Operation Gothic Serpent (Somalia) MH-60L question

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Operation Gothic Serpent (Somalia) MH-60L question

  • I have read and been told by many that the 160th SOAR MH-60Ls used in Op Gothic Serpent did not have IFR probes on them, nor internal or external Aux tanks due to the ranges being flown and the need for max pax space. Here are my questions:

    Was the right side step fairing a normal "L" model one, or was the larger one for the IFR probe still installed, but with no actual probe sticking out of it?

    If the larger step fairing was installed, would the hole where the IFR probe goes be capped, or just left as a large hole in the front of the sponson?

    Anyone have any ideas?

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  • 61 and 65 did have the seats for sure...))))
  •  intruder_bass wrote:

    Also I heared that one of Black Hawks did not have even gunner seats.... Just pilot seats and thats it!

    Not sure which one though.... I'll try to find out))))

     

    Most, if not all were withoug the gunners seats.  They used 40mm ammo cans to sit on.  It gave them more room in the cabin for extra troopers and gear.

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  • Also I heared that one of Black Hawks did not have even gunner seats.... Just pilot seats and thats it!

    Not sure which one though.... I'll try to find out))))

  •  salbando wrote:
    Hate to throw a wrench in the gears but I remember that at least one of the TF MH-60's did not have the weather radar (S-67?).

    Super 67 it was.

  • Jon,
    I think that's the deal (post Gothic Serpent photo). I also noticed the ESSS, and as best as I can remember I never saw the MH-60s in Mog use ESSS. I think the DAP crews did use ESSS doing proficiency training up the beach, but can't confirm it.
  • Intruder,

    Whoops, just lookin at the pic of Southern Comfort you posted. No ALQ-144 fitted there. Don't know if that pic was taken before or after Gothic Serpent.
    "1-6 is in hot"
  • Jon,
    That's one thing I know for sure, and that is that every TF MH-60 had a disco ball (AN/ALQ-144).

    Sorry guys..I stand corrected on the MH-60 SATCOM antenna. Everything else is best as I can remember, but pretty firm.
  • QUOTE: Originally posted by Cobrahistorian

    Interesting that -65 doesn't have the disco ball fitted either...



    Do you have picture of -65 without disco ball? If you nean the one in my post - its not of -65. I used it just as an example for SATCOM antenna


    Andy
  • Interesting that -65 doesn't have the disco ball fitted either...
    "1-6 is in hot"
  • Looks like a round SatCom on this pic of Venom, Super 64, as well.

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  • Guess I have to find a picture Sal sent me. It was the tail section of a MH-60L in Somalia. Hope that can see the Satcom. I'll get back to you later today.

    ...or maybe tomorrow! Ashamed [*^_^*]

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  • Thanks guys!
    One more thing about MH-60L SATCOM. Are you sure it was "batwing" style? Not the disc (cercle)?

    Just wondering cuz at first I made X-type on my Black Hawk and sent pics of it to crew chief of Super 65 - Pat Powers for approvalWink [;)] He pointed my mistake and told me that SATCOM on their's MH-60s where just like on this photo:


    Maybe I am wrong but it looks like dish or oval to me....just like Academy gives us in the kit for Paw Hawk...
    PLS correct me if its not true

    Andy


  • Found on hyperscale:


    When I get home from work tonight, I'll see if I can find my Nightstalker books and scan in some pix

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  • Here's what I remember (wish I could find the G$#%$^ photos):

    All of the Killer Eggs that I remember were configured with two 7-shot 2.75" FFAR tubes, and 2 M-134's. They also had a type of engine exhaust deflector shroud that angled down off of the regular exhaust you'd normally see on standard H-500's. Bear in mind I'm only guessing at the function, but that seemed like the most plausible explanation (engine exhaust deflection) in my mind. The weird thing is I'm pretty sure that the Six Pax didn't have them. Maybe it was due to an armament thing......couldn't tell ya. Maybe Jonathan knows.
    The Six Pax always had benches and FRIES tubes installed.
    As far as SATCOM for both of them, I'm pretty sure they had it and I almost want to say that they had X-antennas as opposed to the MH-60's which had SATCOM with batwing antennas. As far as describing the batwing, the vertical blade is swept forward and the horizontal blade is...well...kinda like a squared off batwing. I'd bet a paycheck Gino, Grant, or Avus have a photo of it somewhere.
    Lastly, I'm fairly confident that the SIx Pax didn't have FLIR nor even FLIR mounts, controls or displays. And I'm not positive but I think it was the same deal for the Killer Eggs as well. NODs/NVGs were pretty much the name of the game for night missions. They both did have the IR light on the nose. I do know that the MH-60's had FLIR, but at least one (maybe more) didn't have the radar.
    Nothing there had plume detectors.

    Now......I'm gonna go have a glass of scotch. It was one of those kinda days at work.

    Bando