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I got a Mitchell and am prepared to use it
Posted by VanceCrozier on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 3:12 PM

My birthday was last weekend, and my relatives with the chronic P38 gift walk in. I shuddered & smiled all at the same time, reached for the box and... thought wow - this one's heavier! It's a Revell B25J, the gun-nose bird. Not something I'd usually buy, but it is on my "I screwed one up really bad when I was a kid and really should build one right to appease the styrene gods" list.

So, has anyone built one recently? Any big issues? Clear parts, decals etc?? The interior actually has a fair amount of detail, kinda looking forward to this one after I clear up some other projects.

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by Borg R3-MC0 on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 3:26 PM

You have relatives with a chronic P-38 gift? WOW, mine are just telling me to grow up...

As to the Mitchell, I can not help you, but Hans is bound to give is opinion, it being an Revell/Monogram kit and all.

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 3:31 PM

I remember rivets...........

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 3:41 PM

I wish you were prepared to use your HO...

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 3:42 PM

A B-25 Mitchell might make a good launch platform for a rocket propelled HO.......

 

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Posted by carsanab on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 3:51 PM

I can tell you that there's not enough rust on it....

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Posted by BaBill212 on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 3:56 PM

I built the same kit about 15 years ago.....   with my feeble mind, I don't recall any serious issues.

Jump in, give it a go, and post some pics,,,,,  am sure you'll do a great job on it

 

 

All the best

Bill

Enjoy the ride!

 

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Posted by Cadet Chuck on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 4:01 PM

Don't know about the Revell, but a few years ago I built the Jimmy Doolittle B-25 from Accurate Miniatures.  Nice kit but way over the top in details.  Had a complete interior which even included a chemical toilet and a magazine rack with a 1/48 scale copy of a Life magazine from 1941 to put next to the can!  Nice touch.  The problem was that if you went to the trouble of doing the interior, it would never be seen again after you closed the fuselage.

Computer, did we bring batteries?.....Computer?

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Posted by CallSignOWL on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 5:22 PM

Its a nice kit. I built one earlier this summer. IT will take some work on the main fuselage seam to get ti to go away, and there were large gaps around the engine nacelles, and gear doors (I built mine gear up, if you go gear down it shouldn't be a problem). Its a shame all that nice detail wont be seen again...

also, it looks like yours is a more recent release. Mine was second-hand and over a decade old, so the decals shattered on me and I had to source some new ones.

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 8:44 PM

It's just a re-pop of the 1970's B-25H, and it's a great kit... Especially for the 18.00 bucks it costs.. I've built it (along with the bomber-nose and the H-model) at least six times, if not a couple more...  Got one more H-model on the bench right now, plus two more in the stash... Love that kit, lol..

It's not a Shake & Bake kit, no... It does have some fit-issues around the nacelles (Adding a styrene spreader at the top of the halves goes a long way in closing the gap under the wings) and the cowl where the carb intakes are... It's easily fixable with some sprue and liquid cement, and/or a little putty...

The small gear doors are molded separately, the large ones are molded closed (Which is correct for the Mitchell when the gear is down), the bomb-bay doors will need some TLC if you close them, but they're pretty tight overall...

If you don't want a tail-sitter, add planty of weight, since it's really tail-heavy.. You can weight hell outta the gun-nose (provided you want the doors closed), in the tunnel under the flight-deck, and in the nacelles... Or you can use the stairs/rear-entry hatch combo...

The flight-deck is beautiful, but a few greeblies will do it good, such as seat-belts and some stretched-sprue levers on the throttle quadrant, and you'll need to scratch-build a gun-sight, there isn't one in the kit. The panel's a beaut, with nice, crisp relief detail that will pop out well after you paint it.

A little work is needed in the top turret where the guns mount, but overall, the turret's really well done, as are the tail and waist positions....  The waist guns would benefit from some ring and bead sights and some cable-tie ammo chutes...

If you wanted to add a radar pod to the right wing-tip (and get away from an NMF or OD/NG finish), it builds into a really nice USMC PBJ-1J too... If you feel up to it, the glass-nose version is out there too... Same kit, different nose and decals...

http://www.midwaysailor.com/photos/mitchell-eltoro.html

There are no rivets...

 Oh, yeah... THere's an EXCELLENT article about building a Canadian TB-25J from this kit in the current issue of FSM...

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 8:53 PM

If you want to do a glass-nose version, contact me back-channel.. I've got a spare set of canopies...

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 9:21 PM

Hans von Hammer

It's not a Shake & Bake kit, no... It does have some fit-issues around the nacelles (Adding a styrene spreader at the top of the halves goes a long way in closing the gap under the wings) and the cowl where the carb intakes are... It's easily fixable with some sprue and liquid cement, and/or a little putty...

The small gear doors are molded separately, the large ones are molded closed (Which is correct for the Mitchell when the gear is down), the bomb-bay doors will need some TLC if you close them, but they're pretty tight overall...

If you don't want a tail-sitter, add planty of weight, since it's really tail-heavy.. You can weight hell outta the gun-nose (provided you want the doors closed), in the tunnel under the flight-deck, and in the nacelles... Or you can use the stairs/rear-entry hatch combo...

The flight-deck...a few greeblies will do it good, such as seat-belts and some stretched-sprue levers on the throttle quadrant, and you'll need to scratch-build a gun-sight, there isn't one in the kit.

A little work is needed in the top turret where the guns mount, but overall, the turret's really well done, as are the tail and waist positions....  The waist guns would benefit from some ring and bead sights and some cable-tie ammo chutes...

If you wanted to add a radar pod to the right wing-tip (and get away from an NMF or OD/NG finish), it builds into a really nice USMC PBJ-1J too... If you feel up to it, the glass-nose version is out there too... Same kit, different nose and decals...

There are no rivets...

Hmmmmmmm...maybe the paper and plastic chapstik tube HO doesn't seem so difficult after all?

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 9:31 PM

Vance:

The kit you have is actually a Monogram kit per this review:

http://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/kits/rm/kit_rm_5528.shtml

"Besides this set of Monogram tooling, the only other options for 1/48 scale B-25s are the Revell 1/48 B-25B/C kit that features a star-studded array of rivets all over the airframe,"

I had the old Revell rivet special B-25.

Can't tell you if building the Monogram kit is easier than finishing a Chapstick HO.....Whistling

 

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Posted by DoogsATX on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 9:46 PM

Got the kit in the stash, awaiting more room in the new house before tackling it.

I say build it as a PBJ-1J. The Mitch looks stunning in tri-color:

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 9:49 PM

DoogsATX

Got the kit in the stash, awaiting more room in the new house before tackling it.

I say build it as a PBJ-1J. The Mitch looks stunning in tri-color:

http://www.vmb413.com/images/nickerson10.jpg

Definitely !!

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Posted by redraider56 on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 10:03 PM

Just bought this one today....think its B-25 #7 in the stash lol.  Should make a pretty good dio bird, I plan on opening up the nose and an engine for a Pacific scene

-Matt

On The Bench: 1/48 Monogram B-17G "Man-O-War II"

 

 

 

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Posted by p38jl on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 10:22 PM

Manstein's revenge

 Hans von Hammer:

It's not a Shake & Bake kit, no... It does have some fit-issues around the nacelles (Adding a styrene spreader at the top of the halves goes a long way in closing the gap under the wings) and the cowl where the carb intakes are... It's easily fixable with some sprue and liquid cement, and/or a little putty...

The small gear doors are molded separately, the large ones are molded closed (Which is correct for the Mitchell when the gear is down), the bomb-bay doors will need some TLC if you close them, but they're pretty tight overall...

If you don't want a tail-sitter, add planty of weight, since it's really tail-heavy.. You can weight hell outta the gun-nose (provided you want the doors closed), in the tunnel under the flight-deck, and in the nacelles... Or you can use the stairs/rear-entry hatch combo...

The flight-deck...a few greeblies will do it good, such as seat-belts and some stretched-sprue levers on the throttle quadrant, and you'll need to scratch-build a gun-sight, there isn't one in the kit.

A little work is needed in the top turret where the guns mount, but overall, the turret's really well done, as are the tail and waist positions....  The waist guns would benefit from some ring and bead sights and some cable-tie ammo chutes...

If you wanted to add a radar pod to the right wing-tip (and get away from an NMF or OD/NG finish), it builds into a really nice USMC PBJ-1J too... If you feel up to it, the glass-nose version is out there too... Same kit, different nose and decals...

There are no rivets...

Hmmmmmmm...maybe the paper and plastic chapstik tube HO doesn't seem so difficult after all?

Yes

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 10:39 PM

DoogsATX

Got the kit in the stash, awaiting more room in the new house before tackling it.

I say build it as a PBJ-1J. The Mitch looks stunning in tri-color:

http://www.vmb413.com/images/nickerson10.jpg

The H-model builds into a nice PBJ-1H too..

(Not mine pictured here, but my H will be up soon...)

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 10:44 PM

Here's the J glass-nose version :

http://cgi.ebay.com/Revell-B-25J-Mitchell-1-48-Scale-Model-Kit-85-5512-NIB-/310336781310?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4841837bfe

And the original 1977 H-model:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Monogram-1-48-B-25H-Mitchell-medium-bomber-gunship-/320739862478?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4aad95e7ce

I'll go you one better than a PBJ-1 with tri-color, and that's a PBJ-1 with tri-color AND the red-bordered US Star & Bar from the summer of '43..

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Posted by TomZ2 on Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 AM

One story: When Paul “Pappy” Gunn was ordered to to pull the bombardier and everything else out of the nose of a B-25 and fill it full of fifty-caliber guns, with 500 rounds of ammunition per gun, Major General George Kenny asked, “Where is the center of gravity?” (one of the most basic aeronautical questions). Major (soon Colonel) Gunn said, “Oh, the C.G. Hell, we threw that away to lighten up the ship.” [source: General Kenney reports: a personal history of the Pacific War] Other people have claimed differing sources, i.e., “Pappy” Boyington and his 75mm carrying prototype for the B-25H. I fear this tale is often mis-attributed, but at least this version has some provenance.

A snap of a B-25H:

Occasional factual, grammatical, or spelling variations are inherent to this thesis and should not be considered as defects, as they enhance the individuality and character of this document.

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Wednesday, August 10, 2011 7:21 AM

Borg - yep, I'm sorta lucky that way, or maybe they've just given up at trying to grow me up! I'm pretty sure they'd also rather see me building models than hanging around a bar all night! Toast

Goose - No crazy rivets that I've seen, it all looks good to me. I prefer engraved lines for weathering, but have no gripes with well-done raised lines either. It's all good.

Manny - Ho is on the Ho rizon, I'm just doing some advanced recon for this one while it's fresh in the mind. Paper & plastic is still more of a brain-drain than this will be (I think) as I'm making it up on the go - and don't want to screw it up without someone else to blame! Embarrassed

carsanab - no rust, not yet anyway!

Cadet Chuck - sounds like a crazy amount of detail in the AM kit - that gets hidden. Bang Head This actually has some good interior details too, making me wonder about how to open some of it up…. Hmm

Owl - As I don't have any of these B25s in my stash I'll likely use the decals that are in the box, so I'm hoping the new release = good luck with decals. (Although I still have the decals for the blue-nosed version I butchered way back when...)

Hans! I knew you'd have a few of these under your belt. Thanks for the heads-up on the nacelle fit. Gear will likely be down so there shouldn't be issues there. All kinds of room for weight - looks like nicely done guns up front though - is any of that visible at all from behind? How to show it off?? I'm not too worried about the OD paint and I'm leaning towards that rather than the NMF, maybe try some of that crazy multiple layers of paint weathering. I build so much Luftwaffe stuff that the OD would actually stand out anyway. Big Smile

DoogsATX, Hans, Goose - I was leaning toward the kit supplied decals, but now I'm looking at the PB version. Hmmmm, I don't have much in the 3-tone blue either! Did these all have the radar gear??

TomZ2 - threw out the CoG?! I love it!

Thanks for all the replies gang, I appreciate getting a little info for the kits I'm not familiar with.

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, August 10, 2011 7:53 AM

Very nice Vance! Wish I had some relatives that would give me models, I get clothes every year Sad

If I may throw my two cents in l picked up these excellent CHEESECAKE NOSE ART decals for my B-25 earlier this year....

http://www.bombshelldecals.com/decals/b25/48bs-002.shtml

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by dmk on Wednesday, August 10, 2011 8:07 AM

DoogsATX

I say build it as a PBJ-1J. The Mitch looks stunning in tri-color:

 Very cool pics Doogs and Hans. Cool

 

 Has anyone ever done a PBJ group build here?

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Wednesday, August 10, 2011 8:08 AM

Now those are some decals that won't show up inside a revell box! This one will probably crowd the display cabinet too much & will likely end up in the office so I need to keep it PG... or turn the nose-art away from my office door! Wink

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, August 10, 2011 9:17 AM

Gee, sorry Vance, didn't know you needed it to be work safe Embarrassed

They are really top notch decals though, haven't used any of them yet but the print quality is fantastic.

 

And you know, the more I look at that PBJ the more I like it. I'm tempted to pick up a second kit to build up as the Navy version now. The last thing I need is to buy another kit.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Wednesday, August 10, 2011 10:05 AM

Gamera

Gee, sorry Vance, didn't know you needed it to be work safe Embarrassed

They are really top notch decals though, haven't used any of them yet but the print quality is fantastic.

 

And you know, the more I look at that PBJ the more I like it. I'm tempted to pick up a second kit to build up as the Navy version now. The last thing I need is to buy another kit.

oh no problem, they're not XXX-rated by any means anyway and I could probably get away with them in this office anyway. And like I said, it could be turned around if anyone had an issue with it anyway. Funny, when I went to the website I realized they had some P38 decals too, as I found out, not always an easy thing to track down!

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Wednesday, August 10, 2011 10:38 AM

There's always the Psychedelic Monster.............

used while filming the "Battle of Britain" movie

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:07 AM

Now that's a different scheme!! Must have been using her as a formation & camera ship?

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:11 AM

VanceCrozier

Now that's a different scheme!! Must have been using her as a formation & camera ship?

Yep !

Monogram B-25 as a basis for the Psychedelic Monster.

http://hsfeatures.com/features04/b25jtm_1.htm

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:24 AM

Sprue-ce Goose

There's always the Psychedelic Monster.............

http://www.daveswarbirds.com/bob/pics/behind/color_closeup_B-25_and_HE-111.jpg

used while filming the "Battle of Britain" movie

It also appeared in "War Paint" for the filming of "Catch 22".. It was used both as a camera-ship and as a bomber... I got some pics of around here with that 360-degree camera-turret extended from the belly...

 

Hans! I knew you'd have a few of these under your belt. Thanks for the heads-up on the nacelle fit. Gear will likely be down so there shouldn't be issues there. All kinds of room for weight - looks like nicely done guns up front though - is any of that visible at all from behind? How to show it off??

There's space between the panel and nose bulkhead for weight, as well as in the tunnel, and behind the flight-deck.. Although THAT may be visible if you're not careful..  Once you get the flight-deck built, you'll see where weight can go.  Don't forget the engine cowls and nacelles can be weighted, too... Itll take quite a bit, so go lead instead of steel... I screwed up when I did my first on, didn't add the tail assy before I closed her up and she stayed a tail-sitter... Even with a nose crammed fulla weights!

The gun-doors are a "gull-wing" design, hinged on top.... (Note door interior detail)

 

DoogsATX, Hans, Goose - I was leaning toward the kit supplied decals, but now I'm looking at the PB version... Did these all have the radar gear??

Yes...  But it was often moved from the wing-tip to the nose (Hose-nose) once in the field.. The radar-pod can be scratched from about a dozen different drop tanks, bombs, or radars from F6F or F4U kits...

This is a D-model, but they did it on the Js too..

 

If you're so inclined, email me or PM me and I got GOBS of B-25 detail shots to send ya... (Like a rocket-armed B-25J!!! Talk about firepower!)

ANd interior shots

 

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