sense of humour is compulsory.

 

Didn't you know that    Big Smile

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Friday, March 24, 2017 5:41 PM

Vell Now ! You see , Vit da zenze of Hummer the volrd is the ting to not be vorrying about . No really , I enjoy a good sense of humor . I have a rather deep one at times and my Landlady or her daughter don't get it . Shame on them .

    By the way is that your cat ? ? She's as they say , the Cat's " Meow " . T.B.

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Posted by ManCityFan on Friday, March 24, 2017 5:59 PM
I have been ridiculed for using full words and punctuation when texting. I have co-workers who have not figured out the difference between your and you're. Makes me crazy. I used to pride myself on having a well developed vocabulary, but with age, I am finding that I am much less erudite due to having difficulty recalling words. Having a well developed vocabulary and a good sense of humor go hand in hand. Without the vocabulary, you miss too much of the word play, and well thought out word play is a reason to live! A pun! A pun! My horse for a pun!

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Posted by tempestjohnny on Friday, March 24, 2017 6:06 PM
Well I still write in cursive....sort of. Over the years I've invented ways of making my own cursive letters. And my chicken scratch of a signature will prove it.

 

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Friday, March 24, 2017 7:36 PM

the doog

 

 
BlackSheepTwoOneFour

Sad state of affairs of our future generations. Heck, even schools nowadays don't even teach cursive writing, let alone do homework in cursive writing. I blame our government sticking their noses in how teachers should teach. As you all know, I am a stauch hater of Common CORE. This is the biggest waste of time the government has implimented. I firmly believe our government has NO business to dictate how teachers should teach our kids. Let the teachers teach the way they know best without big government watching - the old-fashioned way.

 

 

 

I don't want to turn this light-hearted thread political, but I strongly support Common Core. It's exactly what America needs--and it doesn't even go far enough to institute a national, universal, Science-based curriculum like all other Westernized nations have--and many of those are kicking our butts in IT and Science-based graduates who will help their nations lead this new technological age. And that's all I'll say. If you wanna argue it, you can PM me. Smile

 

I blame it on laziness, period. Our too-fast-paced society, where people can't take the time to slllooooowwww down and respect the language. I value language and vocabulary because it is such a powerful tool in so many situations. It's too bad that kids today are not taught it more rigorously.

 

 

No need, brother. We all have opinions about Common CORE and I respect yours wholeheartedly. By no means I want to turn this into a political flamewar.

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Posted by Cadet Chuck on Friday, March 24, 2017 9:04 PM

Great thread, well said, all!  This leads me to another topic that I am passionate about- the lack of spelling skills prevalent today.  You can see atrocious examples here every day.

Gimme a pigfoot, and a bottle of beer...

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Posted by the doog on Friday, March 24, 2017 9:20 PM

BlackSheepTwoOneFour
the doog
 

I don't want to turn this light-hearted thread political, but I strongly support Common Core.

 

No need, brother. We all have opinions about Common CORE and I respect yours wholeheartedly. By no means I want to turn this into a political flamewar.

 

Thank you. Smile I appreciate your discretion and agree with you. YesBeer

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Posted by the doog on Friday, March 24, 2017 9:24 PM

ManCityFan
I have been ridiculed for using full words and punctuation when texting. I have co-workers who have not figured out the difference between your and you're. Makes me crazy. I used to pride myself on having a well developed vocabulary, but with age, I am finding that I am much less erudite due to having difficulty recalling words. Having a well developed vocabulary and a good sense of humor go hand in hand. Without the vocabulary, you miss too much of the word play, and well thought out word play is a reason to live! A pun! A pun! My horse for a pun!
 

I have a "dumb phone"; a Samsung flip-phone. Takes me ten minutes to type anything at all on the very rare occasions when I text anyone, usually in reply. I ALWAYS spell my words fully, and will (annoyingly, I'm sure) ask peopel for clairification when they hit me with all of those dumb abbreviated non-words. Pisses 'em off I'm sure, but maybe it'll get them to think about it. :)

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Posted by armornut on Saturday, March 25, 2017 8:40 AM

Let not your heart be troubled dear Doog, for you are among friends. Yes our written language has taken a HUGE hit since the advent of the telephone and hence the upgrade in technology it brought with it. I for one am guilty as charged of run along sentences, improper punctuation, and my mild pet peev....spelling. It is one thing to speak the word incorrectly while someone is listening, however to type it and think that everyone will know what your trying to say. Again I to am guilty. Perhaps the saying "better to be thought of a fool than open your mouth and prove it" should be applied in this strange new world. In conclusion I agree with everybody who commented in this thread, a simpler time has been religated to the annals of history and we must set forth on a new path to continue to succeed. P.S. I gots grandma roasting on the spit, what kinda BBQ sauce shoulds I put on her?Confused

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Saturday, March 25, 2017 9:41 AM

I notice too the deterioration of spoken english.  Contractions like wouldn't, couldn't, etc.  used to have consonents sounded before the part left out.  It was could-ent, would-ent, etc.

Now, that d is omitted- people say cou-ent, wou-ent!  Shocks my ears!  That is contracting too much.

Using the word the before a word starting with a consonent used to be pronounced th-ah.  If the second word started with a vowel, it was sounded like thee.  Now it is pronounced the same for either kind of word.

 

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Posted by fermis on Saturday, March 25, 2017 11:29 AM

Tanker - Builder

I am ashamed of you ! To not use cursive ? What the heck is the matter with you ? I keep telling folks this . You may print well . BUT , printing can be copied a whole lot easier than Cursive . Besides if you have six retired draftsmen/women , And one commits a crime regarding a ransom note , whom or who , do you arrest ?

 

Embarrassed

 These days, the only time I use cursive is when I write checks (yes, I still use checks!). Otherwise, I have somehow developed the habit of printing in all capital letters. I have no idea where that came from! When I first joined up here, I got "yelled at" for "YELLING" everything I said. I typed in caps, because I wrote in caps (online communication was new to me!). Having seen others do the same, since then...I can see the irritation!

 To the subject at hand. I find myself somewhere in the middle, between the obnoxious short hand/ghetto speak BS and the eloquent, articulate, well versed writing of a wordsmith. The later can be equally obnoxious though. There seems to be a fine line between well spoken and pretentious (look how smart I am, with my big words). I like things basic, but not too basic....to, two, too...you, your, you're...etc, those are basics that everyone should have a grasp on...as well as punctuation!

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