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  • Member since
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How things have changed...
Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, June 28, 2020 8:52 PM

I know that I’m not alone on this, but if you had told me 30 years ago that you would see NATO and Warsaw Pact country AFVs operating together as allies on the same side one day, and not shooting at each other, I’d have said you’re crazy...

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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GAF
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Posted by GAF on Sunday, June 28, 2020 11:08 PM

The world has gone mad! 

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, June 28, 2020 11:37 PM

I think of NATO airforces Mig-21s.

Modeling is an excuse to buy books

 

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Posted by DRUMS01 on Monday, June 29, 2020 12:24 AM

totally agree 100%...

Your friends today may be your adversaries tomorrow, and your enemy of yesterday may be your ally today. As one former President said, "Trust, but verify".

This stuff kind of makes those old friend or foe playing cards obsolete, right? (some will remember these)

What about the new AI smart weapons, how will they be able to tell if certian items are a threat or not? The new Z-1 military widget is sold to 10 countries, five of them friendly to NATO (USA) and five being ememies of the state. The Z-1 is coming to and you have 3 seconds to make a decision of it is friendly or not????

The future swill not get any easier either as the gray area gets larger.

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Posted by Tojo72 on Monday, June 29, 2020 5:50 AM
Iranian Tomcats + Phantoms Venezuelan F-16's ISIS Abrams for a little while anyway Crazy stuff

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Posted by tankboy51 on Monday, June 29, 2020 9:35 AM

A Klingon in command of Federation Starship.   I'm  familiar to this.

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Posted by Nino on Monday, June 29, 2020 11:39 AM

History repeats.

Folks need to remember to remember.... or else!

 

USA and Japan,  Most everybody and Germany,  Mexico and the US...

Things change or do they really stay the same?

  How 'bout ancient History?

Any Historians out there?

 

    Nino

 

 

P.S.  Geeze..  F-16's and Mig 21's.  Friend or Foe?   

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Monday, June 29, 2020 11:43 AM

We knew years ago that the Poles were wanting to be a part of NATO. I was in Germany in 1990 when the former NVA became a part of the Bundeswehr. Top of the line Soviet vehicles now belonged to the West Germans.

Revell of Germany capitalized on this by reboxing several of the older DML Soviet kits with Bundeswehr markings and "new" nomenclatures in the 1990s.

https://www.scalemates.com/kits/revell-03003-spw-40p2-brdm-2--144976

https://www.scalemates.com/kits/revell-03063-schuetzenpanzerwagen-armoured-infantry-vehicle-btr-70-spw-70--102172

The Bundeswehr tried to get us to take a tank battalion's worth of T-72 to use as OPFOR at the NTC. All we needed to do was pay to ship them. But the logistics and training would be too much and they continued to use VIZMOD vehicles as Soviet armor. One T-72 was sent to Ft Irwin and put through the paces.

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Posted by Nino on Monday, June 29, 2020 11:47 AM

Rob,

 Is there a max Height requirement for crewmen in the T-72?

A taller guy wants to know...

 

     Nino 

 

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Monday, June 29, 2020 12:14 PM

Not as roomy as an M60 series tank, but for a short guy like me, it was more spacious than the Abrams. Both tanks are "more" better for shorter or average heighth guys than taller or big guys.

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, June 29, 2020 12:46 PM

DRUMS01

 

This stuff kind of makes those old friend or foe playing cards obsolete, right? (some will remember these) 

Yes, I do remember those. After IDing the vehicles in classes, for the ones used by Iran (M60, Chieftan, etc.), and with Iran being a potential foe in the mid 80’s, I would usually make some remarks to that effect... yeah its a “xxxx”, but it won’t necessarily be friendly.

 

DRUMS01

Your friends today may be your adversaries tomorrow, and your enemy of yesterday may be your ally today. 

What about the new AI smart weapons, how will they be able to tell if certian items are a threat or not? The new Z-1 military widget is sold to 10 countries, five of them friendly to NATO (USA) and five being ememies of the state. The Z-1 is coming to and you have 3 seconds to make a decision of it is friendly or not????

The Soviets had the right idea there with their “monkey model” lower capability export versions. Many of their client states were less than reliable. Defections with equipment happened on occasion, or sometimes the governments gave their Soviet brothers the boot. Not to mention having to actually fight those countries on occasion to put down “counter revolutionary“ folks who came to power. 1956 Hungary and 1968 Czechoslovakia are perfect examples of Red on Red combat. Full bore fighting in Hungary, and with maximum force but minimal bloodshed to crush Prague Spring.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by Bish on Monday, June 29, 2020 2:36 PM

If you want small, you should try crameing into the Scimitar in that photo. Glad i never had to drive one. And the BMP loioks damn low in the back as well.

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, June 29, 2020 2:45 PM

GAF

The world has gone mad! 

 

Yes, right now sure reminds me of the final verses of “Sympathy For The Devil”

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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