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Tamiya Bf109 E4 paint question
Posted by Dutch-modeler on Sunday, February 10, 2019 6:04 PM

Hi there, I have a question regarding tamiya acrylic paints for my next model, the tamiya Bf109 E4 1/48.

I was looking at The paint list and soon noticed that my inventory was still missing some paints marked with the blue dots (see photo below). 

At my local hobbyshop I can find all the paint numbers in 23ml bottles, except the:

• AS-3: grey green

• AS-4: grey violet

•AS-5: light blue 

I know that these are tamiya spray cans, but I prefer to use the regular 23ml bottles which I can then use for my airbrush instead. 

But I can‘t Find any 23ml bottles with these 3 colors.

so does anyone know the tamiya numbers in 23ml bottles for

• grey green (luftwaffe)

• grey violet (Luftwaffe)

• light blue (luftwaffe)

 

thanks in advance! 

Also here is a youtube video with the build of this beautiful kit I’m going to build:

https://youtu.be/fIblfGLHHo4

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, February 10, 2019 6:17 PM

The Tamiya spray paints are their take on some of the RLM colors. They have not in bottle equivelands currently. You will have to mix them or use an alternate brand. 

Gray Violet is usually RLM 75

Light Blue should be RLM 65, but could be RLM 76

Gray Green should be RLM 02

 

 

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Posted by Dutch-modeler on Sunday, February 10, 2019 6:40 PM

stikpusher

The Tamiya spray paints are their take on some of the RLM colors. They have not in bottle equivelands currently. You will have to mix them or use an alternate brand. 

Gray Violet is usually RLM 75

Light Blue should be RLM 65, but could be RLM 76

Gray Green should be RLM 02

 

 

 

thanks that’s all I needed! 

Also are these RLM colors in 10ml bottles? And are the acrylics? Sorry I’m used to work with Revell paints and I recently switched to the tamiya paints. 

 

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Posted by Rambo on Sunday, February 10, 2019 6:52 PM
Tamiya doesn't offer them colors in acrylic. I would suggest looking at life color acrylic they offer most all German RML colors and they are a very good match.

Clint

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Posted by Dutch-modeler on Sunday, February 10, 2019 6:57 PM

Rambo
Tamiya doesn't offer them colors in acrylic. I would suggest looking at life color acrylic they offer most all German RML colors and they are a very good match.
 

 

With “life color acrylic” you mean vallejo paints right? Sorry I’m kind of new to this hobby this will be my 4th model. 

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, February 10, 2019 7:22 PM

Revell paints:

RLM 02 = Revell Matt 45

RLM 74 = Revell Matt 69

RLM 75 = Revell Matt 47

RLM 76 = Revell Matt 49 (90%) Matt 05 (10%)

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, February 10, 2019 7:28 PM

Dutch-modeler

 

 
Rambo
Tamiya doesn't offer them colors in acrylic. I would suggest looking at life color acrylic they offer most all German RML colors and they are a very good match.
 

 

 

 

With “life color acrylic” you mean vallejo paints right? Sorry I’m kind of new to this hobby this will be my 4th model. 

 

Life Color is a different brand than Vallejo. Vallejo has their own take on RLM colors. If you have access to Humbrol paints, they now have RLM colors as well.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

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Posted by Phil_H on Sunday, February 10, 2019 9:41 PM

If you really want to use Tamiya paints, you'll have to mix up the equivalent of the RLM colours using the available paints.

This link may help you with that, but remember that it's one take on it and others may have other ideas. Smile

http://www.ipmsdayton.com/sites/default/files/Tamiya_Mixes.txt 

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Posted by Rambo on Sunday, February 10, 2019 10:00 PM
A lot of companies make RLM colors now not sure why Tamiya don't. If you want to stay with acrylic you have vallejo and life color and a few more. Vallejo has always been a problem for me to spray. Life color behave just like Tamiya and if your use to them then that would be what I would go with but that's just my opinion.

Clint

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Sunday, February 10, 2019 10:36 PM

Real Colors by AK Interactive:

http://www.akrealcolors.com/#link4

 

Mission Model acrylics also carry some RLM colors as well.

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Posted by lawdog114 on Monday, February 11, 2019 12:13 AM

BlackSheepTwoOneFour

Real Colors by AK Interactive:

http://www.akrealcolors.com/#link4

 

 

Just ordered these. I look forward to trying them. 

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Posted by Dutch-modeler on Monday, February 11, 2019 3:01 AM

All thanks for your help, learnt something today! I bought some vallejo paints and the rest of the missing tamiya paints. 

I eventually bought these 3 vallejo RLM Colors 

• Light Greygreen vallejo 71044 RLM 02

• Light Blue vallejo 71257 RLM76

• Grey Violet vallejo 71259 RLM75

 

I hope these are the right ones, correct me if I’m wrong. 

also, can anyone tell me if I can thin vallejo paints with tamiya XF-20 thinner? 

Thanks for all your help! 

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Posted by Rambo on Monday, February 11, 2019 4:07 AM

Dutch-modeler

All thanks for your help, learnt something today! I bought some vallejo paints and the rest of the missing tamiya paints. 

I eventually bought these 3 vallejo RLM Colors 

• Light Greygreen vallejo 71044 RLM 02

• Light Blue vallejo 71257 RLM76

• Grey Violet vallejo 71259 RLM75

 

I hope these are the right ones, correct me if I’m wrong. 

also, can anyone tell me if I can thin vallejo paints with tamiya XF-20 thinner? 

Thanks for all your help! 

 

You have to use Vallejo's own thinner. Tamiya thinner is alcohol based and alcohol turns Vallejo paint into a gummy mess. I learned that the hard way.

Clint

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, February 11, 2019 9:01 AM

Dutch-modeler

All thanks for your help, learnt something today! I bought some vallejo paints and the rest of the missing tamiya paints. 

I eventually bought these 3 vallejo RLM Colors 

• Light Greygreen vallejo 71044 RLM 02

• Light Blue vallejo 71257 RLM76

• Grey Violet vallejo 71259 RLM75

 

I hope these are the right ones, correct me if I’m wrong. 

also, can anyone tell me if I can thin vallejo paints with tamiya XF-20 thinner? 

Thanks for all your help! 

 

Since you are building an Emil, I am curious as to what paint scheme that you are going with? The Emil was built before the 74/75/76 camo scheme came along. Their production and service time spanned the time from 65/70/71 to the introduction of Gray 02 replacing one of the 70/71 upper greens, and later field mixed grays of the Battle of Britain that were the forerunners of 74/75/76.

Here is a great link on that subject

http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/index800.htm

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by Greg on Monday, February 11, 2019 9:17 AM

Dutch-modeler
also, can anyone tell me if I can thin vallejo paints with tamiya XF-20 thinner?

As Clint already said, no.

Since you are new to this whole acrylic paint thing, I have a suggestion for you. Whenever you find yourself ordering a new brand of paint, order some of their own thinner too.

In the time I've been here, I've sure read of a bunch of airbrushing trouble caused by playing Mr Wizard with thinning acrylics. And Vallejo in particular is very unforgiving.

Have fun with that 109!!!!

-Greg

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Posted by snapdragonxxx on Monday, February 11, 2019 10:42 AM

Vallejo is one of the few companies that produce chipset accurate paints for RLM, RAL and BS plus the American FS standard.

for the exterior of the E4 you need RLM 70/71 for the upper surface. And RLM 65 for the lower surface.

the E4 came into service during the latter stages of the Battle of Britain (late September 1940). You can also replace either or RLM70 or RLM 71 with RLM 02 which, is also the cockpit colour which changed in early 1941 to RLM 66.

by the time the major colour change came in the 109 was into the beginning of the F variant with some very late E7's showing 74/75/76.

Vallejo do paint sets that have these colours.

you should not need to dilute vallejo paints and if you do normal tap water will do just as well as the thinner will. Spray around 18-20 psi but take it down to 12-15 when doing close work.

Take a look through my Nick build to see just how Vallejo authentic Japanese chipset paints look on a Japanese aircraft.

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Posted by bobbaily on Monday, February 11, 2019 11:40 AM
Dutch-Modeler-I guess another question is when you say Vallejo, is that Vallejo (which is brush friendly) or Vallejo ModelAir, which is air brush friendly...but the use of their thinner does help.

bob

 

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Posted by Dutch-modeler on Tuesday, February 12, 2019 6:58 PM

stikpusher

 

 
Dutch-modeler

All thanks for your help, learnt something today! I bought some vallejo paints and the rest of the missing tamiya paints. 

I eventually bought these 3 vallejo RLM Colors 

• Light Greygreen vallejo 71044 RLM 02

• Light Blue vallejo 71257 RLM76

• Grey Violet vallejo 71259 RLM75

 

I hope these are the right ones, correct me if I’m wrong. 

also, can anyone tell me if I can thin vallejo paints with tamiya XF-20 thinner? 

Thanks for all your help! 

 

 

 

Since you are building an Emil, I am curious as to what paint scheme that you are going with? The Emil was built before the 74/75/76 camo scheme came along. Their production and service time spanned the time from 65/70/71 to the introduction of Gray 02 replacing one of the 70/71 upper greens, and later field mixed grays of the Battle of Britain that were the forerunners of 74/75/76.

Here is a great link on that subject

http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/index800.htm

 

 

I’m going with this Paint sheme, 

the paint list included with this kit says that I should use the colors that I bought. 

so Are the colors that tamiya says me to use wrong? or did I just buy the wrong RLM colors? 

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Posted by Dutch-modeler on Tuesday, February 12, 2019 7:00 PM

bobbaily
Dutch-Modeler-I guess another question is when you say Vallejo, is that Vallejo (which is brush friendly) or Vallejo ModelAir, which is air brush friendly...but the use of their thinner does help.
 

 

I think I bought the airbrush friendly, but I‘m Not sure. I think I have to order some Vallejo thinner as well...

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Posted by Phil_H on Wednesday, February 13, 2019 3:47 AM

Dutch-modeler
I think I bought the airbrush friendly, but I‘m Not sure.

You did. The ones you've listed are "71"s, which are ModelAir colours. Also, the ModelAir range has black caps, whereas the ModelColor range (for brush painting) has white caps.

As always with Vallejo paints, a primer coat is recommended as their adhesion to bare styrene isn't the best.

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Posted by Dutch-modeler on Wednesday, February 13, 2019 11:35 AM

Phil_H

 

 
Dutch-modeler
I think I bought the airbrush friendly, but I‘m Not sure.

 

You did. The ones you've listed are "71"s, which are ModelAir colours. Also, the ModelAir range has black caps, whereas the ModelColor range (for brush painting) has white caps.

As always with Vallejo paints, a primer coat is recommended as their adhesion to bare styrene isn't the best.

 

 

thanks for the tip! pulling of paint from your model is the worst nightmare any modeller has.

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