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I Cheat on Canopies .
Posted by tankerbuilder on Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:58 AM

       Canopies , gee , even the word makes me shudder .Why ? well let me tell you a story .I had a bunch of planes I had to build and give away because of a change in duty stations .Going from land to a small ship in the fleet . No room for them . Seven days later all I had done were the canopies .Ugh , there's got to be a better way .

Aha ! Idea ! Went to the architectural supply store in the city where I was , then the Auto parts store  .Got it ! Striping tape in the smallest sizes iI could get in flat colors . This is now the way I still do them .This is not your ordinary tape either , they are decal tapes and pressure sensitive tapes , stripes , whatever you want to call them .They still do the job for me .  T.B.

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Posted by jelliott523 on Wednesday, January 14, 2015 11:15 AM

That's a good idea, and from what I can remember when I was working for a sign company doing a lot of vehicle lettering we often carried a bunch of this "pin-stripe tape" as we called it.  I also found that scraps of the vinyl that were left over came in handy for creating custom designs on car models.

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Posted by Eagle90 on Wednesday, January 14, 2015 11:20 AM

Great idea!  Anyone have any pics they could share?  Would love to see some canopies done with this.  I too REALLY hate doing canopies.

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Posted by the Baron on Wednesday, January 14, 2015 11:42 AM

It's a good idea, but for me, cutting and applying the tape is more work than just painting them by hand.

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Posted by VN750 on Wednesday, January 14, 2015 11:56 PM

Could you post the brand name of the tapes you are referring to?   Sounds like you are on to something.

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Posted by VN750 on Thursday, January 15, 2015 12:02 AM

There are some things you do in life that one might call cheating.  There is no such thing as cheating on canopies.  No Geneva Convention here.  Got some photos?

So far this is what I do. I line the strips of masking tape along the canopy lines and brush paint. No prime because it shows when I remove the tape. On a canopy like the Monogram A6M show it may take about 6 iterations of the process. This is 1/48 and it's MonoGram so I ain't buying a mask from Eduards. This model is not worth the added expense. However, if the model is a 1/48 Bf 110, I'm going to splurge. Still a newbie after a several decades of a layoff from modeling and feeling my way around.

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Posted by philo426 on Thursday, January 15, 2015 1:52 AM

I dont cheat too often,I go the the blue 3M route most of the time.I must confess i did cut the BMF into strips for the Devastaor in my Avatar.       

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Posted by Jon_a_its on Thursday, January 15, 2015 5:44 AM

Inkjet decal paper, spray interior colour, then exterior colour, then seal.

Clean/polish/seal with Future the canopy.

Cut strips of the prepared decal paper to the correct widths, & apply, with Sol/Set if needed.

Be careful not to allow too much overlap when overlapping individual strips, & it doesn't work too well on radiused curves, such as the front of the Hurricane screen.

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Posted by Ashley on Thursday, January 15, 2015 9:37 AM

I use a technique similar to Jon, but with foil. The interior color goes on one side, exterior on the other and it is attached with MicroMetal foil adhesive. The foil has to be primed with an etching primer, then most hobby paints will adhere to it very well.

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Posted by Nathan T on Thursday, January 15, 2015 10:26 AM

Geez, and I thought Eduard pre cut masks were cheating...Tongue Tied

 

 

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Posted by wing_nut on Thursday, January 15, 2015 10:51 AM

Nathan T

Geez, and I thought Eduard pre cut masks were cheating...Tongue Tied

Hehe, me too Wink  Some good ideas though.

Marc  

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Posted by Texgunner on Thursday, January 15, 2015 10:53 AM

Nathan T

Geez, and I thought Eduard pre cut masks were cheating...Tongue Tied

The only pre-cut masks I've used were EZ Masks, and I thought they worked really well (and EZ Masks does have a pretty big selection).  Have any of you used both EZ masks and Eduard to get a bit of a comparison between the two?

Gary


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Posted by Nathan T on Thursday, January 15, 2015 3:00 PM

Gary, yes I have. Ez masks are vinyl, and can basically only be positioned once, as they are more tacky and less forgiving. I also think Eduard's masks do consistently fit the model they are made for better than EZ masks. Also, Eduard usually includes other masks in their sets such as wheels and even some for landing lights, radar panels, etc...However, for some kits EZ mask is the only game in town.

 

 

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Posted by Texgunner on Thursday, January 15, 2015 3:14 PM

Nathan T

Gary, yes I have. Ez masks are vinyl, and can basically only be positioned once, as they are more tacky and less forgiving. I also think Eduard's masks do consistently fit the model they are made for better than EZ masks. Also, Eduard usually includes other masks in their sets such as wheels and even some for landing lights, radar panels, etc...However, for some kits EZ mask is the only game in town.

Thanks for the info Nathan.  I found that if I dipped the EZ masks into a bit of water/dish detergent solution before application, they were much easier to position, and was even able to stretch them a little to get a better fit if needed.  I still need to try an Eduard mask.  You are so right however that EZ is often the only one available. 

I've spoken with the owner, Chris Loney, on the phone and he told me that the masks are designed after much fitting and tweaking to get them right.   I also lobbied hard for a set for Monogram's 1/48 Hind; might just see a set from Chris someday.  The canopies on that bird do intimidate me some.  The EZ masks are also quite affordable, enabling me to buy a set for many of the kits in my stash.

Gary


Edited to add:

Just to expand on my comments somewhat, here's some info regarding the EZ masks taken from their website:

Using scraps of this vinyl for masking for more than three years by the traditional methods of cutting and fitting I could see benefits from the material itself in addition to the obvious advantages of a machine precutting them. This material has a very persistent adhesive (I have always had problems with tapes eventually lifting, whereas this seems to stay put indefinitely.) Conversely, it lifts relatively easily when you need to remove it. It is also waterproof which means you can wet -sand after applying it, without affecting its adhesion.

It seems tougher than most tapes which means it will stand better when you must sand near it. There is one thing to bear in mind and that is that this vinyl stretches and this can be either a problem or a benefit depending on how careful you with it. As the adhesive is very strong once it sticks, it sticks; if you get it in the wrong place and try to pull it off, you run the risk of stretching it out of shape and ruining it. On the other hand, if you are out only slightly, you can stretch it into position, if you use care. A wooden toothpick is helpful here. To help prevent the piece sticking too soon, you can lubricate either the kit piece or the vinyl itself with water containing a bit of liquid soap ( after you lift the piece with tweezers, just dip it right into the water.) This will allow you to slide the vinyl into position like a decal and it will stick once the water evaporates or it is squeezed out from beneath. This meets with skepticism from some people but it does work! . Once you get used to working with them, you can speed things up by applying them dry. I expected to hear modelers having many problems at first but surprisingly it seems everyone catches on quickly. Good pointed tweezers are the key tools to use and an extremely sharp knife for lifting or cutting. I apply from a corner if possible working along one edge up a second edge then across the part.

I recommend saving your scraps either to touch up misplaced pieces or to use on other masking jobs. A number of people including myself have used this material to mask for painted on markings without any problems although if left on too long I'm afraid you will lift the paint. I have been using a barrier coat of Tamiya Clear dried overnight and getting the mask off as quickly as possible. The stretchability of this material is terrific for working around compound curves for stripes. Although this material is being offered by others as masks for camouflage, I don't see this as a very easy material to apply in the correct place for this type of work, I don' t see it as being affordable, and I certainly don't want to be on the receiving end when somebody loses half of their beautiful paint job removing the mask!



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Posted by Raualduke on Thursday, January 15, 2015 7:18 PM

That ain't cheating. Work smarter not harder I sez. Gonna try that on my next aircraft. I botched a canonopy so bad a couple years ago I scrapped the project.

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Posted by Devil Dawg on Thursday, January 15, 2015 10:10 PM

You mean you can cheat???!!! Aaagggghhhhh!! I had no idea!!  Propeller

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Posted by Nathan T on Thursday, January 15, 2015 10:17 PM

Good tips from the EZ mask website Gary. I never knew about the water trick. Thanks for posting this.

 

 

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Posted by Texgunner on Friday, January 16, 2015 8:03 AM

Nathan T

Good tips from the EZ mask website Gary. I never knew about the water trick. Thanks for posting this.

You're welcome Nathan, I'm glad I could help a little. Big Smile

Gary


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Posted by tankerbuilder on Friday, January 16, 2015 10:00 AM

Yeah !

   I was sitting here after I posted this and tried something even worse, I masked the whole canopy and cut out the frame parts .Then I wet sanded all of them till I started to thin the edges of the tape !

   Then I got the right sized Evergreen strip and after painting it , applied it with Tamiya liquid Glue . Not bad if I say so meself

    So you see , the old saying is true " There's more than one way to skin a cat " ( Fish of course . ) !

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Posted by VN750 on Friday, January 16, 2015 11:19 AM

Anyone used parafilm?

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Posted by RobGroot4 on Friday, January 16, 2015 4:25 PM

I have used parafilm, it's tough  because you have to stretch it out to use it, but if you stretch it too far it just tears.  I have found the easiest way to use it is to stretch it, wrap it around the part, and then carve off the portions I don't want masked.  I then had the revelation that I can do exactly the same thing using BMF as a mask and I don't end up tossing out 2-3 sections because I stretched too far.  Just my opinion.

As for edges, it doesn't do too bad as when stretched it's very thin, so you shouldn't get any ridges along the edge.  Though with something jagged, like teeth or a triangle or something, you could have lifting as parafilm doesn't have adhesive.  You might also have little bits that can tear off and stick to the paint along the edge.

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Posted by the Baron on Monday, January 19, 2015 12:46 PM

I tried Parafilm once, and I'd like to try it again, because my test wasn't a good one for a first try.  I used it on a vacuform canopy that I had already removed from the "carrier" sheet.  It was so fiddly that I couldn't cut the Parafilm well.  I'll try it again on an injection-molded canopy, which should provide a firmer backing for cutting.  I also will try it for masking camo.

I did try filling the canopy with putty, Silly Putty, but it was still too wobbly to cut easily.  But that taught me to leave the canopy on the backing, at least till I mask it, and then cut it away and paint it.

I use Tamiya tape for masking.  I tried the blue painter's tape.  It has a good low amount of tack, but I found that it tends to fray when cut, and it left tape fuzzies and adhesive behind.  I found that for me, Tamiya's tape sticks well, cuts well, lifts off well and doesn't leave behind a lot of residue.

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Posted by AdeB on Tuesday, January 20, 2015 8:38 AM

I'm just building a Dragon TA 154 , couldn't find any commercial masks so I spent about 2hrs with the Tamiya tape !!!!

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Posted by Texgunner on Tuesday, January 20, 2015 9:46 AM

AdeB

I'm just building a Dragon TA 154 , couldn't find any commercial masks so I spent about 2hrs with the Tamiya tape !!!!

EZ Mask has what you needed.   May be next time?

http://www.ezmasks.com/aircraft.html


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