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P-40
Posted by razorbacks on Saturday, November 28, 2020 11:15 PM

good evening fellow modelers just laboring away on the 1/200 Titanic for my daughter, she has been bugging me for years to build her one. My question has nothing to do with this.......Was the P-40 ever fitted with a Merlin engine? If so did it come close to prefoming like the refitted Merlin mustang?

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, November 29, 2020 12:40 AM

Yes the P-40 had a couple variants fitted with the Merlin engine. The F and L were both equipped with the Merlin instead of the Allison engine. And the F actually came along in summer 1942, before the P-51 was equipped with the Merlin. But the performance increase was not so drastic on the P-40 as it was on the P-51 with the new powerplant. Which mainly goes back to the airframe itself, a mid 1930’s design, the P-36, adapted to fit an in line engine.

 

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Posted by fotofrank on Sunday, November 29, 2020 9:44 AM

Plus, the Merlin equiped P-40's did not have a supercharger engine. So they were still relegated to low and medium altitude just like the Allison P-40's.

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Posted by the Baron on Wednesday, December 16, 2020 11:46 AM

stikpusher

Yes the P-40 had a couple variants fitted with the Merlin engine. The F and L were both equipped with the Merlin instead of the Allison engine. And the F actually came along in summer 1942, before the P-51 was equipped with the Merlin. But the performance increase was not so drastic on the P-40 as it was on the P-51 with the new powerplant. Which mainly goes back to the airframe itself, a mid 1930’s design, the P-36, adapted to fit an in line engine. 

Yes, the position of the radiator intake had a big impact, too, didn't it?  That is, there was more drag with the chin intake on the P-40 than on the ventral position further back on the P-51.  I remember, too, that Curtiss considered a design when developing the P-40 that placed the intake where it would be later on the Mustang, but decided against it.  A perceived disadvantage was that debris would be blown up by the prop wash and enter the intake.

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, December 16, 2020 1:13 PM

From and engineering and production standpoint, keeping all of that up front would require less changes to the airframe and tooling for production.

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, December 16, 2020 4:30 PM

Just to be clear the P-40 and 51 engines referred to above were license built by Packard.

I hear "soaring tractor"s wing beats approaching.

 

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  • From: Sonora Desert
Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, December 16, 2020 9:22 PM

GMorrison

Just to be clear the P-40 and 51 engines referred to above were license built by Packard.

I hear "soaring tractor"s wing beats approaching.

 

Bill

 

 

Yes, it was called the Packard Merlin.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, December 16, 2020 9:54 PM

My F-I-L went over in fall 1942 to England with the "First Over" 314. They were issued the bristol Beaufighter, with the early air intercept radar.

Somewhere that Fall they went back to Buffalo to evaluate a P-40 Night Fighter. by the end of 1942 he was bound for Tunisia. Seemed to get the black projects; later were issued the P-61.

He had a nice rendering of a P-40 on the wall of his den, made no sense to me until he told me the story.

In Buffalo, he and his squadron went on the town when they had liberty.

5 Italian American sisters came along arm in arm.

He married one of them the day after he got back to the States. Had 5 hash marks on his sleeve.

 

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