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Posted by Retired In Kalifornia on Thursday, January 11, 2018 7:55 PM

MJames70

It does make one question the state of the hobby in general, at least in the Western world. While things seem to be chugging along okay in the Far East/Asia, much less so once you hit Western Europe and the US. 

Hornby, owner of Airfix, Humbrol, and many other brands, is in serious trouble in the UK. In many ways Hornby is a UK analouge of Hobbico. Airfix just announced their 2018 releases - a grand total of three new tools. one of them a revision of a last year release (Phantom). All airplanes, too. Zippo if you're a ship, armor, car, scifi, or figure modeler. Not good times there. 

Besides the Hobbico news, Testors has been serious decline in the US as well, dropping product lines and colors, after years of buying up the competition. They have been probably hurt by the rise of 'micro' brands of paint that seem to be everywhere these days. But their response seems to be to just give up, or a general disinterest in the hobby market these days, when they used to be a category leader.

Regardless, it is interesting, if not good, times. 

 

Enamels are what I use, know they'll be out of production at some point. Am praying daily I'll still be able to get them till quit the hobby which don't expect to till I complete all my Regia Aeronautica Italia builds hopefully by 2020 at the earliest.

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Friday, January 12, 2018 11:55 AM

Hopefully, Hobbico will restructure or sell instead of closing shop for good. Filing Chapter 11 doesn’t necessarily mean the option is to close shop and go belly up. I think they will right themselves up somehow.

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Posted by fermis on Friday, January 12, 2018 12:24 PM

Don Stauffer

 

 
modelmaker66

Plenty other fish in the sea. Nothing that cannot be acquired from other mfg. Revell hasn't been meaningful since the 1970's

 

 

 

Not all of us feel that way.  I, and a number of my friends, really like the new stuff they have been putting out for the last three or four years- not  the repops but the new mold stuff.  They are now producing great molding with fine detail, at great prices. 

I can agree with Modelmaker, regarding all the re-pops...being from the 60's-70's. I cut my teeth on those kits as a kid, and recut my teeth on em again, upon my latest return to building. These days, I have zero interest in any of em.

However, I can't think of anything to really complain about any Revell kit (that I have built), that has been put out in the last 20 years. I do think some are a bit overpriced, but if you compare to some other companies, the price is decent.

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Posted by silentbob33 on Friday, January 12, 2018 12:51 PM
I think you make a good point there Fermis, it's what we got started with. My son is starting to get into the hobby and he's getting his start with Revellogram kits. I read a lot about people complaining about the hobby dying, but what do they think will happen if there are no beginner's kits? I show my son a Monogram 1/48 SBD Dauntless he's excited because it looks like something he could build,but if I show him an Eduard 1/48 Fw190A-8 and his interest drops because of all the small parts and confusing directions. Those old Revellogram kits still have a relevant place in the hobby today, even if they aren't relevant for an individual person. Plus, I really like the old Revellogram kits...

On my bench: 1/48 Monogram Do-335

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Posted by Retired In Kalifornia on Friday, January 12, 2018 1:24 PM

fermis

 

 
Don Stauffer

 

 
modelmaker66

Plenty other fish in the sea. Nothing that cannot be acquired from other mfg. Revell hasn't been meaningful since the 1970's

 

 

 

Not all of us feel that way.  I, and a number of my friends, really like the new stuff they have been putting out for the last three or four years- not  the repops but the new mold stuff.  They are now producing great molding with fine detail, at great prices. 

 

 

I can agree with Modelmaker, regarding all the re-pops...being from the 60's-70's. I cut my teeth on those kits as a kid, and recut my teeth on em again, upon my latest return to building. These days, I have zero interest in any of em.

However, I can't think of anything to really complain about any Revell kit (that I have built), that has been put out in the last 20 years. I do think some are a bit overpriced, but if you compare to some other companies, the price is decent.

 

I'd built dozens of 1/72 resin airplane models over last dozen years, they're quarter, half, twice again the price of injected molded kits. Near all of them are the only of whatever airplane and/or variant on the market so really can't complain.

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Posted by richs26 on Friday, January 12, 2018 4:50 PM

Retired In Kalifornia

 

 
MJames70

It does make one question the state of the hobby in general, at least in the Western world. While things seem to be chugging along okay in the Far East/Asia, much less so once you hit Western Europe and the US. 

Hornby, owner of Airfix, Humbrol, and many other brands, is in serious trouble in the UK. In many ways Hornby is a UK analouge of Hobbico. Airfix just announced their 2018 releases - a grand total of three new tools. one of them a revision of a last year release (Phantom). All airplanes, too. Zippo if you're a ship, armor, car, scifi, or figure modeler. Not good times there. 

Besides the Hobbico news, Testors has been serious decline in the US as well, dropping product lines and colors, after years of buying up the competition. They have been probably hurt by the rise of 'micro' brands of paint that seem to be everywhere these days. But their response seems to be to just give up, or a general disinterest in the hobby market these days, when they used to be a category leader.

Regardless, it is interesting, if not good, times. 

 

 

 

Enamels are what I use, know they'll be out of production at some point. Am praying daily I'll still be able to get them till quit the hobby which don't expect to till I complete all my Regia Aeronautica Italia builds hopefully by 2020 at the earliest.

 

 

Actually it is environmental laws that are doing in the enamel paints driven in large part by the enviro-nuts in California.  They can't be shipped in the mail or UPS, etc which most hobby stuff is bought online rather in hobby stores, so they can only be shipped to stores with plenty of red tape.

WIP:  Monogram 1/72 B-26 (Snaptite) as 73rd BS B-26, 40-1408, torpedo bomber attempt on Ryujo

Monogram 1/72 B-26 (Snaptite) as 22nd BG B-26, 7-Mile Drome, New Guinea

Minicraft 1/72 B-24D as LB-30, AL-613, "Tough Boy", 28th Composite Group

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Posted by Retired In Kalifornia on Friday, January 12, 2018 5:00 PM

richs26

 

 
Retired In Kalifornia

 

 
MJames70

It does make one question the state of the hobby in general, at least in the Western world. While things seem to be chugging along okay in the Far East/Asia, much less so once you hit Western Europe and the US. 

Hornby, owner of Airfix, Humbrol, and many other brands, is in serious trouble in the UK. In many ways Hornby is a UK analouge of Hobbico. Airfix just announced their 2018 releases - a grand total of three new tools. one of them a revision of a last year release (Phantom). All airplanes, too. Zippo if you're a ship, armor, car, scifi, or figure modeler. Not good times there. 

Besides the Hobbico news, Testors has been serious decline in the US as well, dropping product lines and colors, after years of buying up the competition. They have been probably hurt by the rise of 'micro' brands of paint that seem to be everywhere these days. But their response seems to be to just give up, or a general disinterest in the hobby market these days, when they used to be a category leader.

Regardless, it is interesting, if not good, times. 

 

 

 

Enamels are what I use, know they'll be out of production at some point. Am praying daily I'll still be able to get them till quit the hobby which don't expect to till I complete all my Regia Aeronautica Italia builds hopefully by 2020 at the earliest.

 

 

 

 

Actually it is environmental laws that are doing in the enamel paints driven in large part by the enviro-nuts in California.  They can't be shipped in the mail or UPS, etc which most hobby stuff is bought online rather in hobby stores, so they can only be shipped to stores with plenty of red tape.

 

Believe Federal Laws & EPA Enforcement have more to do than the Cali-nuts regarding difficulties buying enamel paints but still can retail buy enamels & lacquers here though its getting harder no small part due to declining interest in handcraft hobbying.

There's still the Internet to go buy hobby supplies (yes, not problem currently getting enamels & lacquers via FedEX & UPS well as eBay via USPS) so right now ain't too worried but as I'd posted above praying daily I'll be able to buy enamel paints till will quit the hobby, i.e. most likely after I turn 80 which isn't all that many years from now knowing how Tempus Fugit.

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Posted by modelmaker66 on Friday, January 12, 2018 5:12 PM

Enamel paint is bad for the enviroment. It is not "nuts" that are calling for them to be banned, It's people with common sense and a concience toward the planet. They will be unavailable comeletely soon, and for just cause. The times they are a changing friend, get on board.

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Posted by Retired In Kalifornia on Friday, January 12, 2018 5:17 PM

modelmaker66

Enamel paint is bad for the enviroment. It is not "nuts" that are calling for them to be banned, It's people with common sense and a concience toward the planet. They will be unavailable comeletely soon, and for just cause. The times they are a changing friend, get on board.

 

Nope, will die with the Planet.

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Posted by Murphy's Law on Friday, January 12, 2018 5:55 PM

From Revell USA on my Twitter feed:

We want to thank you for your concern regarding the recent news of Hobbico's chapter 11 filing. Revell will continue to run business as usual and continue to provide best in class model kits. We appreciate your support. Please stay tuned for the latest new product releases.

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Posted by Retired In Kalifornia on Friday, January 12, 2018 5:58 PM

Murphy's Law

From Revell USA on my Twitter feed:

We want to thank you for your concern regarding the recent news of Hobbico's chapter 11 filing. Revell will continue to run business as usual and continue to provide best in class model kits. We appreciate your support. Please stay tuned for the latest new product releases.

 

Encouraging particularly the "please stay tuned"; thanks for the Twitter work!

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Posted by MJames70 on Friday, January 12, 2018 6:08 PM

Murphy's Law

From Revell USA on my Twitter feed:

We want to thank you for your concern regarding the recent news of Hobbico's chapter 11 filing. Revell will continue to run business as usual and continue to provide best in class model kits. We appreciate your support. Please stay tuned for the latest new product releases.

 

 

Typical spin doctoring from companies in trouble and their PR flacks. For what little it's worth, Revell Germany had a very similar statement on its Facebook page today. And it was just as vapid and empty. All it amounts to is 'Everything is fine! Please ignore the elephant in the room. Look, over there - Squirrel!'

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Friday, January 12, 2018 6:09 PM

modelmaker66

Enamel paint is bad for the enviroment. It is not "nuts" that are calling for them to be banned, It's people with common sense and a concience toward the planet. They will be unavailable comeletely soon, and for just cause. The times they are a changing friend, get on board.

 

 

And who to say lacquer isn't?  There's still enamel paints out there in all forms - rattle cans, etc... Let's not forget about the other forms of paint products - varnish, polyurethene, latex, etc... 

In all honesty, just how bad or harmful are they for the environment of all those small bottles of hobby enamel paints really are? Disposal of empty bottles? Easy, just take them to Waste Management where they know how to dispose of them properly. 

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for protecting the environment. But eliminating enamel hobby paint line is a bit of an overkill.

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, January 12, 2018 7:00 PM

Hmm I have no problem ordering enamels through the mail or ups.

They can be disposed of by opening the jar and letting them get hard.

 

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, January 12, 2018 7:07 PM

Some folks know better than the rest of us Blacksheep. And they will keep telling us that they do until we all live just like them under their rules. 

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

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Posted by Retired In Kalifornia on Friday, January 12, 2018 7:13 PM

 

GMorrison

Hmm I have no problem ordering enamels through the mail or ups.

They can be disposed of by opening the jar and letting them get hard.

 

 

 

Hear ya loud! Wrote about this elsewhere; 49 or so years ago mail ordered several "Official" Luftwaffe enamel colors in 1/4-ounce "Pactra" bottles after seeing them advertised in Scale Modeler Magazine, they'd arrived leakly, mushy, mostly hard, hard, extra hard, totally hard, just two bottles were usable. Doesn't take much to render enamels hard enough to become inert landfill.

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Posted by Wirraway on Friday, January 12, 2018 11:48 PM

Truly sorry to hear this news. My stash is stacked with Revell/Monogram. Always found them better value for money than Tamiya. Time to circle the wagons, take inventory, and stock up while you can. On a side note, an Australian manufacturer of side-cast fishing reels (Alvey) announced its closure after 90 years in production. The resulting flood in orders from people trying to get in before the closure has given them somewhat of a new lease of life.

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Saturday, January 13, 2018 9:18 AM

GMorrison

Hmm I have no problem ordering enamels through the mail or ups.

They can be disposed of by opening the jar and letting them get hard.

 

 

 

 

Same here. Never an issue having enamels shipped via Postal Service. However, they cannot be shipped via air. 

I have ordered lacquer paint from Japan BUT.... they are shipped by boat, not airmail.

Outside of the subject but did you know the FAA forbids lithium batteries shipped in cargo holds?

Watch and see why:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kd0EzQaEiZQ

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Saturday, January 13, 2018 9:52 AM

The only thing constant in this world is change.  Ask the dinosaurs.

I love enamels, and will continue to use them as long as they are available.  I have used them all my (long) life.  I will be 80 in a few months, and believe I am not too old to learn.

So, I bought a bottle of Vallejo's acrylic metallizer, and tried it to compare it to my normal Alclad.  Worked okay- probably take a few more models to get it to where my Alclad work is, but I will try again.  I am starting to use other acrylics more, just to be ready for the enamel/lacquer apocalypse.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by Gerg on Tuesday, January 16, 2018 3:30 PM

richs26 said  "Actually it is environmental laws that are doing in the enamel paints driven in large part by the enviro-nuts in California.  They can't be shipped in the mail or UPS, etc which most hobby stuff is bought online rather in hobby stores, so they can only be shipped to stores with plenty of red tape."

 
Despite the "red tape" and bothersome "environmental laws" and folks who don't care to have children with birth defects, California has the 6th largest economy in the world. Interesting huh?
 
Possibly, and I know I am really stretching reality here, the decline of enamel paint is consumer driven? For a variety of reasons people are buying less enamel year after year and at the same time buying more acrylic paint.  I am sure I am wrong but it would seem appropriate to put ones production resources behind acrylic and reduce enamel production. 
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Posted by Retired In Kalifornia on Tuesday, January 16, 2018 4:35 PM

Gerg

richs26 said  "Actually it is environmental laws that are doing in the enamel paints driven in large part by the enviro-nuts in California.  They can't be shipped in the mail or UPS, etc which most hobby stuff is bought online rather in hobby stores, so they can only be shipped to stores with plenty of red tape."

 
Despite the "red tape" and bothersome "environmental laws" and folks who don't care to have children with birth defects, California has the 6th largest economy in the world. Interesting huh?
 
Possibly, and I know I am really stretching reality here, the decline of enamel paint is consumer driven? For a variety of reasons people are buying less enamel year after year and at the same time buying more acrylic paint.  I am sure I am wrong but it would seem appropriate to put ones production resources behind acrylic and reduce enamel production. 
 

I only use acrylics for weathering work, have built a few models with them but prefer enamels. Do agree decline of enamel paint sales is consumer driven, just praying as I've posted before I'll be able to buy enamel hobby paint long as possible up till I quit the hobby for good or my "build" kit stockpile is gone which ever comes latter.

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Posted by Gerg on Tuesday, January 16, 2018 5:12 PM

When I returned to the hobby I decided to give acrylics a try. I have learned how to use them to some degree but I don't have faith that my results will be consistent. There is always that hesitation when getting the airbrush out. Now that I have a spray booth I am thinking I will do a build or two with enamels. I have no issues with enamels. I don't believe environmental laws are making them go away. I do think there have been refomulations that have occurred to make them safer and that has possibly affected quality. 

I am, at this point, a lurker. I have not found the time to be anything more than that. I do hope to contribute at some point. There are some really good people on this forum and we all have more in common than not. It is such a put-off when someone decides to drive a wedge between us with their view of the world. I would like to suggest that we follow the forum rules and not get policital or offensive.

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, January 16, 2018 6:05 PM

Gerg

 

 
Despite the "red tape" and bothersome "environmental laws" and folks who don't care to have children with birth defects, California has the 6th largest economy in the world. Interesting huh?
 
 

All is not “milk and honey“ here in CA... let’s just say that when I retire in a bit over 2 years, it’s time to leave. The writing is on the wall for those who care to look and read it. This place is a shadow of what it was 30 years ago. Or 50... I keep seeing plenty of great companies and their jobs relocate to other states. 

As far as enamels go, I’ve been using them for nearly 50 years now with no ill health effects. And none of my kids had birth defects. 

 

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by Retired In Kalifornia on Tuesday, January 16, 2018 6:29 PM

stikpusher

 

 
Gerg

 

 
Despite the "red tape" and bothersome "environmental laws" and folks who don't care to have children with birth defects, California has the 6th largest economy in the world. Interesting huh?
 
 

 

 

All is not “milk and honey“ here in CA... let’s just say that when I retire in a bit over 2 years, it’s time to leave. The writing is on the wall for those who care to look and read it. This place is a shadow of what it was 30 years ago. Or 50... I keep seeing plenty of great companies and their jobs relocate to other states. 

As far as enamels go, I’ve been using them for nearly 50 years now with no ill health effects. And none of my kids had birth defects.

Generations of family tied to California particularly on Mom's side so won't leave unless facing bankruptcy due to onerous Cost Of Living & Taxes.

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, January 16, 2018 9:05 PM

Likewise... my family has been in this state for generations as well... late 1800’s at least... but the lunatics are running the asylum now. Sacramento does not need my tax dollars to further it. And my pension will go farther elsewhere. 

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, January 16, 2018 9:28 PM

My daughter needs to pay for her own health care (with help from dad). Covered California is year round enrollment.

Property tax deduction will be upheld.

State will never go bankrupt.

But first and foremost, it's a beautiful and fullfilling place to live.

I've been all over the world. people say "where are you from?". 

"USA".

"Where in USA?".

"California".

"Oh, we went there. Great place".

DO you know that California's Constitution was bilingual? Why?

Well, first of all Spanish speaking people owned most of it until they got screwed in the courts, but also because the State took a position against slavery.

As a first generation CA native, I love my State like no other place on earth.

We have far more red counties than blue counties, but we have an incredibly diverse population.

The armed forces in the Pacific pass through here. Many return and never go farther.

California contributes more service personnel than any other state, respect offered to Texas as well.

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, January 16, 2018 9:48 PM

GMorrison

My daughter needs to pay for her own health care (with help from dad). Covered California is year round enrollment.

Property tax deduction will be upheld.

State will never go bankrupt.

But first and foremost, it's a beautiful and fullfilling place to live.

I've been all over the world. people say "where are you from?". 

"USA".

"Where in USA?".

"California".

"Oh, we went there. Great place".

DO you know that California's Constitution was bilingual? Why?

Well, first of all Spanish speaking people owned most of it until they got screwed in the courts, but also because the State took a position against slavery.

As a first generation CA native, I love my State like no other place on earth.

We have far more red counties than blue counties, but we have an incredibly diverse population.

The armed forces in the Pacific pass through here. Many return and never go farther.

California contributes more service personnel than any other state, respect offered to Texas as well.

 

 

Yes it is a wonderful place geographically... and the flora and fauna... the population, not so much... I do love the place as well.... 

as far as the red & blue aspects, well the numbers of people vs counties are the reason Sacramento is as it is now.

the armed forces do not pass thru here as much as they used to. Washington is the gateway to wherever now from the West Coast for the Army, Air Force, and a good portion of the Pacific Fleet. Only the Marines remain constant in their start and finish from here. But from fewer locations. Aside from training at Ft Irwin and in central California, the Regular Army is all but gone from here. Most of the Air Force is gone too. The Navy and Marine Corps footprint is much reduced as well. The Guard and reserves outnumber Regular forces in the state.

 

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, January 16, 2018 9:53 PM

Plan to die here.

On the phone now with the kid.

I think the single biggest issue we have is health care.

Anyhow, life seems to be the ball in pinball these days.

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Posted by Retired In Kalifornia on Tuesday, January 16, 2018 10:00 PM

GMorrison

My daughter needs to pay for her own health care (with help from dad). Covered California is year round enrollment.

Property tax deduction will be upheld.

State will never go bankrupt.

But first and foremost, it's a beautiful and fullfilling place to live.

I've been all over the world. people say "where are you from?". 

"USA".

"Where in USA?".

"California".

"Oh, we went there. Great place".

DO you know that California's Constitution was bilingual? Why?

Well, first of all Spanish speaking people owned most of it until they got screwed in the courts, but also because the State took a position against slavery.

As a first generation CA native, I love my State like no other place on earth.

We have far more red counties than blue counties, but we have an incredibly diverse population.

The armed forces in the Pacific pass through here. Many return and never go farther.

California contributes more service personnel than any other state, respect offered to Texas as well.

Second generation on Dad's side, third on Mom's. I've known people going back 4.

I'd help the folks build their house 40 years ago; I'd bought their graves, they're buried 12 minute walk from me. I'll be buried with them well as my late brother, his wife, my oldest sister when they go don't know about my twin sister.

I want the State Of Jefferson to happen but no chance in my lifetime, short of that Autonomy from crushing regulation & taxation but that won't happen either. I'll just endure till can't afford to do so any longer...  

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, January 16, 2018 10:03 PM

Well, California NG would swat you ll aside to get to the rail yards in Roseville.

 

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