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  • From: Gothenburg
Question: MiG-25RBT Foxbat, 1/48 ICM
Posted by JohanT on Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:08 AM

Hello,
I have recently ordered this kit from my LHS and am now doing some research on the subject.
Allthough many people are very possitive there seems to be an ongoing discussion about the shape of the noce kone.
Has anyone advice to give on this?

Also the cockpit color according to the instruction is given as Tamiya XF-71.
This is a green color.
Looking at varioues reference pictures the color is more like this:


My recent SU-27 (Academy / Eduard) had the cockpit down as grey.

So any advice would be much appreciated.

Best Regards
Johan

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  • From: East Gippsland, Victoria, Australia
Posted by damouav on Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:16 AM

I'm no expert on modern fighters, let alone Russian fighters.

But, MRP have the colour your after, Cockpit Turquiose (http://mrpaint.sk/farby/lietadla/USSR?product_id=51).

And I'm sure that others will have suitable alternatives.

 

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Posted by F-8fanatic on Tuesday, September 12, 2017 11:18 AM

As with many aircraft, I would say that there's probably going to be some variance.  For example, here's a MiG-21 cockpit, looks more green than gray to me:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cockpit_of_MiG-21_preserved_%C5%81%C3%B3dz-Lublinek_(3117340809).jpg

 

But also, there's this example, a MiG-25P, that looks more blue than green to me:  

http://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php?topic=37401.0

 

Scroll down on this one, and you'll see that bluish color again, this is front and back cockpits on a MiG-31:

http://www.ausairpower.net/TE-Foxbat-Foxhound-92.html

Here's a -25 cockpit, with the gray color you indicated above:

https://theweekendmodeller.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/mig-25-ru-4-inside.jpg

If I had to guess, I would say that variances could be from different batches of paint, or whether the a/c had gone through any modernizing programs where they may have changed things in the cockpit, etc etc.  maintenance could also be a factor, if there were a need to repaint the cockpit, I suppose.  Keep in mind that old Soviet aircraft were not always maintained very well, and so I would guess that some things would not have mattered so much, such as what color the cockpit might be repainted.  You might find that any of those colors would be appropriate.  Soviet jets are not generally the same as American ones, in that we seem to have kept far more detailed records here in the US about which specific aircraft went through what maintenance or upgrade programs than the USSR did.  If you were looking to build an F-14, for example, you could look up the bureau number for the specific jet you are modeling and determine exactly what was done to it.  

 

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  • From: Gothenburg
Posted by JohanT on Wednesday, September 13, 2017 5:10 AM

Hello damouav,
Thank you for your reply.
The MRP brand is new to me, but that looks very interesting.

SK is slovakia so import to Sweden should be without problems :)

Thank you!

Best Regards
Johan

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  • From: Gothenburg
Posted by JohanT on Wednesday, September 13, 2017 5:25 AM

Hello f-8fanatic,
Thank you for your reply and research!
I found a link when i was trying to figure out why Eduard had the SU-27 down as grey and the MiG-21 down as green and found this link:

https://www.cybermodeler.com/color/cockpit.shtml



Here is my my test with 3 samples:
Left: A.MIG-223, this looks to green for me, I will get a MRP sample
Right: Tamiya XF-71 (Recomended in ICM instruction)
Middle: My home brew, unfortunatelly not enough left since my Hind back in 2007



Best regards
Johan

  • Member since
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  • From: Gothenburg
Posted by JohanT on Wednesday, September 13, 2017 6:01 AM

Hi again,
regarding the issue with the nose cone I found a lot of information following a thread at www.britmodeller.com yesterday.

http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1329&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

The boxart depicts a MiG-25RBT but in the box is a bit of both an RB and an RBT.
The kit can either be:

Updated to an RBT by scratching a bulge under the nose or by using AM parts.
This also includes omitting parts C21 & C22 which are the RB version.

Backdated to an RB by modifying the air intake and parashute housing.
Not sure about the stencil sheet though.

Now the threads are massive so I am pretty sure I have missed something.

Bellow a picture of Red 46 which is one of the options given in the stencils.
This is an RBT which means scratching the bulb for the doppler unit.

Picture from Scalemodels posted for reference purpose.



Best regards
Johan

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Posted by seasick on Wednesday, September 13, 2017 3:12 PM

I'm not sure that the color was under tight quality control, and suspect that the color was sprayed on at the factory before assembly.  If a ribbit counter mentions it at a show just tell them that its weathered.

Paint does strange things:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y9zhMTDDN4w&list=LL9JYe-HRF3SRQGGIgKX-6fA

Yes the problem has been fixed.

You can buy the new paint from Sherwin Williams if you want to: product: MIL-DTL-24441D/21B. Its maritime paint so it can be pricy. Paint your house, car, even boat with it.  

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Posted by blackdog62 on Friday, September 15, 2017 7:43 AM

My local paint store will mix any color I need as small a a few ounces as long as they can get the color codes. It's enamel but I get quite a bit more comperied   to a few bottles of hobby paint price wise. And don't have to deal with tip dry as much as with acrylics.

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