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The Battle of Vị Xuyen
Posted by Harrytheheid on Tuesday, November 15, 2016 3:08 AM
Guys, 
There's actually very little in the way of scale modelling in this diorama, but the project is what propelled me back into this hobby just a few weeks ago, so please bear with me.
 
The figures are 1/30 scale from First Legion
 
The tank began life as a child's toy - more on this later
 
Diorama base is a kitchen chopping board - I use these for almost all my dioramas cos they're cheap and a coat or two of varnish prevents them from warping
 
Groundwork is celluclay shovelled straight onto the varnished chopping board and the foliage is an assortment of static grass from Scenic Express, palm trees from Reality in Scale, plus various other bits & pieces I had lying around
 
The T72 is an RC model from VSTanks in Hong Kong and used to look like this; 
 
 
I reckoned the basic model had some promise, threw the commander figure away and got it onto my workbench; 
 
 
So, with it now looking a lot better, (to my eye at least)....
 
 
....I began looking around for some way of incorporating it into a diorama. So here's the background;
 
Following the Sino-Vietnamese War of the late 1970’s, the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) withdrew from Vietnam in March 1979. However, PLA troops continued to occupy an area of 60 square kilometres, which was disputed territory controlled by Vietnam before hostilities broke out.
 
The perceived threat of another invasion by their northern neighbor impelled Hanoi to build up an enormous defending force. During the 1980s, around 600,000 – 800,000 Vietnamese regulars from the People’s Army of Vietnam (PAVN) were estimated to have been present in frontier areas, confronted by some 200,000 – 400,000 Chinese troops.
 
The inevitable result of this military build-up was a series of sharp conflicts between the two sides, and frontier clashes between the PAVN and PLA continued until 1988, peaking in the years 1984–1985.
 
This diorama depicts one such ferocious border clash at Vị Xuyên District in 1984, (or Laoshan Province as it was known by the Chinese), as elements of the PAVN with Armored Support move up to their start line for yet another attack on the PLA.
 
 
 
 
 
 
Of course, the tank is oversized for the scale of the figures used, but if I were to change it for a 1/35 scale example, then that would be too small. 
It's a common problem with these kind of figures. However, getting back into scale modelling with both AFV's and figures at a constant 1/35 scale will hopefully get me what I really want on display in our living room.
 
The eagle-eyed will have spotted that I didn't paint the tracks on the T72. That's because if I put batteries back into the hull and the RC controller -- then I can still use the tank to terrorize the local neighborhood kids....
Devil
(Untrue -- they'd just stomp all over it).

And I've no idea what's caused the formatting in this post to go nuts, but it's got to be something associated with me pasting in links to my Photobucket account. Hmm, need to think some more on this one....Hmm

Cheers

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, November 16, 2016 8:18 PM

Pretty darn cool!

If I may ask what brand are the PAVN figures? I assume they're 1/32nd? I was looking on Ebay a couple months ago for some PLA tank crew figures and found there seems to be a lot of stuff like that that isn't normally exported to the States.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Harrytheheid on Wednesday, November 16, 2016 8:55 PM

Gamera

Pretty darn cool!

If I may ask what brand are the PAVN figures? I assume they're 1/32nd? I was looking on Ebay a couple months ago for some PLA tank crew figures and found there seems to be a lot of stuff like that that isn't normally exported to the States.

 

Glad you like it.

The figures are in 1/30 scale and are from First Legion, who sculpt the master greens in Russia and have the production figures painted in China. They're US based, so you can source them no problem -- but they're very expensive. Those 7 x NVA examples cost me a total US$455 + Shipping. The good news is they have some 1/35 unpainted resin figures available. Here's a link to the webpage for the NVA guys;

http://www.firstlegionltd.com/northvietnamesearmy.aspx

I've another finished "Nam" diorama featuring more First Legion Nam figures, which I'll post once I've figured out the best way to paste in links to my Photobucket account.

I also have two other Nam dioramas with FL figures in progress., but it's been in limbo for the past few weeks because I've been waiting for a Reality in Scale order to come in before I can get on with them. Happily, I just got back from the local post office international packages depot with the RiS items -- so it won't take long now to get these additional dioramas completed.

Not sure what PLA figures you've been looking at on ebay, (and ebay isn't much of an option for me anyway), but if you happen to see them on any Chinese internet sites, then just let me know and I'll see if the son-in-law will help me source them for you.

Cheers 

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, November 16, 2016 9:33 PM

Hey thanks! I wasn't aware of First Legion, bit out of my price range. Looking forward to more photos of your work.

Thanks for your kind offer. I found a set of Soviet tankers with very similar uniforms and just swapped their heads with some replacement 'east asian' heads from Hornet so I just used them instead.

Here's the set I was looking at.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Resin-soldier-1-35-resin-figure-chinese-soldier-in-vietnam-war-2-figures-/172312078686?hash=item281e99a95e

There's a couple of other sets I found that looked interesting but I haven't decided on picking them up yet. If I do I'll let you know- thanks again!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/YFWW-1418-1-35-PLA-Tank-Rider-on-the-Vietnam-War-Resin-Figure-Set-/351793931110?hash=item51e88d6366

 

Anyway for what it's worth here's what I ended up using the PLA figures with:

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/3/t/172448.aspx

 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Harrytheheid on Wednesday, November 16, 2016 9:44 PM

Gamera

Hey thanks! I wasn't aware of First Legion, bit out of my price range. Looking forward to more photos of your work.

Thanks for your kind offer. I found a set of Soviet tankers with very similar uniforms and just swapped their heads with some replacement 'east asian' heads from Hornet so I just used them instead.

Here's the set I was looking at.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Resin-soldier-1-35-resin-figure-chinese-soldier-in-vietnam-war-2-figures-/172312078686?hash=item281e99a95e

There's a couple of other sets I found that looked interesting but I haven't decided on picking them up yet. If I do I'll let you know- thanks again!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/YFWW-1418-1-35-PLA-Tank-Rider-on-the-Vietnam-War-Resin-Figure-Set-/351793931110?hash=item51e88d6366

 

Anyway for what it's worth here's what I ended up using the PLA figures with:

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/3/t/172448.aspx

 

 

I love those tank riders in the 2nd link; is that a T55 they're hitching a ride from?

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, November 16, 2016 10:10 PM

I'd guess the Chinese version of the T-55- the Type 59. I've read the tanks were from the outside identical except for the rear hull plate where the Chinese company used a slightly different transmission. Trumpeter has a pretty good Type-59 except the tracks are horrible and probably should be replaced. Takom is coming out with a new kit that should be much better.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, November 17, 2016 12:20 PM

The Type 59 is a Chinese built T-54, biggest visual difference from the T-55 being that there is a  dome shaped ventilator on the turret roof. This is not present on the T-55, but is present on the Type 69. The Type 69 also has a new headlight configuration with the headlights moved from the glacis plate to the fender tops.

Very nice work on this diorama! I had no idea that the border clashes between Vietnam and China continued thru the 80s. That was not something you heard about here in the press at that time.

Question, are these figures pre built and pre painted? Solid cast? Assembly and painting required?

 

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Posted by Harrytheheid on Thursday, November 17, 2016 8:12 PM

stikpusher

The Type 59 is a Chinese built T-54, biggest visual difference from the T-55 being that there is a  dome shaped ventilator on the turret roof. This is not present on the T-55, but is present on the Type 69. The Type 69 also has a new headlight configuration with the headlights moved from the glacis plate to the fender tops.

Very nice work on this diorama! I had no idea that the border clashes between Vietnam and China continued thru the 80s. That was not something you heard about here in the press at that time.

Question, are these figures pre built and pre painted? Solid cast? Assembly and painting required?

 

Thanks for the additional info and data on the T-series tanks. Pretty interesting.

As for the First Legion figures in the diorama, please see my earlier post in this thread. Or my posts in response to Griffen25 on the Tet diorama thread.

Cheers

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