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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, January 10, 2017 1:44 AM

I have one partially built and sidelined. Mostly due to own wanting to deal with that razorback issue. Otherwise it really is a beauty. I'm planning on completing mine as one of the doomed fighters in the Philippines in 1941 flying from Del Carmen field. 

 

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Posted by M. Brindos on Tuesday, January 10, 2017 2:54 AM

Now that's a sweet idea. I love all of the oddball aircraft in the Pacific theatre. I hope you can find some more inspiration for that build! :)

i was thinking of making Chenault's a/c when he was in China making his evaluation of the Chinese Air Force before the AVG was formed. There's just one picture that I found. Not much to go on, but it was a pretty beat up plane that had obviously seen better days.

It would make an interesting subject.

I don't even remember if it was a P-35 or a P-36, but it caught my attention.

 

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Posted by Toshi on Tuesday, January 10, 2017 3:46 AM

As always, I love your scratch building.  Your subject is also something I don't see a lot of on the forum.  I'm looking forward to your paint scheme!

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Posted by Jay Jay on Tuesday, January 10, 2017 8:06 AM

Very interesting W.I.P and I'm vicariously enjoying this  one. The pre war aircraft are my favorite subjects and I know that this one will not dissapoint in your capable hands.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by M. Brindos on Tuesday, January 10, 2017 11:26 AM

Thank you, my friends.

I'm enjoying this build very much.  :)

my biggest hurdle in the place I'm now living in, is finding a warm, dry place outside to spray some primer. 

But I'll get it figured out And I'll get some paint flowing soon.  :)

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Posted by Mikeym_us on Tuesday, January 10, 2017 5:01 PM

M. Brindos

Now that's a sweet idea. I love all of the oddball aircraft in the Pacific theatre. I hope you can find some more inspiration for that build! :)

i was thinking of making Chenault's a/c when he was in China making his evaluation of the Chinese Air Force before the AVG was formed. There's just one picture that I found. Not much to go on, but it was a pretty beat up plane that had obviously seen better days.

It would make an interesting subject.

I don't even remember if it was a P-35 or a P-36, but it caught my attention.

 

 

I believe I heard it was a P-35 that Chenault was flying.

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Posted by richs26 on Tuesday, January 10, 2017 9:51 PM

Mikeym_us

 

 
M. Brindos

Now that's a sweet idea. I love all of the oddball aircraft in the Pacific theatre. I hope you can find some more inspiration for that build! :)

i was thinking of making Chenault's a/c when he was in China making his evaluation of the Chinese Air Force before the AVG was formed. There's just one picture that I found. Not much to go on, but it was a pretty beat up plane that had obviously seen better days.

It would make an interesting subject.

I don't even remember if it was a P-35 or a P-36, but it caught my attention.

 

 

 

 

I believe I heard it was a P-35 that Chenault was flying.

 

Mikeym_us

 

 
M. Brindos

Now that's a sweet idea. I love all of the oddball aircraft in the Pacific theatre. I hope you can find some more inspiration for that build! :)

i was thinking of making Chenault's a/c when he was in China making his evaluation of the Chinese Air Force before the AVG was formed. There's just one picture that I found. Not much to go on, but it was a pretty beat up plane that had obviously seen better days.

It would make an interesting subject.

I don't even remember if it was a P-35 or a P-36, but it caught my attention.

 

 

 

 

I believe I heard it was a P-35 that Chenault was flying.

 

Actually that would be Curtiss-Wright's H-75H, a fixed gear export demonstrator model of what would become the P-36.  The Chinese also bought 3 CW-21's which was a different aircraft from the Hawk H-75.

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Posted by M. Brindos on Wednesday, January 11, 2017 12:15 AM

H-75H got it.

I'll be keeping an eye out for that. 

Stik mentioned that Hobbycraft makes a kit of that. 

I think I now know what I'm looking for.   :D

thanks guys!

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Posted by roger_wilco on Wednesday, January 11, 2017 1:09 AM
Looking really good so far Mike and the improvements you're making will make this model really stand out. The Hobbycraft P-35 mentioned is indeed a very nice kit. I built one 17 years ago as a Swedish Air Force version.

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, January 11, 2017 1:32 AM

M. Brindos

H-75H got it.

I'll be keeping an eye out for that. 

Stik mentioned that Hobbycraft makes a kit of that. 

I think I now know what I'm looking for.   :D

thanks guys!

 

They do indeed... it comes with markings for China and Siam on the kit decal sheet. Possibly a Latin American country as well, IIRC. I have not looked at the one in my stash in years. I am planning to build mine in Chinese markings.

 

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Posted by M. Brindos on Wednesday, January 11, 2017 2:46 AM

No kidding?! That's exactly the one I want to build too.  :)

another piece of Chenault's legacy for my collection. 

I will be looking for this kit when I have the cash to spare.

Thanks again!

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Posted by Cdn Colin on Wednesday, January 11, 2017 5:50 AM

Hobby Craft's "Blitz Hawk" just arrived at my door last night.  I didn't see the fixed landing gear parts, but it comes with the parts to model just about every Hawk 75 or P-36.  Even the teardrop antenna the Norwegians had on the aircraft they trained with in Canada after the fall of Norway.

I'm very excited.

I build 1/48 scale WW2 fighters.

Have fun.

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Posted by M. Brindos on Friday, January 13, 2017 4:15 PM

I hope you'll do a WiP Colin. I'd like to see how it goes together.

 

I've got some of the paint in the pit now. Just basic blocking with a green wash, but it's staring to look like it should. The details on the side walls didn't take too long once I got into it. I just tossed in some basic structures to fill it in.

The pilot looks like a manequin right now so I have to go back over him some to make him look more life-like. He's got some good details, but his face isn't one of them lol.

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Posted by iampiper13 on Friday, January 13, 2017 4:50 PM

looking awesome! What color do you use for the flightsuit?

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, January 13, 2017 4:58 PM

Not to nitpick, but should that cockpit be green? I was under the impression that on NMF pre war AAC/AAF aircraft, the cockpit was often bare metal or aluminum lacquer with Black IP and control boxes. At least that is what period photos tend to show. As war neared various manufacturers used several different greens in cockpits as a reflected glare reduction measure. 

 

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Posted by M. Brindos on Saturday, January 14, 2017 2:08 AM

Huh?

Uh. I didn't know that. The instructions call for "Green". Pretty vague.

In the French scheme the camo call outs are Green, Yellow, and  Brown. Nothing specific. 

I'm relying on past experience here. :/

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Posted by M. Brindos on Saturday, January 14, 2017 2:13 AM

iampiper13

looking awesome! What color do you use for the flightsuit?

 

I used Vallejo Desert Yellow with a Dark Brown wash in preparation for highlighting. Just part of the method I use for figure painting. :)

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Posted by richs26 on Saturday, January 14, 2017 2:49 AM

Mike, the USAF Museum has the very first P-36A produced.  It has a NMF cockpit as shown in these photos:

http://aircraftwalkaround.hobbyvista.com/p36/p36.htm

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, January 14, 2017 1:50 PM

M. Brindos

Huh?

Uh. I didn't know that. The instructions call for "Green". Pretty vague.

In the French scheme the camo call outs are Green, Yellow, and  Brown. Nothing specific. 

I'm relying on past experience here. :/

 

No worries there my friend. I suspect they are reprints of the 70s era instructions when research was far less prevelant and not at our fingertips...

As far as I know, French Hawks would be in the Dark Blue Gray, Green, and Brown over Light Blue Gray in Europe and Indochina, or Sand, Green, and Brown over Light Blue Gray in North Africa and the Middle East. After the armistice with Germany, they would have worn the Red & Yellow Vichy stripes.

 

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Posted by M. Brindos on Saturday, January 14, 2017 10:31 PM

I did a respray in Vallejo Silver.

Pictures to come later.  :)

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Posted by bvallot on Sunday, January 15, 2017 9:04 AM

Very nice so far Mike. Sorry it's been a while. =] Stik is right...pretty much all the pre-war stuff was NMF. Antiglare measures were an after thought. Should be an easy fix at this stage though. Toshi's right about having some less sought after aircraft in the mix. Always nice to see something different.

Looking forward to seeing you whip this Hawk into shape! =]

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, January 15, 2017 12:14 PM

M. Brindos

I did a respray in Vallejo Silver.

Pictures to come later.  :)

 

Yes

 

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Posted by seasick on Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:27 PM

The aluminium alloy used back then for fighter airplanes is called duraluminium. Its an alloy of 95% or so aluminium with copper and some other additives. Its much stronger than plain aluminium but it rust like crazy. Our old friend zinc chromate comes to the rescue. Its usually painted on in its pure form which is a greenish yellow. The color drives some people up the wall. The green zinc chromate is the yellow stuff with some black pigment mixed it. Usually just some black paint. 

I can't imagine the aircraft having bare aluminium in that part of China and not rusting away in 6 months. 

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Posted by M. Brindos on Monday, January 16, 2017 6:10 PM

I did a little work today to figure out how I'm going to adapt the Airfix glass. Not much to show for it so far except that there are massive gaps I will have to fill up with some styrene scraps and sand flush. No biggie.

Because the Airfix parts are so much thinner you can really see the details on the inside much better so I'll have to make sure I paint that pit up real purdy. ...and that pilot will really need some mpore TLC before he's ready for display.

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Posted by Toshi on Monday, January 16, 2017 7:47 PM

This is going to be very interesting.

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Posted by M. Brindos on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 3:21 AM

Thank you, my friend. Another build that I hope really comes out well.

I certainly hope I can nail a NMF as well as you've been doing lately.

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Posted by mustang1989 on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 3:40 AM

Lookin' good so far Mike! Man that is an aircraft I just don't see a whole lot of or hear about much. Cool subject.

 

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Posted by M. Brindos on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 3:47 PM

I still remember my childhood being filled with characatures of these planes in a lot of cartoons from the early 40's.

 

I've always admired these pre-war aircraft because of it.

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 5:37 PM

mustang1989

.... Man that is an aircraft I just don't see a whole lot of or hear about much. Cool subject.

 

 

which is really a shame as it saw action on many fronts from 1939 to 1943 or so under the flags of many nations, Axis and Allies. 

As a side note, more P-36s got airborne and engaged the Japanese air to air than P-40s at Pearl Harbor on December 7th.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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Posted by richs26 on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 7:07 PM

Just googling Curtiss H-75 images, I found this Thai fixed gear H-75 if anyone is interested:

http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/DETAILSITE/dsindex800.htm

 

 

 

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