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How do I correct wing dihedral?
Posted by 1943Mike on Tuesday, February 25, 2014 10:22 AM

I'm not sure I'm even using the correct term, but my Lindberg 1/48 Curtiss JN-4's top wing has a positive dihedral (when oriented as it would be on the aircraft, the wing ends are higher than the wing's center).

I haven't built an aircraft since I was around 15 years old (56 years ago) so I'm always in awe of the skill most of the folks who post their WIP and completed kits on this site have. I've told my doctor to keep me alive for at least another 17 years so I can work my way through some of the ships and aircraft kits  that are taking a lot of space in my closets Smile.

Since I retired in June of 2010 I've built three ship kits (Revell's 1/96 USS Constitution, Revell's 1/96 Cutty Sark, and Dragon's 1/350 Buchanan - DD-484 as USS Duncan, DD-485. I'm taking a little break from building ships to try the above mentioned airplane I have in my stash.

Getting to my point: I bought someone's PDF on building the Jenny where he talks about correcting the positive wing dihedral by using hot water. It hasn't worked for me. I tried boiling water and even a hair dryer. Neither worked. The dihedral is still there. Should I just attempt to put it together with the "crooked" wing or should I just move on to a different model in my stash? If someone believes that the dihedral can be corrected, please elaborate how.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

Mike

Mike

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Posted by Nathan T on Tuesday, February 25, 2014 11:11 AM

So you tried boiling water by dipping the part in the water for about 5-10 seconds, then bending it by hand and it doesn't work? Then all you can do is cut the wings off from the center part and glue them on the way they are supposed to go. Then you'll have to fill any gaps with putty or plastic strip.

 

 

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Posted by 1943Mike on Tuesday, February 25, 2014 12:46 PM

Thanks for the reply Nathan.

I was afraid of the solution that you just mentioned - my modeling skills are still pretty naïve.

. I didn't really dip the wing in boiling water though. I put some weight on the center of the wing above the drain in my kitchen sink and poured in boiling water. I thought that perhaps just the weight of the filled measuring glass on top of the center of the wing would straighten it out. No luck. I'll give the obvious method that you describe a go - I can hold on to one wing tip and put the rest into boiling water for 10 seconds or so  -  then remove the wing from the water and try to bend it with some force in the opposite direction of its current dihedral. I'll let you know the result sometime today.

Again, thanks for the reply.

Mike

Mike

"Le temps est un grand maître, mais malheureusement, il tue tous ses élèves."

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Posted by Misty on Tuesday, February 25, 2014 1:20 PM

you could compromise and sand the mating surfaces where the wing joins the fuselage to get the right angle. it wont reshape the wing but at least it will point in the right direction. i did this with my lightning. i also used small self tapping screws to secure them at the right angle .if the mating surface is sanded correctly you wont need the screws but it doesnt hurt.

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Posted by Nathan T on Tuesday, February 25, 2014 1:21 PM

Good luck Mike. Maybe someone else on here who's built this kit can chime in.

 

 

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Posted by 1943Mike on Tuesday, February 25, 2014 1:34 PM

OK, straight as an arrow!!

Used my huge spaghetti caldron to put it in. Took it out with BBQ tongs. Looks like I can proceed Big Smile.

Thanks to both of you - Nathan and Misty.

Mike

Mike

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Posted by Nathan T on Tuesday, February 25, 2014 2:45 PM

Glad you got it.

 

 

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:14 AM

Cutting the wing all the way through may not be needed.  You could try cutting only about half way through, on bottom surface.  Then the remaining bridge should be weak enough you can bend wings down.  Do the wings bend each side of center section or at the middle. If the former  you will need two cuts with a razor saw.  In either case, put gel CA in saw kerf, set wing down on a piece of wax paper and put heavy weights on outer panels. It should set fairly flat.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by 1943Mike on Wednesday, February 26, 2014 10:52 AM

Don,

Thanks for the elaboration of Nathan's technique. As I mentioned in the post above - I was able to straighten out the dihedral by immersing the upper wing in boiling water and then simply bending it back to straight. I guess the first time I tried the boiling water method I was not successful simply because the stainless steel of my kitchen sink absorbed the heat too quickly. Also I had assumed Embarrassed that a little weight on the wing would do the trick without my physically bending the wing by hand. In any case it's fixed now and I've garnered a bit of confidence for the next time I need to straighten out styrene. I also will keep in mind the saw cut methods that both you and Nathan described.

Mike

Mike

"Le temps est un grand maître, mais malheureusement, il tue tous ses élèves."

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, February 26, 2014 5:58 PM

1943Mike

 I've told my doctor to keep me alive for at least another 17 years so I can work my way through some of the ships and aircraft kits  that are taking a lot of space in my closets Smile.

Guys, he's discovered our secret...

I'm glad it worked. It takes a fair amount of force and usually a number of repeats. I'm not gonna lie it also sometimes goes badly. But you did it, good work. Bear in mind though that since it's a biplane, you'll have to do the same to the lower wing. Simply forcing the assembly with rubber bands etc. will probably cause the top wing to spring back somewhat. I'm not familiar with the kit, but do check it out.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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  • From: Salem, Oregon
Posted by 1943Mike on Thursday, February 27, 2014 11:02 AM

GMorrison,

Re-inspecting my straightening of the upper wing I find that there's a very slight curve that I must have induced that doesn't belong there. It's within the overall dihedral and I'm sure I'll not be able to correct it. No matter, it's a learning experience and I am building this Lindberg Jenny more for practice than anything else.  I more or less straightened out the two bottom wing sections yesterday after reading what you said above.

Since this kit is pretty inexpensive and seems to be readily available (at least on eBay), I may try it again someday but I have 24 more aircraft kits to get to so I'm not too concerned.

Mike

Mike

"Le temps est un grand maître, mais malheureusement, il tue tous ses élèves."

Hector Berlioz

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Posted by Silver on Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:01 PM
Don't worry about it unless you enter your model in a contest arena.
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Posted by Silver on Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:03 PM
If it's real bad ,just get a better quality kit.
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Posted by Misty on Thursday, March 20, 2014 5:40 PM

Silver
If it's real bad ,just get a better quality kit.

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