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  • From: Southeast Kentucky
Posted by The Drifter on Saturday, June 01, 2019 3:10 PM

GMorrison

Guy buys a train ticket in Union Station for San Francisco.

Sees a train waiting on the platform.

"Looks like the 9.30 is right on time".

Agent- "yes, that's yesterday mornings train".

 

Bill,

I couldn't help but laugh when I saw this because Amtak is just like that here.

JEFF

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Posted by Silver on Thursday, June 06, 2019 4:50 PM

I have been at the top model contest shows in the U.K. and did not see any entry that stand out that showed overall detail.I seen the 1:24 scale airfix Hawker Typhoon built out of the box .Thats the best they had.Their metal finish aircraft were only one shaders that we’re dull.If I were to bring one of my super detail models there.I would wipe them all out and leave them in shock.My metal finish aircraft would blind them.Over all the U.S. will win.Lets not forget that modeling is to have fun.not to creat a war between modelers .Happy modeling from an old retired Viet Nam F-100 pilot.

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Posted by Bish on Friday, June 07, 2019 9:11 AM

I have heard of blowing your own trumpet but you've got an entire brass section going there mate.

And talk about contradicting yourself.

''I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so''

''Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?''

On the bench: Airfix 1/600 HMS Belfast/AMT Trade Federation Tank

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  • From: Southeast Kentucky
Posted by The Drifter on Friday, June 07, 2019 3:06 PM

Bish

I have heard of blowing your own trumpet but you've got an entire brass section going there mate.

And talk about contradicting yourself.

 

Properly said mate...cheers!

JEFF

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Posted by steve5 on Friday, June 07, 2019 4:35 PM

Bish

I have heard of blowing your own trumpet but you've got an entire brass section going there mate.

And talk about contradicting yourself.

 

here , here

 

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  • From: Honolulu, Hawaii
Posted by Real G on Friday, June 07, 2019 6:20 PM

Yeah...  I don't know.  I've been to the US Nationals seven times and the UK once, and I still stand on my observation that the overall quality in the competition room at the UK Nats was noticeably higher.  I'm no master modeler, but I know when I see a well built model.

No dings on the US guys, as I have seen some stupendous builds - Derek Brown's 1/72 M1 Abrams with full boogie moveable everything, including a removable gas turbine powerpack comes immediately to mind.  I saw that one in 2004 at Phoenix, my first Nationals.  My friend scratchbuilt a scary looking cold war tracked ICBM carrier in 1/72, and watching him build it over the course of more than a year was most impressive.  And Jim Wechler's scratchbuilt 1/35 MBT-70 looked like an injection kit, also at the 2004 Nats.  That was my favorite model.  Sorry all of the examples are armor, but it was a great turnout that year!  So yeah, the US guys also do put out high end builds.

But they are standouts in the crowd.  I had read that in order to be competitive at Telford (and in Europe), you had to do a "model doctor" build, i.e everything hanging out and unbuttoned.  That may not be 100% true, but I certainly did see more of that at Telford.

To be balanced, fair, and clear, I am only comparing the models in competition.  The group entry builds in the display-only area at Telford ran the normal gamut from good to bad.

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Posted by Bish on Friday, June 07, 2019 7:01 PM

My only experiance with US model builders is what i see on here, well, apart from the couple of guys in the club i belong to. But weather it be builds from the UK, US, mainland Europe, or any where else, i see plenty of totally stunning builds. Sure, some parts of the world may have different styles because thats what we see, but those styles are seen around the world and so can spread.

The main differance i see is whats actually being built. German subjects are built right around the world of course. Understandably, US subjects are popular in the states, but of course they are quite popular here to, given our links with the US military over the last 70+ years. Plus in the Uk we get more British stuff, especially armour and ships. And on here you see guys from different parts of the world are more likly to build subjects from home that you might not see in other countries.

So i think the only thing we can say is really different is the range of subjects which might be built in one country compared to another.

''I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so''

''Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?''

On the bench: Airfix 1/600 HMS Belfast/AMT Trade Federation Tank

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Posted by snapdragonxxx on Saturday, June 08, 2019 4:35 AM

Nothing like the arrogance of a big-head Yank Flyboy! Mouth still going at 500MPH with brain disconnected.

Opening mouth like that at SMW at Telford would cause trouble and a fight!

26 year decorated mud veteran climbing off soap box.

 

Shinden finished but still need to take finished photos. Turning attention to 1/32 Lancaster, Dambuster Special Ops version!

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Posted by keavdog on Saturday, June 08, 2019 5:17 AM

Silver - thanks for your service.  I would really like to hear about your experiences, especially in the F-100 - a beautiful airplane.  I haven't seen your work here.  Post up some pics, would love to see your NMF birds.

Thanks,

John

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Posted by GMorrison on Saturday, June 08, 2019 5:25 PM

keavdog
  Post up some pics, would love to see your NMF birds.
 

On a separate thread.

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Posted by Silver on Saturday, June 08, 2019 10:51 PM

My email is  benzay@comcast.net I’ll send some picks of my work if I can tex them to you.Post them for me if you can.Other modelers Have don’t like me much because I don’t hold anything back.Thank you if you can do this.

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Posted by Silver on Saturday, June 08, 2019 10:57 PM

F-100D can go 850 mph at the time and can eat a Hawker Hunter For lunch.

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Posted by GMorrison on Saturday, June 08, 2019 11:10 PM

Your nonsense has no place here. The British modelers on the forum are friends, and if you feel the need to slap at them, well they can defend themselves just fine, but I'll add that you are making a fool of yourself.

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Posted by keavdog on Saturday, June 08, 2019 11:26 PM

For figures specifically - how many modelers have an IMDB page!  John Rosengrant's work is increadible.

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0742603/

Bill Horan is a terrific painter but what sets him apart is he sculpts his stuff from scratch

https://www.facebook.com/pages/category/Artist/Bill-Horan-41469208652/

Matt Wellhouser I know personally and does increadible work

http://custmini.blogspot.com/

I think modelers don't have boundaries.... maybe a new group Modelers without borders Propeller

 

 

 

Thanks,

John

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  • From: USA
Posted by keavdog on Saturday, June 08, 2019 11:31 PM

Silver

My email is  benzay@comcast.net I’ll send some picks of my work if I can tex them to you.Post them for me if you can.Other modelers Have don’t like me much because I don’t hold anything back.Thank you if you can do this.

 

e-mail sent.

Thanks,

John

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  • From: USA
Posted by keavdog on Sunday, June 09, 2019 2:58 AM

What would be interesting would be the world series of modelers.  Take the best the UK/Europe has based on winning at the most prestigious contest (not sure what they are) vs the best of the current year IPMS nationals/AMPS/SCHAMS etc. and the best Asia has to offer.  That is something I'd like to see.  Take the optivisors off and go toe to toe ;)

Thanks,

John

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  • From: USA
Posted by keavdog on Sunday, June 09, 2019 3:39 AM

If you want to have a look here's some of Silvers really nice work

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/2/t/182168.aspx

 

 

 

Thanks,

John

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Posted by snapdragonxxx on Sunday, June 09, 2019 3:43 AM

@ Silver.

It took a British engine to make the P-51 the aircraft it became. Packard were granted a build licence to build the various marks of Merlin engines, but engineers from Rolls Royce had to go over and show them how.

It took 3 B-17's to carry the same load that 1 Lancaster could.

You would not have had the Jet engine until after the war if we Brits hadn't shared the technology.

The British military, of which I am proud to have served in for 26 years before being retired due to injuries has a saying about the American Military, but I won't post it as I don't want friction from the many friends who have served over the pond and are on here.

I don't enter competitions as I have no real faith in the Judges... That's my own feelings guys! The best accolades is from my peers on here and other places I post my builds and methods. When my builds go on display at model shows it is usually on Manufacturers Display stands, which, I think says something!

So, in the spirit of our special relationship between our countries and this forum and the friendships that form worldwide, let's both wind our necks in and share our methods and skills with the community!

 

BTW It's not the aircraft but the pilot and his skills that make the difference!

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Posted by steve5 on Sunday, June 09, 2019 3:44 AM

just got this from krakow . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqFb1XGDKgk

 

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Posted by keavdog on Sunday, June 09, 2019 4:07 AM

Just amazing work.  Collectively our community produces some of the finest museum quality models all over the world.  I wouldn't want to be a judge there but I'd say in terms of a perfect model... the invisible man wins ;)  Thanks for sharing that.

Thanks,

John

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Posted by steve5 on Sunday, June 09, 2019 4:30 AM

had to laugh at that john , good sense of humour to even think of entering that .

 

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, June 09, 2019 7:38 AM

Silver

My email is  benzay@comcast.net I’ll send some picks of my work if I can tex them to you.Post them for me if you can.Other modelers Have don’t like me much because I don’t hold anything back.Thank you if you can do this.

 

Its one thing to say what you think, its another to be suppremly arrogant. In fact your arrogance would put an Englishman to shame.

You have been to a few UK model shows and come to the following conclusions.

1)Brits do NMF in one shade.

2)Brits don't use AM

3)A build with AM is automatically better then one without.

 

But my personal experiance is this.

1)I have seen plenty of NMF builds with more than one shade, i have even done a couple myself. They may not be up to your vastly superior standard, but i guess that would actually prove you wrong.

2)I am British, well, i was the last time i checked. And i have been known on occasion to use AM. And i have seen builds on here from countrymen of yours who don't.

3)What complete twaddle.

I won't lower myself to the level of making silly little generalisations, at the end of the day this is meant to be a fun hobby and i come here to converse with freinds of a similar mind, not belittle people or try to show my superiority.

Happy modelling from a not yet retired N Ireland, Bosnia, Iraq and Afghanistan Infantryman.

''I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so''

''Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?''

On the bench: Airfix 1/600 HMS Belfast/AMT Trade Federation Tank

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, June 09, 2019 10:19 AM

snapdragonxxx

  

BTW It's not the aircraft but the pilot and his skills that make the difference!

 

Exactly. One of the highest scoring Soviet aces, Alexander Pokryshkin, (sp?) gained his kills while flying the “inferior” P-39 and MiG-3. And most of those were in the “iron dog” P-39. 

 

 

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, June 09, 2019 10:29 AM

Oh you are just going to hear back from the Ejection Seat Hero about why he's right and you're wrong.

BTW the Hunter was operational in 1951 and the F-100 was operational in 1954. In terms of pure speed, while the F-100 could max at 850 mph, the EE Lightning, which also went operational in 1954; could fly at 1,300 mph.

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  • From: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Posted by goldhammer on Sunday, June 09, 2019 10:48 AM

Regardless of"country of origin", I enjoy seeing what is built in other parts of this rock we all call home.  

I know I pick up tips and ideas from everywhere to try and improve the skill set.  How well that works out is yet to be determined.

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  • From: Sunny So. Cal... The OC
Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, June 09, 2019 10:57 AM

Generationally, the Hunter is more in league with the F-84F or F-86H as trans sonic aircraft, than the F-100 which was super sonic. 

 

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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  • From: Southeast Kentucky
Posted by The Drifter on Sunday, June 09, 2019 1:05 PM

GMorrison

Your nonsense has no place here. The British modelers on the forum are friends, and if you feel the need to slap at them, well they can defend themselves just fine, but I'll add that you are making a fool of yourself.

 

YesYes

JEFF

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Posted by The Drifter on Sunday, June 09, 2019 1:13 PM

steve5

just got this from krakow . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqFb1XGDKgk

 

Thanks for posting....That would have been a great show to attend. There was a lot of outstanding builds in each genre. And the show location was very fitting.

JEFF

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Posted by The Drifter on Sunday, June 09, 2019 1:27 PM

Bish

 

 
Silver

My email is  benzay@comcast.net I’ll send some picks of my work if I can tex them to you.Post them for me if you can.Other modelers Have don’t like me much because I don’t hold anything back.Thank you if you can do this.

 

 

 

Its one thing to say what you think, its another to be suppremly arrogant. In fact your arrogance would put an Englishman to shame.

You have been to a few UK model shows and come to the following conclusions.

1)Brits do NMF in one shade.

2)Brits don't use AM

3)A build with AM is automatically better then one without.

 

But my personal experiance is this.

1)I have seen plenty of NMF builds with more than one shade, i have even done a couple myself. They may not be up to your vastly superior standard, but i guess that would actually prove you wrong.

2)I am British, well, i was the last time i checked. And i have been known on occasion to use AM. And i have seen builds on here from countrymen of yours who don't.

3)What complete twaddle.

I won't lower myself to the level of making silly little generalisations, at the end of the day this is meant to be a fun hobby and i come here to converse with freinds of a similar mind, not belittle people or try to show my superiority.

Happy modelling from a not yet retired N Ireland, Bosnia, Iraq and Afghanistan Infantryman.

 

Once again Bish, well put! 

I was hoping that this would not happen. My main goal to this post was to discuss the differences between the UK and US as far as model details, weathering, dioramas, PE and AM. But, like anything there is always one person that has to get "personal". The way I see it....that each individual no matter where they are from has the ability to create a build in their own eyes. It does not matter if it is the UK, US, Poland, Japan, Germany, Russia, Thailand or anywhere else in Europe...each one has there own style of building and detailing a model. I enjoy all because of the different styles.

From one infantryman to another...thank you for your insight.

JEFF

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, June 09, 2019 1:36 PM

The Drifter

 

 
Bish

 

 
Silver

My email is  benzay@comcast.net I’ll send some picks of my work if I can tex them to you.Post them for me if you can.Other modelers Have don’t like me much because I don’t hold anything back.Thank you if you can do this.

 

 

 

Its one thing to say what you think, its another to be suppremly arrogant. In fact your arrogance would put an Englishman to shame.

You have been to a few UK model shows and come to the following conclusions.

1)Brits do NMF in one shade.

2)Brits don't use AM

3)A build with AM is automatically better then one without.

 

But my personal experiance is this.

1)I have seen plenty of NMF builds with more than one shade, i have even done a couple myself. They may not be up to your vastly superior standard, but i guess that would actually prove you wrong.

2)I am British, well, i was the last time i checked. And i have been known on occasion to use AM. And i have seen builds on here from countrymen of yours who don't.

3)What complete twaddle.

I won't lower myself to the level of making silly little generalisations, at the end of the day this is meant to be a fun hobby and i come here to converse with freinds of a similar mind, not belittle people or try to show my superiority.

Happy modelling from a not yet retired N Ireland, Bosnia, Iraq and Afghanistan Infantryman.

 

 

 

Once again Bish, well put! 

 

I was hoping that this would not happen. My main goal to this post was to discuss the differences between the UK and US as far as model details, weathering, dioramas, PE and AM. But, like anything there is always one person that has to get "personal". The way I see it....that each individual no matter where they are from has the ability to create a build in their own eyes. It does not matter if it is the UK, US, Poland, Japan, Germany, Russia, Thailand or anywhere else in Europe...each one has there own style of building and detailing a model. I enjoy all because of the different styles.

From one infantryman to another...thank you for your insight.

 

Variety is the spice of life as they say. And your thread has been very interesting as its great to get a different perspective. As goldhammer says, its great to get to see things from all over the globe.

''I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so''

''Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?''

On the bench: Airfix 1/600 HMS Belfast/AMT Trade Federation Tank

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