How about a 1:32 B-17G!!!!

Me and pap...

Take off.

In that 24 I could stick a pencil out through the gap between the, umm, panels next to me where I was strapped in in the RO seat.

[Homer Simpson drool sound....]

Sorry, couldn't resist that...

Thanks for the update, Bondo... I didn't figure on the plural vssingular..

So "Nazi Germany"", and "Nazi idiology" will fly, but Panel-Line *** won't...

I'm wondering if I can get my work area set up with those robotic paint sprayer arms like the kind GM uses when they paint the new cars.

Eric 

B17Pilot

Wingman_kz:

Other than that, my biggest concern would be having enough paint. lol

 

Yeah, can you get Testors MM enamels by the gallon? cause you're going to need that much i think

A couple of those tall spray cans of Krylon Camo would probably be enough wouldn't it?

Tony

Hans von Hammer

 

It doesn't like "N azi" either, for some strange reason, so you have to type "N azi Germany" with the space instead of Nazi Germany when referring to "Der Vaterland"...

bondoman

Wott'd you eat for breakfast, hookshooter? It may come as a surprise to you, but absolutely nothing on a model airplane is even close to scale at the tolerances you are suggesting.

Precisely my point. So why do people lay it on so thick when it comes to the topic of lapped panels or not?  

bondoman

The point is to have it look right. if I can see panel details on the real thing from 10 feet away, it's important to me.

So do simple engraved panel lines do it for ya or would you rather have the manufacturer spend more money  (and make a more exspensive kit) to develop lapped lines that are WAY overscale, just so they can be seen from a scale 75 yards?

Some folks just have nothing more important to worry about, in my unsolicited opinion, so.....
Ah, nevermind. It's just not so important to ME that I'm going to lose sleep over it.

Knucklehead

nazi is ok, but *** aren't. History has shown that more than one of the bastids just leads to trouble.

Wott'd you eat for breakfast, hookshooter? It may come as a surprise to you, but absolutely nothing on a model airplane is even close to scale at the tolerances you are suggesting. The point is to have it look right. if I can see panel details on the real thing from 10 feet away, it's important to me.

And thanks for the modeling lesson, hyperion.

If knowing a little something about a subject is "jumping on the bandwagon": I guess I can live with that.

Bunch of knuckleheads.

Wingman_kz

Other than that, my biggest concern would be having enough paint. lol

Yeah, can you get Testors MM enamels by the gallon? cause you're going to need that much i think

This would definitely be the exception to the rule for me. Not a hard and fast rule mind you, just an economics thing. The most expensive aircraft kit I have was around $50 and it was a gift. But good grief, this is a 1/32 B-17G. I'll sell something if I have to. Other than that, my biggest concern would be having enough paint. lol

Tony

No worries HK.  I always enjoy your posts.  Sometimes my kids like to sit with me while I read the forum posts.  I can't think on my feet fast enough to explain to them what some terms mean.  LOL!

Eric

Oops, you are right Eric. I let a couple of iffy words in there. Sorry about that. Next time I'm a little over exuberant about a post I'll try to remember to tone it down a bit.

Ahh... It woke up...

Well.. I'll be dipped in dog-poo..

Maybe they took that one off the list, or I caught it napping...

How about *** Tracy?

Hans von Hammer

It doesn't like "N azi" either, for some strange reason, so you have to type "N azi Germany" with the space instead of Nazi Germany when referring to "Der Vaterland"...

Hans, I think you've officially shorted out the nannybot!

On a side note, HK, easy on the language bud!  LOL!  I like to think this forum is still friendly for all ages and that include the youth who visit this site.  I've been on other forums where the language was way too crude for my liking.  Let's not let it go down that path.

Ain't a bad language problem on Shooter's part, Eric.. It's that ridiculous "language nannybot" they use here to filre out all bad language... He tried to type "D ick Grayson", the alter-ego of Batman's sidekick, Robin..... The nannybot here doesn't like the nickname for "Richard", so it edits it out, although the poster can't see that it's done so util after he posts, and sometimes, not even then.. So others just THINK you cussed...

It doesn't like "N azi" either, for some strange reason, so you have to type "N azi Germany" with the space instead of Nazi Germany when referring to "Der Vaterland"...

How about a shark tail version and a F to go along with the G?  If that happens, will need a bigger house, cause I will definitely be getting all of them.

No matter how accurate the kit is or isn't, I'm still going to get one!

hkshooter

People seem to have a hard on for correct lap joints for some subjects. I wonder if they are jumping on the "everybody else thinks so" band wagon.
In 1/32 scale a .050 thick sheet of metal is only one and a half thousandths thick. That's .0015. Or about 1/5 the thickness of the average piece of notebook paper. In 1/48th it's .001, about the thickness of gum wrapper foil after it's peeled off the paper backing.
One has to ask themselves, is this tiny little detail all that important in the scheme of things? I mean really folks. The rivets that hold the plane together stand higher than this and I'd bet the house that if a kit company covered a new mold in scale rivets that size everyone would have a shiit fit.
Methinks the house needs to keep things in perspective and listen to themselves sometimes.

And if anyone still wonders if it's really that important? The paint one would apply to get the model completed,  counting primer, paint, and two clear coats, gloss and flat, not counting decals, will be thicker than scale lapped panels.

BTW, I picked .050 right out of the air. I don't know how thick the skin on a B-17 is. Were I to wager a guess I'd say it's thinner than that, making our theoretical lap joints even thinner.

You have some very good points.  I think we sometimes forget that at a certain point, all extreme detailing does is cause us to go prematurely blind.  I always wonder to myself why I bother with internal details when I am working with something like the 1/48 B17G or B17F.  I mean, about 90% of my work will never be seen unless someone walks up to it with a pen light and magnifying glass.  And some external detail is just pointless because it will only be seen if you are ten inches or less from the model when completed.  I wouldn't mind recessed or raised panel lines as much if they were a bit less pronounced at 1/48 scale.  But some companies tend to overdo them in their kits.  On a lot of kits, I just fill most of them in and then rescribe thema tiny bit or paint over them and after the first clear coat goes on, I do a wash to bring out the tiny bit of detail that is left after all the paint coats.  I always prefer very subtle details like that.  For instance, If i am working on a plane which is basically OD in color, I will use something very close like Interior green for the wash.  And I make it a very dilute wash. 

I try to not worry about anything when I am modeling.  Over-concentrating and worrying just ruins the experience.  I model for relaxation and enjoyment.  I think some do stress on detail.  But if you're not building a contest piece, then relax and enjoy the experience.  You will be happier, and in all probability, your kit will come out better overall.

Rich

Who's holding the B-17?  The janitor?  Just kidding.

Maybe I'm just going through a phase or something but I'm kind of slowing down in my modeling purchases.  I'm going more for quality rather than quantity.  I can assure you it's not by choice!  LOL!  With my family, work and school obligations, I no longer have the amount of free time I used to have.  I still love building models but, as it stands, I'm only building mabye two a year rather than my old "one a month" production numbers of a few years back.

Having said all that, since I only work on a couple of kits a year, I, for one, would be happy to pay a little extra to get this kit.  I have no doubt that the cost of this one kit will probably equal the amount I spent on all of my kit purchases a couple of years ago.  I guess in my mind, that makes it all come out equal in the wash.  I can see me spending an entire year working on this one kit.

As far as the rivets and panel lines, I know some people get hung up about all them but I'm not one of them.  On a side note, HK, easy on the language bud!  LOL!  I like to think this forum is still friendly for all ages and that include the youth who visit this site.  I've been on other forums where the language was way too crude for my liking.  Let's not let it go down that path.

Thanks,

Eric

People seem to have a hard on for correct lap joints for some subjects. I wonder if they are jumping on the "everybody else thinks so" band wagon.
In 1/32 scale a .050 thick sheet of metal is only one and a half thousandths thick. That's .0015. Or about 1/5 the thickness of the average piece of notebook paper. In 1/48th it's .001, about the thickness of gum wrapper foil after it's peeled off the paper backing.
One has to ask themselves, is this tiny little detail all that important in the scheme of things? I mean really folks. The rivets that hold the plane together stand higher than this and I'd bet the house that if a kit company covered a new mold in scale rivets that size everyone would have a shiit fit.
Methinks the house needs to keep things in perspective and listen to themselves sometimes.

And if anyone still wonders if it's really that important? The paint one would apply to get the model completed,  counting primer, paint, and two clear coats, gloss and flat, not counting decals, will be thicker than scale lapped panels.

BTW, I picked .050 right out of the air. I don't know how thick the skin on a B-17 is. Were I to wager a guess I'd say it's thinner than that, making our theoretical lap joints even thinner.

As *** Grayson would have put it....Holy Plastic models batman!!!

That thing looks awesome.  The prototype test shots on Spruebrothers look like this thing will make an amazing build.  Sadly though I have no idea where I would put it, but I do have all too good of an idea what the wife would say when it entered the house, and an even better one of what she would say when she asked how much it was 

Thanks for the info though, it will defiently go on the list of possible future projects 

It looks pretty good to me. One thing, the way the guy is holding it, the fuse looks a little tubby back as far as the waist gun ports.

The plane is kind of a rivet monster, but so was the original, and it looks like the model may have lap joint panels. THAT is something long overdue in the modeling world.

Let me say that I'm one of the people b!thch'n bot the inaccuracies of this kit, so this for gerald and hans, and everyone else concerned with the issues of this kit. I've been reading everything I find on the forums about this kit, someone on britmodeller posted a link to a conversation on the LSP forums, here:

http://forum.largescaleplanes.com/index.php?showtopic=32403&st=105

Martin from wingscale talks about this kit and answers some questions, very interesting. High points beings that he hints at the possibility of a B-24 in 32nd, possibly a differant version of the B-17. He also noted that the pics of the B-17 are a hand made prototype, not the injection molded production model. And he made mention that the props are wrong and will be corrected, I ll let you guys read the rest. 

Hey did someone say they are going to offer a 1/32 P-61 ?????????? If so I gotta start savin my nickles now !!!!!!!!!

HawkeyeHobbies

Amazes how much criticism this prototype of a scale model gets...

No different than the criticism of the old kits...  Welcome to MY world, lol...  I gotta defend them all the time from those that can't handle raised panel lines (even when they represent over-lapping panels much closer than inaccurate, recessed, and in "made up at times" locations...  And THAT'S what was on a B-17 in most places.) And I won't even start on panel lines that "magically appear" where there should be no panel joints in the FIRST place, just a double-row of rivets on stressed-skin panels...

If the rivet details were raised, there would be even more complaints about that...recessed panel lined kits out sell those that aren't...basic business economics.

Then the "kitpickers" out there need to quit b*tching about "accuracy", because it's obviously not an issue, yet they're folks on this forum all the time moaning about accuracy... Because they obviously don't know what they're talking about then...  If that's their criteria, then I'd like to see them defend it after an "accuracy" issue comes up about a kit's raised ones...  I mean, let's face it... Most folks don't get up close and personal to these birds anytime in their life (no fault of theirs though), stuck on the "civilian side" side of a rope run around a parked Warbird, lol.....  

There are those, like me, and the guys who've served on/around Military Aircraft (like you) that get into and on the Warbirds, which I've had the opportunity and luck  to do with about every CAF aircraft there is...  But the majority are stuck with guessing about it and straining their eyes on a photograph or video to find out, rather than actually having run their hands along a fuselage, wing, or prop blade...  And yet, they go with whatever cockamamee"authority" there is about panel lines and rivets, and swear up and down that this particular area is "Inaccurate" or "wrong"... 

Even the manufactures don't get it "right" with many of them having lousy Research Departments.. I've even read of kits being designed  from drawings and pictures of fiberglass mock-ups, fer cryin' out loud...

Every one has the same opportunity to bring a product to market. Many have been asking for such a kit, yet one stepped forward to bring one into reality.  Applaud the effort...if it can be done better, step up and show us all how it can be done. In the free enterprise system if you have a better product at a competitive price, you'll own the market.

"Applaud the Effort", eh? For the asking price, it  had better be more than a "nice try" don't ya think, Hawk? P.T. Barmun was right...

Is anything perfect? We all spend money on things that are clearly over priced...that is something that will never change.

Not "All of us" are sucked in by marketing tricks, Hawk...   I said earlier that I'd buy it if they fixed the areas that needed it, and not until... But for that kind of money, "Close enough" ain't good enough...

Anyway, you got your gig, I got mine, Hawk... My standards are lower in some places, higher in others, same as yours, they just seldom "overlap"  get it? Overlap? Cuz we're talking about panels and some panels should overlap? Get it?)

But the bottom lines for me is this: Think of the diorama possibilites with the availablilty of 1/35th figures! They're close enough to 1/32nd and WW2 tanker CVC helnets work as a good flight-helmet base for conversion!  Man, That'd be a museum-quality dio for me to build!  But anything over that price, nope... Gotta pass, and that bothers me too.. As is, I'd offer 60.00, maybe even 80.00 bucks for it, tops, and that's only because the scale is one I'd I'd love to do a "Home ona Wing and a Prayer" Fort in...  But then, I'd have to buy two,  to do a rewuired (for me) "Before/After" dio as well...

But, P.T. Barnum neer met me...

Far too massive, physically and financially, for my humble hobby skills, but no less holy-freakin cow wow.

I commented on this plane in the B-25 thread before I saw this thread. I'm glad the release is a ways off so hopefully it will give me time to save for it. I have no where to display it but will absolutely have to build one. This is awesome.

After seeing this mentioned in the other thread I followed and read a bunch of links about it. If you look around you'll find several comments from the folks at WingScale that address the details, rivets and such. The pics you may or may not have seen are of a handmade prototype. Have faith.

Tony