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Posted by richs26 on Tuesday, December 10, 2019 11:54 AM

The 1976 movie used the training carrier, USS Lexington for both US and Japanese carriers, where filming was done in the Gulf of Mexico.  It was also used for Pearl Harbor while tied up to the dock.

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Posted by Nino on Tuesday, December 10, 2019 10:07 AM

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...The standards called for an insignia blue roundel with a white star. Period photographs clearly show the contrast between the roundel and the fuselage and star. Wht was portrayed was a light grey roundel with an off white star. 

 

  Yes, I noticed that.  Guess that color film they used "faded".  There's an excuse for ya, they added Realisim!Wink

      So much is wrong with the Air Action/Aircraft in the CGI that I think I'll recommend closing one eye and looking thru a Toilet paper tube to see just 1 plane-n-1 ship at a time, for the next viewing.  Yes, I liked The Heston/Fonda/Mifune Midway best for the background History and story-telling but they used new "Rivets" (angled-deck Essex class).   Back in '76 I wanted to see what a Japanese Carrier looked like .  I got that in the new flick.

     I would love to see the edited-out footage...  and some F4F's. 

     Nino

 

P.S.  The 1976 Midway movie was released 2 days before Joe Rochefort passed away.

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Posted by ajlafleche on Tuesday, December 10, 2019 9:19 AM

Finaly saw it yesterday at a midday/senior/early bird discount...$6.75. Well worth it and generally better than I expected. As Don and others have said, the flying was less than reallistic and way too Death Star attack. Reasonably historically accurate, in a Readers' Digest abridged way. My biggest gripe was the lo-viz subdued national insignia on the navy aircraft. The standards called for an insignia blue roundel with a white star. Period photographs clearly show the contrast between the roundel and the fuselage and star. Wht was portrayed was a light grey roundel with an off white star. 

 

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Posted by Reasoned on Sunday, December 8, 2019 5:07 PM
Yeah, saw it about a week ago and tend to agree with Don that the original (70's version) gave more blow by blow information (assuming it was correct for those of us who are not Midway historians) but this version was very good, it didn't get a goofy Hollywoodized plot. As for the CGI, look until there's a huge stash of flyable WWII era A/C found somewhere, that's as good as it's going to get. Sure the guys programing the flight simulations need to be somewhat accurate to keep those of us who are familiar with prop plane flight characteristics from being "cartoon affected" (since most of the millennials, assuming they'd even go to a WWII movie, have no idea). All in all I thought it was very good and I'm just glad Hollywood's willing to invest in the making of movies depicting such important historical events...and try and keep it accurate.

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Sunday, December 8, 2019 6:52 AM

Saw the movie yesterday.  I think I still like the original better.  That earlier version covered more of the activities at PH ops, more Nimitz and stuff.  I like that top down view a lot.

The computer graphics were horrid!  It is not enough to make the plane look like the real thing- it must fly like the real thing.  The idea of dive bombers diving in close formation, even in a line abreast formation, looked silly.  While level bombers, especially at altitude did fly in close formation, the idea of fighters in combat staying in close formation was dead by 1940.  Those shots of planes flying between ships moored side by side at deck level was ridiculous.  And the super high G pullups dead stick were really hokey.  If CGI guys are going to model aircraft in flight, they need to learn some dynamics also.  The CGI flying was as bad as the Pearl Harbor movie.  Sound was great, though!

 

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Posted by murph on Friday, December 6, 2019 11:41 AM

I saw it the other evening.  As a personal observation, I thought it was merely okay.  I found it in the same vein as that turd ball known as 'Pearl Harbor' with Affleck, although not that bad.  Although I am no expert, it was impressive to watch airplanes jink around the sky without ailerons, rudders of elevators moving or see aircraft wingtips take a good touch of the water and not cartwheel, butt over tea kettle.  Were some things a little far fetched?  Absolutely.  Was it what I expected?  No.  In my opinion, it was the kind of movie where you park your brain at the door for a couple of hours, sit back, watch a movie and enjoy a box of popcorn.  I guess I was expecting more after seeing the original Midway - In Sensurround! - in the mid 70's.

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Posted by Gamera on Sunday, December 1, 2019 5:32 PM

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Gamera

Hmmm, I'm on vacation/holiday but most of what I've heard has been good to great. Really looking forward to seeing it when I get home!

Thanks for the comments guys!!!

Although some jerk gave me spoilers- the USN wins- Censored...

 

 

 

 

But nobody told you how the USN actually won.

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Yeah, I could nit-pick the movie but over-all I was really impressed. The scenes of Pearl Harbor I thought did a great job of capturing the utter chaos and sheer living hell of the surprise attack.

If they Hollywooded up the battles it's to be expected, I still loved the film. I'm buying the Blu-Ray as soon as it goes on sale.

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Posted by Nino on Sunday, December 1, 2019 10:27 AM

This Midway movie succeeded in getting me more interested.
 
I felt induced to prep for it by re-reading the First Team and Walter Lords Incredible Victory.
 
For  those interested, here's  my opinion of the Movies Historical accuracy.
 
 
     They covered a bit of  pre-war US , Intelligence work, and Pearl Harbor.  The Enterprise's raid on the Marshall islands on Feb 1 with the twin-engine bomber attack ,and Bruno Gaido's roll in it, was excellent.  It appears they also showed the attack , March 10th, on some Harbors in New Guinea . This seems to be represented by the torpedo attack on ships at anchor, with Mountains in the back ground and a fictitious Kongō-class BB in the foreground.  The Doolittle Raid got the expected coverage followed by a bit of Coral Sea.   As for the Midway battle, they did pretty darn good in not confusing the Audience with the multitude of attacks against the Invasion force and the Mobile Striking force.   
 
      We got B-25's , B-26's, SBD's, TBD's, PBY's, and even a Kingfisher.   Yes,  I missed seeing F4F-4's and the armaments carried by many of the planes was dead wrong.   But we did get a John Ford scene and a surprising group of actors who did pretty darn good.  Best part for me was a representation of the USS Nautilus.  Somebody cared enough to add her in. Wow.
 
      So, I wish the B-25 wing insignia had been correct. Red circle in the Roundels is another issue along with tail stripes.  I did not see the 2-20mm guns on CV-6 stern at the Deck edge corners,  And I wish Jack Fletcher and Yorktown, (especially CV-5's  repair work during the battle),  had been better represented.  I really missed seeing a good CGI of Lexington and I sure wish the movie was longer with scenes showing the Japanese side. There's a bunch of other "rivet" details, but none of that or my "wishes" matter.   The Movie works.  
 
      At the Theater I talked with a family of 3, Grandfather, Son and Grandson, all of whom loved it and the Grandson wants to Know More!  Yea!!!!!
 
 
My impressions:
The Japanese CGI ships were fantastic .  CGI of Yamato was fine and Akagi superb, even showing the CAP positioned on the deck.  Some scenes seemed "over-acted"  but I did like the McClusky representation. Woody 's Nimitz surprised me.  He pulled it off.
 
Thanks to those who added in the suggestions for other reading.  All good stuff. 
 
 
     Although it's not a Star Wars, I will definitely see it again with my Grandkids and buy it on DVD.  Would love to re-edit it with some footage from other Movies, YouTube stuff, and a few real WW2 film clips. 
 
 
Final thought...
 
It's like getting a NEW, never before made, plastic ship model from Trumpeter.  The forward barbette is positioned wrong,  Hull has overdone platting,  it mixes 1942 and 1944 versions, etc...  So what!  At least We Got It. And it's "Workable".    Thumbs Up!Yes
 
         Nino
 
Edit for Rivet Counters:  Japanese air attack on Midway Island:  The Japanese sent 108 planes.  I counted 102 in the opening scene. The staging looked horrible but they got the amount about right on.  Much like the hole in the Yorktown's deck at Coral Sea.  They made it 20 times too big.  Artistic License okay with me.  What do you think?
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Posted by scottrc on Sunday, December 1, 2019 8:00 AM

Gamera

Hmmm, I'm on vacation/holiday but most of what I've heard has been good to great. Really looking forward to seeing it when I get home!

Thanks for the comments guys!!!

Although some jerk gave me spoilers- the USN wins- Censored...

 

 

But nobody told you how the USN actually won.

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Posted by richs26 on Saturday, November 30, 2019 10:38 PM

I finally saw Midway tonight, but still noted the nitpicking inaccuracies.  The SBD's from the -2 through to the -3's should have had spinners, especially the new -3's which B-6 and S-6 were mostly equipped with.  The squadron markings were screwed up from the beginning on December 7th up to probably after thge Coral Sea.  The B-25's had the proper US insignia.  It looked like Lindsey's TBD's dropped bombs rather than torpedoes.  And the torpedoes should have been equipped with the plywood boxes over the fins.  The most outrageous part was the B-26 attack.  Lt. Muri and Capt. Collins would be spinning in their graves over the depiction of their attack.  There were only 4 B-26's used at Midway and they dropped torpedoes, not bombs from a high altitude.  Lt. Muri and Lt. Pren Moore were the ones who flew down the deck of the Akagi to escape the flak and Zeroes.  B-17's dropped bombs at a high altitude on the Japanese fleet.

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Posted by Gamera on Saturday, November 30, 2019 3:28 PM

Finally got a chance to see this and what a great movie! Yeah, there the CGI planes did come off a little Star Warish in their handling but over-all loved the film!

My apologies to Mr. Emmerich. I take back (most) of the bad stuff I said about him. Still don't like the '90s Hollywood 'Godzilla' though...

Ed Skrein was a great leading man. Still impressed that someone from London could do a pretty darn good 'Jersey accent. And having Keean Johnson as his gunner made me grin.

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Posted by tankboy51 on Sunday, November 24, 2019 9:40 PM

My wife and I just came back from seeing it.  I agree with all the obsevations here.  

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Posted by JOE RIX on Sunday, November 24, 2019 9:16 PM

I just got back from seeing the movie. I found it to be rather good and enjoyed it immensely. Good accuracy and detail. I'd strongly recommend it.

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Posted by Glamdring on Sunday, November 17, 2019 7:12 PM

PFJN

 

 
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I took my 15 year old son with me yesterday and saw it at a matinee. It was a very good movie, enjoyable. I do not know a lot of the actual details of the battle so I don't know what's correct about who did what.

But I do know that the US Navy wins the battle [spoiler alert].

 

 

 

I thought in this version of events the US initially looses the battle but that a group of Super Heroes event a time machine to go back in time to fix things.  Or am I getting my movies mixed up Tongue Tied

 

 

There is actually a book trilogy where that is the basic premise, the Axis of Time trilogy.  A multinational naval fleet, including modern German and Japanese ships, from the 2020s is teleported back in time and lands smack in the middle of the American fleet before the battle.

As far as the movie goes, I was pleasantly surprised.  I am very glad they did not wander down the path of Pearl Harbor with extra interpersonal stories.

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Posted by M4Shermanmodeler on Sunday, November 17, 2019 6:49 PM

Just saw it yesterday and I think they got it about 90% right. Has to be a record for Hollywood. Yes; the SBD’s and Zeros did some interesting maneuvers but overall they really keep to the story line without a lot of added distractions. Was surprised and pleased with Woody Harrelson as Nimitz. I was afraid I wouldn’t be able to shake the image of his character in Cheers; but he did an excellent job. Without being a spoiler, my only real disappointment was *** Best’s second dive. Kinda reminded me of Slim Pickens in Dr. Strangelove. If you’ve seen em both you’ll know what I mean. All in all; great movie and I might actually go see it again. Last time I did that was Star Wars; (the 1977 release)!!!

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Posted by Gamera on Sunday, November 17, 2019 4:56 PM

Hmmm, I'm on vacation/holiday but most of what I've heard has been good to great. Really looking forward to seeing it when I get home!

Thanks for the comments guys!!!

Although some jerk gave me spoilers- the USN wins- Censored...

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Posted by scottrc on Sunday, November 17, 2019 1:00 PM

I saw the movie last night and thought it was entertaining and did well at getting the message of what the war was like at the begining of WW2 to this new generation.  The writing and acting was really good. I was questioning why they completely left out the role of the American fighters.  The special effects, well, some shots of the Enterprise and close ups of the SBDs were really good.  The rest looked like it was left over stock from World of Warships.  In fact, watching the battle scenes made me think I was watching one long World of Warships trailer. The landing scenes were almost cartoonish. The chase through the valley and the divebomb scenes were reminiscent of the attack on the Death Star.  As Best was diving, I was hearing in my head a voice saying " Use the Force Richard, use the Force"!

With my banter aside, I really enjoyed this movie.  

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, November 16, 2019 9:42 AM

The words murder and execution can be used interchangeably in certain circumstances. And even together on occasion. An individual can be murdered, “execution style”. As opposed to other murder methods that occur. Its something of a technicality in terminology. The person is just as dead as whether they are murdered, or executed by formal means as a result of judicial or non judicial process. 

And a long story short, the Japanese attitude towards prisoners, military, and civilian, as well as the record of their treatment of said prisoners, are well documented. Bushido was not in line with the Geneva and Hague conventions.

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Saturday, November 16, 2019 9:10 AM

To repeat myself, the term "executed" is Kleiss' choice, not mine.

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Posted by Liegghio on Saturday, November 16, 2019 12:20 AM

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GMorrison

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Bruno Peter Gaido AMM 1/c Captured 6/4/42, executed 6/15/42

 

 

More accurate to say that Gaido and his pilot were murdered.

If I remember correctly, the skipper of the destroyer that picked them up would have been tried as a war criminal but he didn't survive.  Or that might have been the skipper of the destroyer that picked up Ensign Osmus, who was also murdered by the Japanese.

 

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Not an unusual event with the WW2 Japanese. The destroyer Akikaze atrocity was even worse. From Wikipedia:

 

 

“On 18 March 1942 Akikaze was the scene of a war crime. During construction of a seaplane base at Kairiru Island Akikaze evacuated the personnel of the Roman Catholic mission headquarters on that island and also several individuals from Wewak. These included Bishop Joseph Loerks, 38 missionaries (31 of whom were German nationals) including 18 nuns, one New Guinea girl, and two Chinese infants (apparently the children of Wewak storekeeper Ning Hee). The vessel then called at Manus where it picked up 20 others, again mostly Germans, including six missionaries from the Liebenzell Evangelical Mission, three other nuns and three other priests, a European infant, a plantation owner named Carl Muster and plantation overseer Peter Mathies, two Chinese, and apparently four Malays. The ostensible intention was to carry them to internment in Rabaul. "Between Manus and Rabaul each of the adults was strung up by the hands on a gallows in the stern of the vessel, shot dead by rifle or machine-gun fire, and thrown overboard. The two Chinese infants and the European baby were thrown over alive."

And these were mostly Germans, ostensibly Japanese allies.

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Posted by E. Halibut on Friday, November 15, 2019 10:05 PM

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Certainly far better than Pearl Harbor.

I don't know. I saw Pearl Harbor and I thought it was interesting to see World War Two as interpreted by The Gap.  Geeked

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Posted by mississippivol on Friday, November 15, 2019 8:42 PM

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After watching it last Tuesday, (btw I totally enjoyed it), I realized that I hadn't seen a war movie where Halsey was a major character. Am I missing a movie that featured him prominently, beside Robert Michie scratching himself in the Midway 76 movie?
 

 

 

Tora! Tora! Tora!, Halsey is played by James Whitmore (Sr.) in that one and has a rather prominent role in that film. 

 

Thanks, man. I couldn't say how long since I'd seen that movie, but I found a copy at Barnes and Nobles this evening to watch again.

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Posted by lewbud on Friday, November 15, 2019 7:43 PM

While looking forward to this movie, I had reservations about it that were gone within the first 15 minutes of the movie. I saw it with Modelcrazy and Mopar Madness, and as we were walking past the theater after dinner, I wondered which one of the movies had the volume cranked up as you could hear explosions outside the theater. Steve said that it was Midway and I replied I didn't recall it being that loud and he said that was because you were into it, and he was right. I'm not sure I would have included the homefront footage, but it added to the story and didn't detract from it. I thought the incidents involving Gaido at the Coral Sea and his execution were cinematic additions, but in reading previous posts, I found out that they were actual events. I didn't remember John Ford being at Midway, but a quick use of my Googlefu confirmed that he was and made an award winning documentary about the battle of Midway.While it was fairly easy to keep up with the American personell, some help by the way of subtitles (like they did in the 1976 movie) would have helped with the Japanese.  While shown in the movie, no mention is made of Ens. Gay (lone survivor of Torpedo 8). I thought Woody Harrelson did a good job as Nimitz (plus it made this Texas boy's day to see a Texan playing a Texan hero). After seeing this, I need to add Layton's book to my library along with Shattered Sword (read a borrowed copy).  

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, November 15, 2019 8:49 AM

mississippivol
After watching it last Tuesday, (btw I totally enjoyed it), I realized that I hadn't seen a war movie where Halsey was a major character. Am I missing a movie that featured him prominently, beside Robert Michie scratching himself in the Midway 76 movie?
 

Tora! Tora! Tora!, Halsey is played by James Whitmore (Sr.) in that one and has a rather prominent role in that film. 

 

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Posted by mississippivol on Thursday, November 14, 2019 10:17 PM

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The Gallant Hours is the movie with James Cagney playing Halsey. It's about him  reminiscing just before he "retires" from the Navy (5 Stars don't officially retire). It's somewhat interesting, but don't look for any exciting combat. It's more of a behind the scenes accounting. As I recall, he spent most of it talking to his enlisted aide. 

 

I'll look for that. Cagney as Halsey...it fits 

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Posted by Mopar Madness on Thursday, November 14, 2019 8:38 PM

Just saw it with my good friends Modelcrazy & Lewbud and loved it! I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to the history of the Pacific theater so I didnt have any expectations other than it being jam packed with action.  And was it ever! 

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Posted by Rotorhead13 on Thursday, November 14, 2019 6:52 PM

The Gallant Hours is the movie with James Cagney playing Halsey. It's about him  reminiscing just before he "retires" from the Navy (5 Stars don't officially retire). It's somewhat interesting, but don't look for any exciting combat. It's more of a behind the scenes accounting. As I recall, he spent most of it talking to his enlisted aide. 

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Posted by mississippivol on Thursday, November 14, 2019 6:15 PM
After watching it last Tuesday, (btw I totally enjoyed it), I realized that I hadn't seen a war movie where Halsey was a major character. Am I missing a movie that featured him prominently, beside Robert Michie scratching himself in the Midway 76 movie?
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Posted by Greatmaker on Thursday, November 14, 2019 11:32 AM

I saw it last Friday. Overall I would say I enjoyed the film and would recommend it. Yes to me there were a lot of CGI issues but certainly better than Pearl Harbor. Kate Beckinscale not withstanding. My main beef was the speed of the planes.  I'm sure the CGI guys can slow things down. Also was disappointed not to see some wildcats. Plus if Japanese AA was like that nothing would get through. It did make me feel young. Not only was the original midway the first war movie that I saw in the theater but at 56 I was by far the youngest at this one. Most I would guess were in their 70's to 80's

 

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