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Textured paints?
Posted by Jonathon on Friday, October 28, 2016 5:10 PM

Hi, 

So I pop into Halfords for a can of primer and see "Textured Paint - sand", after spending ages on a recent North African diorama and currently building an extension to it, and spending ages building up sand and pva this sounds like a brilliant idea. But is it?

Does anyone have any experience using this stuff or is it as plausible as tartan paint? I haven't even had a play with it yet (it's late) but I'll be experimenting tomorrow.

If anyone has any dos or don'ts or any other advice - it'd be most appreciated.

Jon.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Friday, October 28, 2016 5:38 PM

Never hear of the stuff, but sounds intresting. I would try it on some cardboard or something. Maybe it would make a good base coat and then apply sand over it.

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Posted by jgeratic on Friday, October 28, 2016 6:14 PM

There are a number of hobby paint brands that carry this type of product, among them Tamiya.  I haven't tried any, but they look to have their uses.

It would depend on what is used to build up the ground base, and what you are aiming for in the final visual.  Celluclay has a nice natural texture to it, so using a sand or soil texture might be redundant (nor cost effective), though the grass texture would be interesting.

Then there are some sculpting clays that dry quite smooth devoid of any detail - I think here this type would really benefit from these texture paints.

regards,

Jack

 

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Posted by Bish on Friday, October 28, 2016 6:32 PM

I can only guess that this stuff has grains in it to give it texture so would be limited in creating a sandy base. I use celluclay mixed with fine sand rather than trying to coat the whole base in sand.

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Posted by mitsdude on Saturday, October 29, 2016 2:06 AM

I've used it for desert dioramas. Might want to check the grain size. It doesn't go very far and is prone to clogging due to the think grainy texture. Its kind of a one use application. If you use it and then try again weeks or months later it may have become clogged. Even using the turning the can upside down and spraying to clear the nozzle trick may not work. It does give a nice sandy texture. You can of course spray any color over the top of it.

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Posted by Jonathon on Saturday, October 29, 2016 11:47 AM

Hi, thanks for the replies. 

I'd had a play and basically it's OK. Your comments were all spot on. It's just paint with sand in it. It definitely won't go very far but I think it might be good for an already textured terrain to add some fine scale variation.

I've taken some photos after one or two coats on some different surfaces and posted them on my blog if you want to take a look.

Cheers.

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Posted by Griffin25 on Sunday, October 30, 2016 1:57 PM

I am working on a N African vignette. I saw this Vallejo desert effect paste. It's not a paint really but I think it works well. It didn't dry rock hard it is a little rubbery. The only thing that I have to say about it is that the container is about 2/3 full at least the one I purchased. I actually saw it on YouTube check it out. 

 

 

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Posted by Griffin25 on Sunday, October 30, 2016 2:28 PM

This is before I applied the stuff. 

 

 

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Posted by gjw on Sunday, October 30, 2016 5:34 PM

Now I may sound crazy here but the best alternative if what you working on is a desert landscape be to simply avoid the textured paint. It really never fully hardens and peels off fairly easily. A good substitute is actually pet bird/Canary gravel for a desert scene. It is a very fine grain and works for scenes 1/72nd to 1/16th scale. This brand is probably the best.

https://www.amazon.com/Hartz-Gravel-Grit-Box-30/dp/B000QFQ7GU

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Posted by Jonathon on Sunday, October 30, 2016 6:02 PM

That vignette is looking good Griffin25, that palm is ace, how'd you do that? I've kept away from palm trees because my attempts were laughable and the bought ones look like cake decorations.

I like the sand texture, I've looked at that vallejo stuff but I was covering such a big area it would cost too much. I wonder how hard it would be to recreate the same sort of thing, it must just be sand and a binder?

Canary sand is a new one for me gjw (mind you many things are since I came back to the hobby). I've seen cat litter for rubble. I may look for a different brand though on amazon.co.uk it's £47!

Cheers.

Tags: desert , diorama , texture
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Posted by Griffin25 on Sunday, October 30, 2016 7:27 PM

 I'm a bit ashamed to admit that Palm Tree cost $40!! LOL. Reallity in scale is the brand. I repainted the trunk at least. Their stuff in top notch. It's no different than buying a $40 AM set for a tank I would say. 

I checked out your blog and your right about the amount you would need. The Vallejo stuff wouldn't be cost effective and I do not think the grain size would work with anything less than 1/35 scale.  Is that diorama 1/72? It's looking pretty cool! Is it a war game base?

 

 

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Posted by HeavyArty on Monday, October 31, 2016 7:47 AM

The textured paints are good for adding anti-slip texture to modern armor though.  Check this out:  http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=50656&page=1

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Posted by Jonathon on Monday, October 31, 2016 3:57 PM

$40 well spent I say, definitely not a tree decoration. Also, when you buy something good I think you get the extra value of being able to see how it's made, even take it apart, so in future you could make your own.

I'm glad you like the diorama, thanks, it will end up as a war game base, to begin with I was torn between having everything fixed down (diorama) and having everything as moveable pieces (war game base), in the end it's sort of half way - a wargamarama ... in any case once my kids get hold of it all and I'll spend the next year repairing it.

I'm building an extension to it at the moment, so it'll be twice as big. I'll also be having a play with various binders to try and recreate that vallejo stuff - sand's almost free and pva is cheap - how hard can it be..?

Cheers.

 

Tags: desert , diorama
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Posted by Jonathon on Saturday, November 5, 2016 8:44 PM

Hello again.

I couldn't let the sand texture stuff lie so I ordered some of the vallejo texture and it arrived yesterday.

I've had an experiment to see if I could recreate the same stuff - but without spending £8 for a small jar. Don't get me wrong - Griffin's vignette shows how good this stuff can be, but if you want to build big it's just not cost effective.

So, to cut a long story short, a mix of plaster of paris, water, sand and pva works really well and dries in a fraction of the time. I reckon I could make a tonne of this stuff for £8 but you'd have to use it straight away.

I made a video of my experiment and stuck it on my blog if you've got 7 minutes of your life you'd like to sacrifice ... or you could just skip to the end to see what it looks like.

Cheers everyone.

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Posted by Jonathon on Sunday, November 6, 2016 11:26 AM

Here's a photo of the overal results of different mixes of sand and pva (plus plaster of paris and water). The one in the top right is the vallejo stuff. I've also posted more photos on the blog including close ups of the textures.

Cheers.

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Posted by Griffin25 on Sunday, November 6, 2016 4:31 PM

For 1/72 scale I like the way the 15g sand effect looks. IMO. The first picture. Thanks for posting. This is good information.

 

 

Griffin

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Posted by Jonathon on Sunday, November 6, 2016 5:44 PM

Thanks Griffin, hows about an update on your vignette?

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Posted by Griffin25 on Monday, November 7, 2016 8:44 AM

I'm still working on the vulture for it. Check out the figures section. I'm not making a whole lot of progress.lol. I need to get motivated again!

 

 

Griffin

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