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Retracting the rotars on Trumpeter 1/35 Chinook?

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Retracting the rotars on Trumpeter 1/35 Chinook?
Posted by Wilbur Wright on Friday, September 26, 2008 3:42 PM

Is anyone familiar with this kit. Built it? can the rotors be built in retracted position or would it be very difficult?

 

I've only built one helicopter, the Hasegawa Sea-King and that kit had the optional parts to retract.

 

Space display considerations are the reason. Advice appreciated.

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Posted by HeavyArty on Saturday, September 27, 2008 12:14 AM
There are no provisions in the kit to fold the rotors.  Furthermore, if you are talking about the A model, the actual ones didn't fold either.  you would have to modify the blades on the D model quite a bit to fold them.  The folding blades are different than the non-folding type.

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Posted by Avus on Saturday, September 27, 2008 2:13 AM

Interesting subject, since I was considering on converting them to folded ones on my Hook for the same reason.
I'm planning on doing a "SOAR"-Hook (golf or echo).

Do you have more info on the folding system, Gino? I'd really be interested.

Sorry for stealing the thread!

Klaus

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Posted by HeavyArty on Saturday, September 27, 2008 2:28 AM
I don't have any more info in the way of pics or drawings.  Now that you metion it though, I think only Spec Ops MH-47 models have the folding blades.  O.K., maybe not. 

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Posted by Boggie on Saturday, September 27, 2008 6:07 AM

Hi guys

You'd know better than I what series of CH-47 this is with folding blades.

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Posted by HeavyArty on Saturday, September 27, 2008 6:21 AM
Yup, those are D models.  So all D and later models have the folding blades.

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Posted by Wilbur Wright on Saturday, September 27, 2008 3:55 PM

I have the D model 101st airborne. would love to build it rotors out, however not practical for space limitations.

Are there diferent blades on all D model Chinooks? Wouldn't they all be retractable? 

I appreciate the input. Its a spectacular model. 

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Posted by grandadjohn on Saturday, September 27, 2008 7:13 PM
It is possible that some older D models still have non-retractable blades on them. Like always it's a matter of time and $$$$$$$ until they are all done. Most likely they would be replaced during a rebuild
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Posted by Ishthe47guy on Tuesday, January 6, 2009 1:05 AM

Hey all.  Just thought I'd chime in on a topic I'm pretty familiar with.  I was a CH-47 mechanic & crewmember in the military for 15 years, & I'm still working on the beasts as a civilian.

Folding the blades like you see in the pictures is not terribly complicated, but by no means is it automatic.  The blade dampers have to be removed (just two bolts on each) on the blades that are going to be folded over the aircraft.  Once the dampers have been disconnected, the blade is free to swing about on its pin.  There is a lot less friction between the blade & its pin than you would think because of its size.  Also, inside the aircraft, the number 9 driveshaft has to be removed (not to hard, 10 bolts...) so that two blades will sit over the center of the aircraft at the same time. 

 The blade support stands are installed & the crew just rotates the blades into the stands.

There have only been three types of rotor blades on 47s.  The first were narrow chord metal blades with a big triangular bracket on the blade as the attachment point for the damper.  These were on the A models.  The B models had  fiberglass blades with a slightly larger chord (32 inch). The early C models had these blades also. Later C's & all D & subsequent models (E,F,G) have the current wide chord (36 inch) fiberglass blades.

The blades have never been considered retractable, but more so they have the ablity to be folded.  I've done shipboard ops, but since we had the aft deck all to ourselves, we never had to fold the blades.

 

Chris Ish

 

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Posted by J.H. Primm on Tuesday, January 6, 2009 6:38 AM
 Ishthe47guy wrote:

  The B models had  fiberglass blades with a slightly larger chord (32 inch). The early C models had these blades also. Later C's & all D & subsequent models (E,F,G) have the current wide chord (36 inch) fiberglass blades.

The blades have never been considered retractable, but more so they have the ablity to be folded.  I've done shipboard ops, but since we had the aft deck all to ourselves, we never had to fold the blades.

 

Chris Ish

 

Chris is right. I also crewed CH-47s for a considerable amount of time, I began working and crewing A models, then C models and finally they dragged me kicking and screaming to crew D models. This time included 3 years with 2/160th SOAR and more than my share of CH-47 load outs.

As Chris mentions, A models had a narrow chord blade consisting of a titanium spar with a series of  aluminum skinned "pockets" attached. This technology was fairly standard and was widely used. B and C models had improved blades, but still a fairly narrow chord.

To add some insight as to FRBs, they came into service in the mid 80s at about the same time the "D" model was being fielded. The blades were retrofitted to C models (and I believe some of the existing B models) The advantage of  wider chord on the FRBs was increased lift and as a side benefit, the rotor system was operated at lower RPMs, which meant less wear on the drive train and airframes.

Chris is also correct in stating that there has never been any provisions for an "automated" blade fold as exists on CH-46s. While the concept of folding blades on Chinooks is an simple one, and there are balde fold kits made for the aircraft, folding the blades  is time consuming and manpower extensive. 

When I was stationed at Hunter Army Airfield, we sometimes had to pack the hangar in preparations for hurricanes...It took less time to completely pull the blades (all that had to be removed was one bolt on the blade damper and the vertical hinge pin) than to fold them, plus, there weren't enough blade fold kits for all the aircraft we wanted to put in the hangar.

Now on the face of it, it would seem like less work to simply pull the #9 synch shaft and the damper bolts and fold the blades, but when the aircraft is put back together, the rotor system has to be "phased" to ensure that there is no blade to blade contact between the forward and aft rotor systems which can be time consuming.

When prepping a CH-47 for a C-5 load out, common practice was to pull all the blades, pull both rotor heads, pull the forward transmission, and the aft pylon. The blades and rotor heads were then put inside the helicopter and the forward transmission and aft pylon were tied down seperately. It sounds like a lot of work...and it is,  but a crew that has done it often enough can complete the process in a matter of hours.

My thoughts? Screw all the blade fold crap and just pull the damn things, and when you get where you're going, hang the blades back on.

Jonathan Primm

 

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Posted by Retired Gunpilot on Sunday, January 11, 2009 6:09 PM

Did you order the D or the A model? I just ordered the 47A. I'm kinda sweet to the older helciopters. I've been searching the web for reviews but have not found anything on the A model yet.

Charlie

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