F-4E/F-4F Puzzle

Speaking of Led Zepplin, I've always wanted to get a Hindenburg kit build it and paint it lead colored and then put led Zepplin logos in place of the flags.

rangerj

 Lead Zepplin? Good grief! I like real music like Glenn Miller, The Dorsy brothers, or Artier Shaw. 

 

yeah I'll listen to those guys too... anc Tchaikovsky, Bach, Wagner, Rossini, The Clash, Blink 182, Mumford and Sons, Toby Keith,  and many things in between...

IIRC one of the resin aftermarket companies makes a set of non-slotted stabs for the F-4 in 1/48th scale. Lead Zepplin? Good grief! I like real music like Glenn Miller, The Dorsy brothers, or Artier Shaw. 

Devil Dawg

 

 

stikpusher

The shape remains the same. 

 

 

 

 

Didn't Led Zeppelin have an album with that name??   Heh heh heh.....

 

and a movie too!!!

stikpusher

The shape remains the same. 

 

Didn't Led Zeppelin have an album with that name??   Heh heh heh.....

All things considered and a whole lot of extra research later, turns out my memory isn't as bad as I thought.  I remember distinctly guarding a ramp full of SE Asia Camo F-4s but thought maybe I remembered wrong since I didn't spend a ton of time on that particular ramp.  Turns out I was right, Holloman sported a handful original F-4Es until 2004 for training purposes.  I'll use my F-4E kit to go that route.  In the meantime, I'll continue keeping my eyes pealed for a good F-4F kit to cover the other parts of my history of rivet counting in the ramp.  So many hours of my 20's...

only in coloring. The shape remains the same. 

Did the randome change for the Luftwaffe ICE Phantoms? 

IIRC the AN/AWG-14 had their AN/APQ-120 radar sets replaced with the newer AN/APG-65 radars. 

Phil,

Intetestingly the birds were German owned and sent to HAFB to train Luftwaffe pilots with.  The USAF markings would lead one to believe otherwise, but the stabs would be  slotted since that's all Germany ever owned.  Awesome reference pics by the way!

All,

Thanks for the tips, keep'em coming!

I'm actually planning on building an ICE Phantom using the Hasegawa kit in 1 48. I believe have have some extra Hollowman Markings I would send you. We are in the middle of a move so I'll have to search for them. You are right on the non slotted stabs. Some jets carried the F-15 style center tank vs. the navy style. I am using resin seats from Aires that claim to have the British style harness That the Luftwaffe used also. I'm sure there are some other minor differences.  

No AIM-7.

PS: If I recall correctly, the F-4F's were built without the air-to-air refueling system, so if you're starting out with an F-4E, the outline of the receptacle on the aircraft's spine needs to be filled.

Standard Luftwaffe F-4F, non-slotted stabs, slatted wings.

https://abpic.co.uk/pictures/full_size_0373/1559314-large.jpg

Holloman birds.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/McDonnell_Douglas_F-4F-54-MC_Phantom_72-1150.jpg

Difficult to tell if the stabs are slotted, but I believe not.

Over the years they wore different schemes, both USAF and Bundesluftwaffe. But almost always with US markings.

I'd be interested in the paint scheme. The comment you made is kind of mysterious as far as the Luftwaffe and Holloway AFB...

But it sounds ambitious.

Bill

Learning has occurred, thanks! I'll keep digging through reference material while i'm traveling and getting my bench reset now that I know what I'm looking at.  May have to put this one on hold if I cant dig up enough aftermarket or a better base to get after what I want.  Leave it to me to start off complicated .  

Here is the slatted wing

and the older unslatted with leading edge flaps

Best bet is to use a different base kit. The Italeri kit is a rebox of the ESCI F-4E, which is an early version with the early hard wing. I don't recall if the stabs in that kit are slotted or not. And I'm at work so I can't look at the ones in my stash. If the stabs are not slotted, then all you need is the slatted outer wing panels and the actuator housings for under the lower inner wings. There are three per side. And of course you would have to scribe the slats in the inner wings.