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Galland BF-109E4/N. DB601N. Red gear leg?

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Galland BF-109E4/N. DB601N. Red gear leg?
Posted by Comanchepilot on Monday, January 20, 2014 4:12 PM

The scuttlebutt is that ALL 96 octane BF-109s had a red left gear leg to identify the need for the high octane fuel.

don Caldwells JG26 Diary notes on page 72 that Galland and Molders received 109E4/Ns . . . NotAbly Gallands famous Werke No. 5819. However, every photo I have seen of the airplane shows what looks like RLM 02 painted legs.  

So, what's up here?  The photos don't lie. So has anyone actually seen a photograph of a Red Legged BF 109?.

Next, Galland is reported to have said that none of his airplanes had the Mickey Mouse on the starboard side. Yet, there is a photograph of a BF 109 with the Mickey Mouse on the starboard side. So, you think that that was the alternate Werke number that he was using when his other aircraft was down?

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Posted by Nathan T on Monday, January 20, 2014 5:24 PM

The word "ALL" never applies in anything Luftwaffe. Many 96 Octane aircraft never had red gear legs. The only photo I know that shows this is a color pic of a  line up of G6-AS 109s, and one other color pic of a crashed G6-AS. I have these pics somewhere...I can't help you much on Galland's Mickey Mouse emblem. Was he referring to all his aircraft? Or only his Emils? The only suggestion I have is sometimes old WW 2 photos appear backwards.

 

 

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Posted by Comanchepilot on Monday, January 20, 2014 5:48 PM

This is definitely a starboard side emblem - the canopy only opens one way!

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Posted by Nathan T on Monday, January 20, 2014 5:55 PM

Is this his E-3 you are referring too?

 

 

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Posted by AndrewW on Tuesday, January 21, 2014 10:36 AM

I've not seen any of Galland's Emils marked with a red leg.  I've seen most of them include a small red stripe on the underbelly aft NEAR the rear leg, though I don't know if that's the same notation you're referring to.  Seems some aircraft had the red band and some a black band in the same location.  As for the Mickey Mouse, on his E-3 he seems to have had a red griffon like creature on both sides of the fuselage.  On his E-4 he had a characterized mickey mouse (holding a hatchet, a pistol and smoking a cigar) on both sides of the fuselage (an actual photo in Squadron's BF 109 in Action book shows the marking on the Port side with Galland disembarking the aircraft, stogie between his lips).   I'm presently using a Tamiya kit to build his E-4, and almost finished.  This is W. No. 5819, the rear leg in my references seems to be RLM 65 (hellblau) and as previously mentioned, there is a red stripe on the belly between the stabilizer struts.  The markings are bar + pointed bar chevron, from aft forward.  My decal sheet (Techmod) shows a number of references for the basis of the markings.  Not that they're correct, but I trust them to be somewhat historically accurate, at least as much as anyone is going to know.  This all said, I'd not recommend the Techmod decal sheet to anyone unless you love frustration.

Any other questions, and I may be able to help, so feel free to ask, if I can't answer I'll say so.

Hope it helps.

Life is hard, it's even harder when you're stupid - John Wayne.


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Posted by Comanchepilot on Tuesday, January 21, 2014 12:15 PM

nope- Werek No 5819 was an E4/N . . .

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Posted by Comanchepilot on Tuesday, January 21, 2014 12:20 PM

@Andrew  yeah, I had not seen any marked so - must have been the AS=6//14s only.  

There are numerous photos of WN 5819 - it did not have the mickey mouse until Dec 1940 - and that airplane only had it on one side - that is known from many photo records,    Galland flew another E4 - likely WN 6814 - which was a straight E4 converted to an E7 . . . but this photo clearly shows the cockpit opening toward startboard - there were no BF-109's with a port opening cockpit so it was clearly a different airframe since there are many many photos detailing that the Mickey mouse was only on one side of the E4/N WN  5819 after December 1940.    

Wr. No 5819 also had the telescope sight - so if you are going to model this airframe you are going to need to find a kit that has the appropriate parts or scratch build them . . .

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Posted by AndrewW on Tuesday, January 21, 2014 2:52 PM

Comanchee,

I am aware of the telescopic sight, and am tracking down some tubing to make the sight.  The photo I have shows the canopy opened on the port side (folded over towards the starboard wing) and Galland disembarking from the opened port side onto the wing.  Below him is the mickey mouse figure.   Then there are a few photos on this page (about 2/3 of the way down)

www.ww2aircraft.net/.../gallands-bf-109s-17889-14.html

showing the starboard side in late 41.  While obviously a mash of several different photos of several variants (the filter on the Frederich) one can see a photo of the mickey mouse emblem on the starboard side of an aircraft with Galland in the pit, the aforementioned telescope in the forward windscreen and E-4 canopy.  Unfortunately, the photos don't show a clearly visible W.No.

This site shows several photos of W No 5819 and mickey on the starboard side.

spitfiresintheantipodesmodels.blogspot.ca/.../extract-from-newsreel-showing-adolf.html

I think things vary quite a lot depending on which month the photo was taken.

Life is hard, it's even harder when you're stupid - John Wayne.


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Posted by Comanchepilot on Tuesday, January 21, 2014 3:13 PM

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Posted by Comanchepilot on Tuesday, January 21, 2014 3:13 PM

Andrew- there are dozens of photos which confirm that Werke No. 5819 NEVER had the Mickey mouse on the starboard side - so that photo, which is the one I was talking about, is the other aircraft which Galland flew during that time frame - which said I thought was a different # . . .

Plus, any photo taken in late 1941 would have had Galland flying a 109F . . . .  and anything after 1942 would have been using a FW-190 once he became Generalfligluftwaffe. . .

There were no gear legs painted RLM65 - almost all of them were RLM02 . . .

PS:  The Cyber Hobby and Eduard E4 and E7 kits have the telescope - so if you want to simply build another kit - you can find one with the correct parts - and you can even, if you want to play catch up, use the existing kit parts of make a mold for another kit . . . .

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