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1/48 ERTL/Esci Curtiss P-36A Hawk (Completed pg. 6)

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Posted by M. Brindos on Thursday, February 2, 2017 2:51 AM

Surprisingly I've not seen any Mongram kits in 1/72 that I can remember.

I just remember the 1/48 aircraft.

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Posted by roger_wilco on Thursday, February 2, 2017 1:06 AM
That's looking really good Mike. I had the Pearl Harbor version in 1/48th from Hobbycraft, but sold it recently. In 1/72 I have the old, but still very nice P-36 from Monogram.

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Posted by M. Brindos on Wednesday, February 1, 2017 8:59 PM

Alrighty. Wheels up. :)

thanks.

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, February 1, 2017 7:46 PM

wolfhammer1

If its flying, then the wheels need to be up, unless you want it in a landing or takeoff mode, at which point you need flaps.  Probably easier to do wheels up.

Looking great so far.  Like what you did with the IP.

John

 

Ditto

 

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Posted by wolfhammer1 on Wednesday, February 1, 2017 7:33 PM

If its flying, then the wheels need to be up, unless you want it in a landing or takeoff mode, at which point you need flaps.  Probably easier to do wheels up.

Looking great so far.  Like what you did with the IP.

John

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Posted by M. Brindos on Wednesday, February 1, 2017 7:02 PM

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, February 1, 2017 5:27 PM

Looks pretty damn good now Yes

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, January 30, 2017 5:24 PM

Yes the Academy kit is a rebox of one of the Hobbycraft moldings. Probably the one with the Twin Wasp engine and not the Wright 1820. The cowling on mine fit just fine, but you may have to fiddle a bit with moving the engine forward a tad or the prop seats against the cowl lip.

 

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Posted by BrandonD on Monday, January 30, 2017 11:44 AM

richs26

Mike, you inspired me to get a P-36.  I picked up an Academy 1/48 "Rasmussen 86" edition for $16 on Ebay so hopefully I can get started on it sometime after it gets here.  I want to get another so I can do a 1st PG one flying off the USS Enterprise, and an 18th PS in OD and tail stripes in May 1942.

 

Rich - if that is the old Hobbycraft plastic (I am pretty sure it is) then just be aware that the engine sits too far back in the cowling. I had to do some brute, hammer mechanic surgery on my French Hawk 75 (pretty recent in this forum) to make the engine fit after Ihad painted the thing. Also, to fix the seams for the insert around the tail wheel, I sawed off themolded-on gear doors and added them at the end. Made all the difference.

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, January 30, 2017 12:40 AM

M. Brindos

 

It's got to be a better kit than the one I'm working on. I want details!  :)

 

Lol! It is. I've built both. The old kit is a fair example of mid 70s mold technology, not top of the line for the time, but not the bottom either. The Hobbycraft/Academy kit is an example of how far mold technology changed in two decades. Not quite top of the line, cutting edge for its time, but a very nice effort.

 

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Posted by M. Brindos on Sunday, January 29, 2017 11:54 PM

Awesome! Don't forget to post your WiP when it shows up at your door!!  :D

It's got to be a better kit than the one I'm working on. I want details!  :)

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Posted by richs26 on Sunday, January 29, 2017 8:31 PM

Mike, you inspired me to get a P-36.  I picked up an Academy 1/48 "Rasmussen 86" edition for $16 on Ebay so hopefully I can get started on it sometime after it gets here.  I want to get another so I can do a 1st PG one flying off the USS Enterprise, and an 18th PS in OD and tail stripes in May 1942.

WIP:  Monogram 1/72 B-26 (Snaptite) as 73rd BS B-26, 40-1408, torpedo bomber attempt on Ryujo

Monogram 1/72 B-26 (Snaptite) as 22nd BG B-26, 7-Mile Drome, New Guinea

Minicraft 1/72 B-24D as LB-30, AL-613, "Tough Boy", 28th Composite Group

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Posted by M. Brindos on Sunday, January 29, 2017 1:23 AM

I'm finally getting back to this build again after finishing the T-90. I've refined the pilots skin tones a little more and reworked his eyes. He doesn't look so fake anymore lol.

I'll find the time to post pictures tomorrow.  :)

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, January 23, 2017 11:09 PM

richs26

 

 
stikpusher

The 15th Pursuit Group was sent to Hawaii to reinforce the 18th Pursuit Group shortly before the outbreak of war in 1941. 

 

 

 

Stik, the 15th PG was not sent to Hawaii.  It was activated at Wheeler on 1 December 1940 with cadre from the 18th PG. The 18th was activated at Wheeler in 1927.  I believe that they received their P-36's in February 1941, but I am doing more research on that.

 

I suppose that I used the wrong word in "sent". The 15th was created and assigned as reinforcements to Hawaii and the 18th. And while they used a cadre from the 18th, the rest (aircraft and personnel) had to be "sent" from the mainland. Thanks for the clarification.

 

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Posted by M. Brindos on Monday, January 23, 2017 7:04 PM

Now that is some handy information to have at hand.

I have a lot of info on the 8th PG, but I haven't dug too deeply into the 1st PG yet.

You just springboarded my research a lot!

That being said, I'm building this one as a ceiling hanger. There isn't nearly enough detail in this kit to bring its status up to premier display piece.

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Posted by richs26 on Monday, January 23, 2017 4:06 PM

M. Brindos

Which persuit group was that? The markings I have for this build are for the 1st persuit group based at Mitchel Field in NY.

Which brings up the research I found about the Monovell P-40. The markings for the 8th persuit group are not from Hawaii, but also from Mitchel Field in NY. (I found that interesting)

Seems I'm starting to collect planes from the east coast lol.

"The Mitchel Field Collection" LOL

 

Mike, you can use the 1st PG markings (27th and 94th PS) as one of the P-36's shipped off to Wheeler Field in February 1941 on the USS Enterprise.  Information I received from David Aiken, noted Pearl Harbor scholar, states that the 1st PG was one of the donors for the USS Enterprise delivery:

   on 23 Oct 1939 20 P-36s from Selfridge and Langley Fields arrived...

0n 21 Feb 1941 31 P-36s from Moffett, Hamilton, and Selfridge Fields arrived

Most P-36s were assigned to the 18PG, however as the 15PG became active, most of the 18PG P-36s were assigned to the 15PG...and 18PG got the bulk of the new P-40s

So you can go ahead and plant that P-36 on the deck of the USS Enterprise to be flown off to Wheeler Field.

 

 

 

WIP:  Monogram 1/72 B-26 (Snaptite) as 73rd BS B-26, 40-1408, torpedo bomber attempt on Ryujo

Monogram 1/72 B-26 (Snaptite) as 22nd BG B-26, 7-Mile Drome, New Guinea

Minicraft 1/72 B-24D as LB-30, AL-613, "Tough Boy", 28th Composite Group

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Posted by richs26 on Monday, January 23, 2017 1:41 AM

stikpusher

The 15th Pursuit Group was sent to Hawaii to reinforce the 18th Pursuit Group shortly before the outbreak of war in 1941. 

 

Stik, the 15th PG was not sent to Hawaii.  It was activated at Wheeler on 1 December 1940 with cadre from the 18th PG. The 18th was activated at Wheeler in 1927.  I believe that they received their P-36's in February 1941, but I am doing more research on that.

WIP:  Monogram 1/72 B-26 (Snaptite) as 73rd BS B-26, 40-1408, torpedo bomber attempt on Ryujo

Monogram 1/72 B-26 (Snaptite) as 22nd BG B-26, 7-Mile Drome, New Guinea

Minicraft 1/72 B-24D as LB-30, AL-613, "Tough Boy", 28th Composite Group

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Posted by M. Brindos on Saturday, January 21, 2017 3:17 AM

Thanks, Stick. I'll look that up later. A Pearl Harbor P-36 will have to be included in my future plans.  :)

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, January 21, 2017 2:02 AM

The 15th Pursuit Group was sent to Hawaii to reinforce the 18th Pursuit Group shortly before the outbreak of war in 1941. 

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by M. Brindos on Saturday, January 21, 2017 1:25 AM

Which persuit group was that? The markings I have for this build are for the 1st persuit group based at Mitchel Field in NY.

Which brings up the research I found about the Monovell P-40. The markings for the 8th persuit group are not from Hawaii, but also from Mitchel Field in NY. (I found that interesting)

Seems I'm starting to collect planes from the east coast lol.

"The Mitchel Field Collection" LOL

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Posted by richs26 on Friday, January 20, 2017 9:23 PM

I noticed on the P-36 Wiki entry that the 39 Hawaiian P-36A's were delivered to the islands by being flown off the deck of the USS Enterprise in February 1941.  This was the first time that USAAC planes were flown off a carrier by Army pilots.  This would make an interesting diorama for somebody.

WIP:  Monogram 1/72 B-26 (Snaptite) as 73rd BS B-26, 40-1408, torpedo bomber attempt on Ryujo

Monogram 1/72 B-26 (Snaptite) as 22nd BG B-26, 7-Mile Drome, New Guinea

Minicraft 1/72 B-24D as LB-30, AL-613, "Tough Boy", 28th Composite Group

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Posted by BrandonD on Wednesday, January 18, 2017 3:19 PM

Looking good! The cowl design on this kit is superior to the Hobbycraft, which is two halves and therefore a seam to eliminate between the guns. Even though they are separate parts, mine had a misaligned mold and they are somewhat flatter than they should be. Oh well.

As to the interior colors - there seems to be a lot of discussion, especially around the French ones.I read enough to convince me that painting my French one in a light shade of green was good enough. But I didn't want to go crazy over the cockpit on one I was planning to do closed canopy anyway. 

French colors, since they were brought up, should be Gris Bleu Foncé (dark grey-blue), Khaki (A deep green color that's something like a mix of Tamiya Green and Deep Green) and Brun (Brown. I used Tamiya flat brown straight for mine). Underside is Gris Bleu Clair (light grey blue). Model Master makes these, and Tamiya has callouts in the instructions for the Dewoitine D.520 to match them, though the green is way off, in my opinion. Also, Tamiya has a different mix for the underside color listed on the box and on the instructions. They should be available online in Tamiya's website.

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Posted by richs26 on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 7:07 PM

Just googling Curtiss H-75 images, I found this Thai fixed gear H-75 if anyone is interested:

http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/DETAILSITE/dsindex800.htm

 

 

 

WIP:  Monogram 1/72 B-26 (Snaptite) as 73rd BS B-26, 40-1408, torpedo bomber attempt on Ryujo

Monogram 1/72 B-26 (Snaptite) as 22nd BG B-26, 7-Mile Drome, New Guinea

Minicraft 1/72 B-24D as LB-30, AL-613, "Tough Boy", 28th Composite Group

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 5:37 PM

mustang1989

.... Man that is an aircraft I just don't see a whole lot of or hear about much. Cool subject.

 

 

which is really a shame as it saw action on many fronts from 1939 to 1943 or so under the flags of many nations, Axis and Allies. 

As a side note, more P-36s got airborne and engaged the Japanese air to air than P-40s at Pearl Harbor on December 7th.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by M. Brindos on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 3:47 PM

I still remember my childhood being filled with characatures of these planes in a lot of cartoons from the early 40's.

 

I've always admired these pre-war aircraft because of it.

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Posted by mustang1989 on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 3:40 AM

Lookin' good so far Mike! Man that is an aircraft I just don't see a whole lot of or hear about much. Cool subject.

                   

 

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Posted by M. Brindos on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 3:21 AM

Thank you, my friend. Another build that I hope really comes out well.

I certainly hope I can nail a NMF as well as you've been doing lately.

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Posted by Toshi on Monday, January 16, 2017 7:47 PM

This is going to be very interesting.

Toshi

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Posted by M. Brindos on Monday, January 16, 2017 6:10 PM

I did a little work today to figure out how I'm going to adapt the Airfix glass. Not much to show for it so far except that there are massive gaps I will have to fill up with some styrene scraps and sand flush. No biggie.

Because the Airfix parts are so much thinner you can really see the details on the inside much better so I'll have to make sure I paint that pit up real purdy. ...and that pilot will really need some mpore TLC before he's ready for display.

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