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Other Unusual Vietnam Helicopters. (No Hueys Allowed)
Posted by skypirate1 on Sunday, July 22, 2007 6:57 PM

Through researching the huey i have come across a some very interesting pictures of some of the other helicopters that were used during the Vietnam War. The huey seems to be the main focus of everyones attention (and rightly so Wink [;)]) but the other helicopters do deserve a mention and a home on here for some of the more interesting shots or unusual armamant system configurations or artwork. If you come across any pictures that may be of interest regarding any of the other helicopters used in Vietnam, this could be the place to post them.

Any interesting or unusual info or shots regarding the OH-13, OH-6A, 0H-58A, H-34, AH-1G, CH-46/7, HH-3, HH-43, UH-2, CH-53, CH-54, Would be a great help to me and anyone else researching or building one of these models.

I will start things off with some of the shots i have come across.

This is a shot of the Company Commander of the 25th Aviation Battalion getting a feel for the Minigun (photo taken 1969)

Anyone ever seen a door mounted minigun on a loach??

You have now!

This next photo is one of my favorites, sorry no date or details, but i think the picture speaks for itself. A Loach armed with two M200 19 shot rocket pods and an M5 40mm grenade launcher!! No way !!

The last picture for now, is a helicopter in action shot.  

Nothing unusual in the picture at first glance.. until you realise whats going on.

This 0H-13 had been scouting due to reports of enemy in the area. Suddenly to the surprise of everybody, a VC recoilless rifle team came out of nowhere!! This shot was taken seconds after blues had jumped off the first huey to land in the LZ and seconds before they had to "deal" with the team!

Andy

 

 

 

 

 

While the rest of the crew may be in the same predicament, it's almost always the pilot's job to arrive at the crash site first.
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Posted by rotorwash on Sunday, July 22, 2007 7:35 PM

Andy,

  You beat me to the punch on this thread.  You should be aware that the OH-6 armed to the teeth with the M200 pods and M5 was done just as a what if shot.  The bird couldn't get off the ground with all that stuff on it!  I know this configuration never flew because I rememeber the story on the unit web site.  As I, like you, have visited many web sites, I can't recall the specific unit, but I bet someone will point it out soon.

   Ray
 

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Posted by skypirate1 on Sunday, July 22, 2007 8:12 PM

Ray,

Sorry mate, i just keep coming across these great shots of other helos and dont have anywhere to post them. Im sure you have come across loads too. Seems a shame to let them go to waste.

I found it !! was just doing a search of M5s on 0H-6s and up it popped.

""OH-6G" was the creation of the Maintenance Section of "The Real Cav", B Troop 7/17th Air Cavalry Squadron, which was stationed near Pleiku in early 1972. Armed with a 40mm grenade launcher in a nose turret, and two 19-tube 2.75 inch rocket launchers, the "OH-6G" was ready to take on anything. Unfortunately, the weight of the armament kept the little bird from taking off."

http://vietnamresearch.com/air/helo/

I was pretty sure it was to good to be true, a great "what if " photo though!

A couple of 0H-6 side mounted grenade launcher shots to cheer us up lol.

Andy

 

 

While the rest of the crew may be in the same predicament, it's almost always the pilot's job to arrive at the crash site first.
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Posted by grandadjohn on Sunday, July 22, 2007 9:17 PM

 

"Big Mother" a CH-54A of the 1st Cav being readed for it's third bomber mission with the 10,000lb to clear a LZ.

And let's not forget those ACH-47A "Guns-a Go-Go" birds

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Posted by rotorwash on Sunday, July 22, 2007 10:04 PM

Here's a 11th Air Cav OH-13 with some nice nose art from the collection of Ronald Scheck of the 176th AHC.

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Posted by skypirate1 on Monday, July 23, 2007 3:07 PM

Grandad,

Thats a great shot! i never realised that they were used to drop those "Instant LZ" daisy cutter bombs. Ive only ever seen them being pushed out the back of C-130s, though i think they were the larger 15000lb bombs.

Trying to make out whats been written on the bomb..Something "headache" ?? are your eyes better than mine?

Do you know which Air Cav unit "Big Mother" would have been attached to? would it have been the 15th Supply and Service Battalion? or the 15th Transportation Battalion?? i have no idea when it comes down to CH-54/A's.

Thanks for posting the picture.

Andy 

 

 

 

 

While the rest of the crew may be in the same predicament, it's almost always the pilot's job to arrive at the crash site first.
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Posted by chopperfan on Monday, July 23, 2007 5:03 PM

Hey Andy. I've got that same picture in a pictorial history of the air war in Vietnam.

In that time era, of which I was a part (telling my age), there was a commercial on television for Excedrin pain reliever. They used the lead in line "Excedrin headache #3 or 8 or whatever" then they would show something half-a$$ed humorous, like a kid banging cymbals or something of that nature. That is what is written on the bomb, "Excedrin Headache #10,003" as this was the third 10,000 pounder dropped by "Big Mother".

Sorry this was so drawn out. 

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Posted by ikar01 on Monday, July 23, 2007 5:43 PM

Don't forget the HH-43 Pedro.  Sorry, husky.  No, keep it Pedro. 

 

I'd post a picture, but I don't know how.

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Posted by grandadjohn on Monday, July 23, 2007 7:26 PM
Gave as much info on the Crane as I could find, sorry
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Posted by Chief Snake on Monday, July 23, 2007 7:40 PM
 chopperfan wrote:

Hey Andy. I've got that same picture in a pictorial history of the air war in Vietnam.

In that time era, of which I was a part (telling my age), there was a commercial on television for Excedrin pain reliever. They used the lead in line "Excedrin headache #3 or 8 or whatever" then they would show something half-a$$ed humorous, like a kid banging cymbals or something of that nature. That is what is written on the bomb, "Excedrin Headache #10,003" as this was the third 10,000 pounder dropped by "Big Mother".

Sorry this was so drawn out. 

478th HHCo had an attached element to the 15th Trans Bn.

 

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Posted by ikar01 on Monday, July 23, 2007 8:50 PM
I remember seeing skycranes flying through our area when I was in high school.  Impressive sight back then especially when they had a pod or carrying some load.

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Posted by Cobrahistorian on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:02 AM

Heh heh heh...

Just wait until I get back to my computer.  

 

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Posted by richgb on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 8:31 AM

......more Skycrane pics please

 

Rich

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Posted by grandadjohn on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 11:23 AM
 Cobrahistorian wrote:

Heh heh heh...

Just wait until I get back to my computer.  

 

Jon 

 

Me thinks Jon has some photo's for us

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Posted by chopperfan on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 12:01 PM
 grandadjohn wrote:
 Cobrahistorian wrote:

Heh heh heh...

Just wait until I get back to my computer.  

 

Jon 

 

Me thinks Jon has some photo's for us

ME thinks you are probably very accurate in your assumption. 

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Posted by Cobrahistorian on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:01 PM
Methinks I have some of the oddest Cobra photos around...
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Posted by rotorwash on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:17 PM

Jon,

  What about those UH-2 pics? 

 Ok here's some pics of the grandady of all helo gun systems, the XM-1 also known as the "Old Ironsides Kit"

It was a twin Browning 30 cal system designed by CWO Clem H. Womack for troop D 1st squadron, 1st Cavalry, 1st Armored Division.  

  Here is the documentation that acompanied the pics (they are part of a study on early helo weapons systems):

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The following set of pictures is basiclly a walkaround of the system on an OH-13:

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The notes on the picture were there when I took the photo.

 This last shot is one of my favorites because I believe there is a good chance that this is the first photo documentation of a helicopter gun run!

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Enjoy! 

             Ray
 

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Posted by chopperfan on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:27 PM

 Cobrahistorian wrote:
Methinks I have some of the oddest Cobra photos around...

And ME thinks I am looking forward to them!!! 

Randie [C):-)]Agape Models Without them? The men on the ground would have to work a lot harder. You can help. Please keep 'em flying! http://www.airtanker.com/
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Posted by grandadjohn on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:46 PM
 chopperfan wrote:

 Cobrahistorian wrote:
Methinks I have some of the oddest Cobra photos around...

And ME thinks I am looking forward to them!!! 

 

And me thinks the same

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Posted by skypirate1 on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:33 PM

Randie,

Thanks for putting the "excedrin" thing to bed for me, i would never have got it. You have saved me from pulling any more contorted faces at the monitor trying to work out what it saidThumbs Up [tup].

ikar01,

I hadnt forgot the HH-43 Husky, Check the list Smile [:)].

Chief Snake,

Thanks for the 478th HHC info, Any rough idea on how many 478th cranes would be in use with 15th Trans Bn at any one time?

Ray,

Great OH-13 shots and info. I agree it would be nice to see some unusual Seasprite pics.

Rich,

I dont have many cool shots of Skycranes but i found another shot of GrandadJohn's "Big Mother" with that bomb Smile [:)]

Jon,

Cant wait to see your Cobra pics. As ever, im always hunting for new helicopter video sites. Pictures are great but its nice to see the helos in action. I found another site and its got a clip of a Cobra becoming a victim of "Brownout" you also get to see the cockpit windows being blown out for the crew to escape! thought you might be interested.

http://www.griffin-helicopters.co.uk/videos/playonevideo.asp?videokey=1612

And a clip of a Skycrane " losing it" for a second.. (turn your speakers down its LOUD!)

http://www.griffin-helicopters.co.uk/videos/playonevideo.asp?videokey=393

There are loads of other Helicopter clips on there (some very sobering!) Anyway.. Enjoy.

Andy.

 

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Posted by chopperfan on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:56 PM
You're welcome, Andy and thans for the other picture of "Big Mother". I have never seen that one.
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Posted by KrazyCat on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 5:18 PM

Hello Guys!

I am glad to see that interest in the unusual has spread from Hueys to other vietnam choppers as well! I think we all eagerly await Jon's Cobra pics :) So, to give You something to do while we wait I got a couple of pics that might be of interest to You. First some addtional info on the ''Big Mother''. She was a CH-54A 67-18418 and, as previously noted, in service with 478th HHC. I found a colour version of the photo of Big Mother being prepped for bombing mission. The photo was taken in 1968 at Da Nang.

 

 

And a couple of rather dramatic images of ''Excedrin Headache'' on its way towards the target. I did some digging and apparently the whole idea didn't live up to expectations as bombing accuracy wasn't really good and only one of the four bombs dropped by the Big Mother produced a usefull clering for a LZ. Nevertheless, the sight of that thing going off must have been spectacular...

 

 

Now, from the biggest to the smallest :) I found a couple of pics of the Loach with the door mounted mini. As far as I can tell it is the same system as the one depicted in Andy's post. The OH-6A ''Borrowed Time'' was in service with the D troop 3rd Squadron 4th Cavalry (the Centaurs). Note the addition of M60 flash suppressors to the minigun barrels. Hope this pics will help anybody who decides to build this one-of-a-kind Loach.

 

 

Enjoy,

 

Marko

 

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Posted by skypirate1 on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 6:06 PM

Marko,

WOW!!!

Where the hell do you find your pics lol?? i want in on the secret Big Smile [:D]. Either you have a search engine over there in Slovenia that none of us have ever heard of,or you have insider information Wink [;)].

Great pictures mate Thumbs Up [tup], Thanks for sharing the results of the hard work you have so obviously put in to your helicopter research.

Awsome stuff.

Andy.

(PS. The OH-6 in the door mounted Minigun picture i posted was from the 25th Avn Bn and called "Diamondhead" i dont have any tail number info.. sorry. But i think we can safely say that we have a two-of-a-kind loach now).

 

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Posted by Chief Snake on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 6:10 PM
 skypirate1 wrote:

Randie,

Thanks for putting the "excedrin" thing to bed for me, i would never have got it. You have saved me from pulling any more contorted faces at the monitor trying to work out what it saidThumbs Up [tup].

ikar01,

I hadnt forgot the HH-43 Husky, Check the list Smile [:)].

Chief Snake,

Thanks for the 478th HHC info, Any rough idea on how many 478th cranes would be in use with 15th Trans Bn at any one time? 

Ray,

Great OH-13 shots and info. I agree it would be nice to see some unusual Seasprite pics.

Rich,

I dont have many cool shots of Skycranes but i found another shot of GrandadJohn's "Big Mother" with that bomb Smile [:)]

Jon,

Cant wait to see your Cobra pics. As ever, im always hunting for new helicopter video sites. Pictures are great but its nice to see the helos in action. I found another site and its got a clip of a Cobra becoming a victim of "Brownout" you also get to see the cockpit windows being blown out for the crew to escape! thought you might be interested.

http://www.griffin-helicopters.co.uk/videos/playonevideo.asp?videokey=1612

And a clip of a Skycrane " losing it" for a second.. (turn your speakers down its LOUD!)

http://www.griffin-helicopters.co.uk/videos/playonevideo.asp?videokey=393

There are loads of other Helicopter clips on there (some very sobering!) Anyway.. Enjoy.

Andy.

 

The cranes were new to the 1st Cav in 1964, records indicate 4-6 airframes were in use in 1965-66. As more cranes became available new companies were raised, the 273rd and 355th. By 1968 it appears that each company may have had as many as 9 airframes each. The 478th was split between the 1st Cav and the 101st Abn Divisions with 4 aircraft each. The 159th Avn Bn supported the cranes within the 101st Div.

 

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Posted by grandadjohn on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 6:58 PM

Thanks for the new photo's of Big Mother and the additional info.

OK, here are a couple of Seasprite photo's

Tested by the Army in the early 60's as a gunship, another nearly identical model competed against the Cobra, but lost in the later 60's

Another testbed SeaSprite.

These aircraft were returned to the manufacter after testing. Please note they did not serve in Vietnam

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Posted by rotorwash on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:04 PM

Grandad,

  Nice pics!  I thought I might add a few others of armed AH-2's

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 Here's 9786 before it's Army paint job:

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All of the above are courtesy of the Army Aviation Museum archives.

  Ray
 

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Posted by Cobrahistorian on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:15 PM

Man!  I get in the car for a couple hours and you guys steal my thunder!  I was gonna start off with pics of the AH-2!

Oh well.  After dinner I'll throw up some coooooool AH-1 pics.  Tongue [:P]

 

Jon 

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Posted by rotorwash on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:23 PM

Jon,

  I gave you a nice opening to post those UH-2 pics, but you disappeared and Grandad put his up so I HAD to put mine up too!  Sorry about that, but it sounded as if you had Cobras on your brain , not Seasprites!

    Ray

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Posted by Cobrahistorian on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:59 PM

No worries Ray!

That was said very tongue-in-cheek!

Anyhow, here are a couple pics, as promised.  The first one is N209J, the prototype Cobra, although not as you're used to seeing her.  This configuration was done in the early 70s to test out the TOW missile system on the Cobra.  From what I know, it didn't have any live missile systems on it, just mockups of the pods, sensors and gun.

The next two are my favorites, and as Chief Snake can attest, I'm a bit hooked on these two. The first is the CONFICS (CObra Night Fighter Imaging Combat System) AH-1G, which took the Huey INFANT system and modded it for the Snake.  The second is the SMASH (Southeast-asia Multisensor Armament System Helicopter) Cobra that took night fighting to the next level. 

 

 

Jon 

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Posted by grandadjohn on Wednesday, July 25, 2007 11:39 AM
Jon, interesting photo's and I didn't mean to steal your thunder, I envey you and Ray for havibg the time to go through those archives at the Museum. Hope someday to get back there myself. When I was there in 68, it wasn't much of a museum then, just a small chain-linked fensed enclosure with a few aircraft in it. Our instructors always told us to go down there and see the old CH-21 since it was the only place we would see them. Went to Korea and quess what, they still had a whole company of them there
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