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Discussion on scale
Posted by DMACWW2 on Thursday, February 11, 2016 6:09 PM

I just heard a fellow talk about scale in a slightly different way than I was used to.

He used scale as an indication of distance rather then size.  So for a model in 1:48 scale, from the observers position, the model at 1 foot away, should look to the observer the same as the real thing when it is 48 feet away.  His point was that the amount of detail that we can precieve is effected by distance.

If you cannot preceive the panel lines on an aircraft that is 100 feet away from you, then you should not see the panel lines on a model of the aircraft 2 feet away.

An interesting way to make the decisions about the amount of detail that you represent or add to a model.

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  • From: Jax, FL
Posted by Viejo on Thursday, February 11, 2016 6:18 PM

Same would go for scale figures.....

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  • From: Fox Lake, Il., USA
Posted by spiralcity on Thursday, February 11, 2016 10:19 PM

In theory that would be correct, but thats not how we model. We model a replica in smaller scale. A shruken verision of the real deal to be precieved by the human eye as if under a magniying glass.

Imagine being a hundered feet away from the object but zooming in on the obect with a long focal lens mounted to a camera. How much detail will you see?

 

 

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  • From: N. Georgia
Posted by Jester75 on Friday, February 12, 2016 7:09 AM

I have heard this discussion before and for me personally, although it may be scientifically correct for a 1/48th scale aircraft to not have panel lines and rivets, it would make quite a boring and drab model without them. Again, that is just my personal feelings towards the subject and everyones mileage will obviously vary.

Eric

 

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  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Friday, February 12, 2016 9:02 AM

One advantage of considering viewing distance is that it lends some quantitative info for "scale effect,"  the effect of the atmosphere on color.  I personally believe we need to consider scale effect only on the smallest scales, say 1:144 aircraft or 1:350 ships.

In any popular scale the scale viewing distance of most aircraft models is so small that color effects of the atmosphere are unimportant. If the atmosphere were so foggy that you would see color effects, you would also see a loss of detail, but no one neglects detail just because of atmosphere. 

I still like the scales as either a ratio (1:72) or inch to foot ratios (1/4 inch per foot) because of simpler math in sizing parts, but I do think we need to be aware of scale viewing distance, based on normal close vision limits.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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  • From: Fox Lake, Il., USA
Posted by spiralcity on Friday, February 12, 2016 12:20 PM

I always looked at modeling in a rather simple way. We model as if we are the scale we are modeling.

 

 

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Posted by chango on Friday, February 12, 2016 12:46 PM

If only people would follow the "rule" instead of getting their noses in the rigging of a 1/350 ship... Crying

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  • From: hamburg michigan
Posted by fermis on Friday, February 12, 2016 10:04 PM

spiralcity

I always looked at modeling in a rather simple way. We model as if we are the scale we are modeling.

 

 

YES!

 

 

 

Speaking of "atmospheric effect"....here's some 1/1 atmospheric effect!!!

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  • From: Cameron, Texas
Posted by Texgunner on Saturday, February 13, 2016 8:12 AM

Fermis, down here in Texas we call that fog.Smile


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Posted by tankerbuilder on Saturday, February 13, 2016 8:17 AM

Aw Gee;

   I thought that was New Braunfels Mist !     T.B.

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Saturday, February 13, 2016 8:28 AM

Hi Don ;

    In all actuality most folks look at this in different ways . Me , Now I look at it this way . If I want a really interesting model plane . I will so very lightly mist a darker color for panel lines . This said , you can't hardly see them Unless the light hits it right . Just like the real thing .

     What I won't do now is specifically use a pen or paintbrush to show every little line in a color that pops  , therefore making the plane look like a street map . In my natural metal birds I cut every panel from foil , just slightly larger than it's neighbor .

    That way when I trim the overage away you have a distinctly visible , But , almost invisible line between . It's maybe less than the thickness of a sheet of paper . As far as actual size , well that has to be a judgement on the builders call .

      If you put a lot of work into a model ship for instance , Say you have lines running everywhere representing welds .You better look at the real subject again . You cannot see lines of welds if you are ten feet away if the lighting is poor , or average , much less a hundred !

    You see where I am going here ? Have a good one .     Tanker - Builder

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  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Saturday, February 13, 2016 9:19 AM

Yup, I'm with you, Tankerbuilder.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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