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Southeast Asia camo help
Posted by MUSTANG1 on Tuesday, December 04, 2018 8:54 AM

Is camouflage gray used in the SEA camo, or is it white? It looks white in all of the pic's i've seen. and all of the birds i've done in the past in the SEA camo i used white then i read that it's camouflage gray. So not sure what to use. Can anyone clear this up for me?   Thanks. Charley

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Posted by MUSTANG1 on Tuesday, December 04, 2018 8:56 AM

 

 

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Posted by jeaton01 on Tuesday, December 04, 2018 11:46 AM

Grey, not white.  Here's what I have used:  30219 Dark Tan, 34102 Medium Green, 34079 Dark Green, and 36222 Camouflage Grey.  The Model Master numbers are 1742, 1713, 1710, and 1733.

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Posted by rangerj on Tuesday, December 04, 2018 2:30 PM

Ditto the above. Those are the Federal Standard (FS) Color numbers and names used in the South East Asia camouflage paint scheme. The grey is a light grey but it is not white.

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, December 04, 2018 2:38 PM

The official specs called for the colors listed above, with Gray FS# 36622 being the predominant undersurface color. But there were some exceptions. Aircraft tasked with night ops, especially interdiction along the Ho Chi Minh trail, such as the B-57, AC-130, and B-26, has their undersides in Black, FS# 37038. The Combat Lancer F111As had their undersides in Green FS# 34079. The F-111s that flew in the Linebacker campaigns had their undersides in Black.

But...some of the early 12th TFW F-4Cs that went to SEA in their original scheme of Gray FS# 36440 over White in 1965 kept their White undersides and did not have them repainted into Gray FS# 36622 when camo began to be applied to tactical aircraft in theater. I’m not sure if the same held true for A-1s or T-28s in that same time period. 

 

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Posted by MUSTANG1 on Tuesday, December 04, 2018 4:12 PM

Thanks guy's this really helps. Ok. would anyone know of any 1/48 F-105g wild weazel decals with the sharks teeth out there? I've tried all the decal websites i can think of and can't find any. 

 

                                      Thanks again.  Charley

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Posted by Caveman on Tuesday, December 04, 2018 4:25 PM

https://www.ultracast.ca/product-p/ms48-0324.htm

This site has a few different sheets with the teeth but be aware, they want collector prices for some of them.  At the very least it will give you some specific info to help you in your search.  The exchange rate should help you as well.

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, December 04, 2018 5:56 PM

MUSTANG1

Thanks guy's this really helps. Ok. would anyone know of any 1/48 F-105g wild weazel decals with the sharks teeth out there? I've tried all the decal websites i can think of and can't find any. 

 

                                      Thanks again.  Charley

 

There were some older sheets by Microscale/Superscale and Aeromaster out there. But they are long out of production. Aside from the Ultracast site, I would suggest eBay as a place to look and keep your search criteria basic like “1/48 f 105” or “1/48 thunderchief”.

 

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Posted by Nathan T on Tuesday, December 04, 2018 7:53 PM

MUSTANG1

Thanks guy's this really helps. Ok. would anyone know of any 1/48 F-105g wild weazel decals with the sharks teeth out there? I've tried all the decal websites i can think of and can't find any. 

 

                                      Thanks again.  Charley

 

ebays got em.

 

 

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Posted by Liegghio on Tuesday, December 04, 2018 8:41 PM

The FS36222 is a very light shade of grey, particularly in contrast to the relatively dark colors used on the upper surfaces. I was in the Air Force in SEA, and even in person the gray looked white to the eye unless you compared  it to something actually white. 

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Posted by MUSTANG1 on Wednesday, December 05, 2018 3:38 PM

Thanks guys for all the help.

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Monday, December 10, 2018 8:58 AM

Tamiya XF19 with a couple of drops of white is a close match to FS 36622. MMP also makes it and is excellent paint. They have the complate SEA colors.

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Posted by goldhammer on Monday, December 10, 2018 10:42 AM

I just did a "what if" in Tamiya colors for the topsides and MM 4766 (acrylic) for the bottom...the Tamiya seems a little dark from my memories of working Phantoms back then.  The MM acrylic looks good to me.

 

Also in the Squadron Christmas flyer I noticed that Vallejo has come out with a Vietnam war scheme SEA set in the Model Air Line.  Hopefully thay are going to be a good match.  Going to order out a set to try out.

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Monday, December 10, 2018 11:39 AM

goldhammer

I just did a "what if" in Tamiya colors for the topsides and MM 4766 (acrylic) for the bottom...the Tamiya seems a little dark from my memories of working Phantoms back then.  The MM acrylic looks good to me.

 

Also in the Squadron Christmas flyer I noticed that Vallejo has come out with a Vietnam war scheme SEA set in the Model Air Line.  Hopefully thay are going to be a good match.  Going to order out a set to try out.

 

Thats why a few drops of white will lighten it. I have tried Vallejo Air and MMP and MMP sprays WAY better than Vallejo Air.

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Posted by Straycat1911 on Friday, December 14, 2018 12:13 PM

MUSTANG1

Thanks guy's this really helps. Ok. would anyone know of any 1/48 F-105g wild weazel decals with the sharks teeth out there? I've tried all the decal websites i can think of and can't find any. 

 

                                      Thanks again.  Charley

 

Charley, PM me. I have an extra sheet from a F-105G kit. 

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Posted by ikar01 on Friday, December 14, 2018 11:52 PM

If you get around to the B-52s during the war, watch out for the different green and the black should be gloss on the "D" model. There was also a reflective stripe on the outside of the wing tank from tip to tip that was broked in the middle for the last three numbers of the aircraft.

The "G" model used an entirely different set of colors compared to the "D".

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Posted by Caveman on Monday, February 25, 2019 9:26 PM

I know this is two months old, but are you still looking?

https://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/decals/caracal/decal_caracal_48143.shtml

Seems to be the way with me.  Once I change my plans or buy something for too much money, a new product comes along.

 

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Posted by bvallot on Wednesday, February 27, 2019 8:15 PM

stikpusher

The official specs called for the colors listed above, with...

Man! Saw that coming from about a mile out. I love it when Stik jumps in. Always learn something new.

One day I’d like to hear just how you know so damn much about so damn much. =]

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, February 27, 2019 8:47 PM

He reads a lot. 

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Posted by bvallot on Wednesday, February 27, 2019 9:30 PM

GMorrison

He reads a lot. 

 

HAAAA!!!

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, February 27, 2019 10:58 PM

bvallot

 

 
stikpusher

The official specs called for the colors listed above, with...

 

Man! Saw that coming from about a mile out. I love it when Stik jumps in. Always learn something new.

One day I’d like to hear just how you know so damn much about so damn much. =]

 

 

LOL! Thanks! Yeah I do read a bit... and for some reason, all that arcane knowledge stays in my head...

 

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Posted by Jay Jay on Thursday, February 28, 2019 9:29 AM

LOL I read a lot too but all I end up with is a head full of useless facts

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by jmoran426 on Thursday, February 28, 2019 10:37 AM
Alumni of University of Useless Knowledge, "Money Spentus, Tempus Wastus"! LOL.

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, February 28, 2019 10:39 AM

Jay Jay

LOL I read a lot too but all I end up with is a head full of useless facts

 

Change your reading material... At least find fun useless facts to read about.

Wink 

 

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