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  • Member since
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  • From: N. Idaho
Displaying flying airplanes
Posted by d_sinsley on Saturday, March 03, 2018 12:43 PM

Okay,

So I want to build a 1:48 scale diorama of a P47 Thunderbolt that is taking out a German tank. I am just getting back into model building and taking it up a notch by displaying my models in dioramas. I am wonder what is the best way to display a plane in flight in a diorama. I am thinking a super fine fishing line from an over head scafolding. But I am wondering what others are doing in a small diorama to get their birds airborne and not look like they are being suspended.

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  • From: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Posted by goldhammer on Monday, March 05, 2018 12:28 PM

Sounds like a low level strafing or rocket run on the tank.....maybe a thin (1/4") clear acrylic rod, using a tree to camoflage most of it?

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Posted by d_sinsley on Monday, March 05, 2018 1:28 PM

That's an interesting idea. This will be a rocket pass, Eduard makes a detail rocket launcher that is just like what is used in a picture I have. 

I was thinking more of an urban scene but still could easily hide a small acrylic rod.

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Posted by HeavyArty on Monday, March 05, 2018 1:51 PM

A hidden rod or clear rod is a much better idea than suspending the aircraft from above.  Here is a 1/35 Huey that I suspended by a brass rod disguised as a tree.

In-process showing the rod.

After completeing with the support rod hidden in the tree.

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  • From: N. Idaho
Posted by d_sinsley on Monday, March 05, 2018 1:57 PM

Yeah I am liking that idea much better. I was thinking no matter how small the line you really can't hide it. But with angles, shadows, and out right camouflage from below rod could be hidden. 

 

You guys have the creative juices flowing. Even if not from underneath from behind I am starting to get some ideas. 

 

Thanks

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  • From: Meridian, ID
Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, March 05, 2018 2:05 PM

The best results would be to use forced perspective method. In other words, one of the subjects is smaller in scale to the other. If you have a 1/48 T Bolt than use a 1/72 tank or visa versa. If using rockets, you might want to think about hiding a wire in the rocket exhaust trail, otherwise I would go with the clear rod method.

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  • From: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Posted by goldhammer on Monday, March 05, 2018 2:06 PM

Urban scene, maybe a chimmney or smoke stack, or building corner to hide it in.

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Posted by d_sinsley on Monday, March 05, 2018 2:58 PM

I knew I came to the right place. I got a set of the fine scale modeler annuals from a deceased friends widow. I didn't know about this magazine or group prior. But after looking through them I figured someone here would know. These are all awesome ideas.

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, March 05, 2018 6:02 PM

Sometimes you need to compromise a little. I've seen them done well with a clear rod, where it comes out of the back of the diorama and has a nice looking quarter turn forward to attach to the back side of the airplane. Then you create something pretty dramatic at the other end of the diorama to draw the eye away, like the tank exploding.

Shooter/ target dioramas are difficult, because of the ranges involved. Even with selective compression, this 9th AF P-47 is firing the HVAR at probably 1000 yards or so, as it'll travel 1300 ft per second and has an activation distance. Divide that by 72 and it's still a distance that creates too much open space.

You might consider the aircraft actually flying over the tank while it blows up. Maybe you could hide your rod in the explosion.

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Posted by d_sinsley on Monday, March 05, 2018 6:10 PM

GMorrison

 

You might consider the aircraft actually flying over the tank while it blows up. Maybe you could hide your rod in the explosion.

 

 

I was already leaning this way. Especially since the diorama will likely be less than 24" long. I really had not envisioned this as a scene where the rockets are being fired. In my mind it has always been a moment of impact scene. So for the necesary compression for my display space a scene as you describe is more approperiate.

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  • From: N. Idaho
Posted by d_sinsley on Monday, March 05, 2018 6:15 PM

This begs for a follow up question then that I have yet to consider. How do you model an explosion. I am not new to modeling, I am not new to dioramas (isn't that what railroading is) but live action scenes are totally a new concept. All prior aircraft and model cars I have done were static single object displays. The object only. Modeling a live action scene diorama is just the challenge I need. Event he one I am doing now of the Corsair is static.

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  • From: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Posted by goldhammer on Monday, March 05, 2018 6:32 PM

Most will use cotton balls, and/or polyester fiber (available at craft/fabric stores) for smoke and fire effects.  And they paint to suit the scene.   Just saw a fire retardant drop dio last w/e, looked great with cotton balls worked to shape and the support rod was in the cotton and totally hidden.  Plus the support rod did double duty, as is also supported the "retardant"

 

There was a spread of a bomber going down in flames awhile back (within the last year, IIRC) in FSM, showed his technique for doing it.  Was also the cover for that issue.

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  • From: N. Idaho
Posted by d_sinsley on Monday, March 05, 2018 10:41 PM

Thanks for input. Thinking on it some more 1:48 is to ambitious for my space. 1:72 will make for a far more interesting scene. 

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