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MPM 1/48 Heinkel He 177A-5 Greif - Complete

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  • Member since
    January 2015
  • From: Katy, TX
Posted by Aggieman on Wednesday, October 7, 2020 9:26 AM

tempestjohnny
Wow what a difference on the glass. The fit looks half way decent
 

Agreed.  I'm actually pretty happy with this kit, despite its short-run characteristics.  It is not fighting me like a Special Hobby kit would (in my experience, anyway).  Yeah, that canopy did not look like it had any intention of fitting half way decently to the surrounding fuselage, but it didn't resist my efforts to force it into position.

I've finished up the first round of sanding and puttying, and have attached one of the wings.  Even with that custom wing spar, it is still a questionable fit.  That attachment stub is so pathetically insufficient.  I had to whittle a bit of it away and scrape away some of the slot in the fuselage just to get it inserted, but it felt a bit unstable even after I got it properly slotted in and secured with tape and clamps.  I'm going to let it sit out there for a few hours before I inspect it, and before turning my attention to the opposite wing.  Hoping to get all of the wings and stabilizers into position tonight, fill the seams tomorrow, and get some paint going by Friday.

  • Member since
    November 2003
  • From: Naples, FL
Posted by tempestjohnny on Wednesday, October 7, 2020 4:16 AM
Wow what a difference on the glass. The fit looks half way decent

 

  • Member since
    January 2015
  • From: Katy, TX
Posted by Aggieman on Tuesday, October 6, 2020 4:56 PM

An update: I managed to wrangle the wings together without any problems, and I was quite surprised that I ended up not having to do anything radical to get the canopy into position.  I did have to put on my patience hat, however, for all of this.  

For the canopy, I initially glued one side to the fuselage, no glue following along the rear part that follows the curvature of the fuselage.  I let that sit for a few hours, then returned and glued the opposite side, again nothing along the rear of the part, and held it until the glue set.  After that it was an easy effort to get the rear flush with the fuselage (well, almost flush).  

I followed a similar strategy with the wings.  One portion of one of the nacelles did not want to align, but by glueing short portions at a time, I was able to force it into proper position.

I have attached all the necessary clear parts, including the big curved windscreen, with all the masking in place.  And I have started on the laborious seam work for this beast.  I scraped and sanded a bunch, then have put down a coat of putty.  Since my photos I have done an initial sanding job on the dried putty, but more of that is to come.  Still more to come, also, when I get to attaching the wings and stabilizers.

I expect to do more seam work tomorrow, then get to attaching the wings and stabilizers.

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    April 2015
Posted by Mopar Madness on Monday, October 5, 2020 6:54 PM

I like your idea for the wing spar. Really unfortunate about the fit up front though. But it sounds like you've got a good plan to rectify the situation.

Chad

God, Family, Models...

At the plate: 1/48 Airfix Bf109 & 1/35 Tamiya Famo

On deck: Who knows!

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    December 2002
  • From: Northern California
Posted by jeaton01 on Monday, October 5, 2020 10:01 AM

I think I'm glad I decided to stick with 1/72 for the well named Grief, uh, I mean Greif!

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.html

 

  • Member since
    November 2003
  • From: Naples, FL
Posted by tempestjohnny on Monday, October 5, 2020 9:32 AM
You've definitely got your work cut out for you on this one.

 

  • Member since
    January 2015
  • From: Katy, TX
Posted by Aggieman on Monday, October 5, 2020 9:20 AM

Ugh, regarding that game - I didn't expect A&M to win, but I also didn't expect them to field such a junior high school defense either.  Oh well.  I managed to spend most of Saturday listening to that abomination of a game while working on the Greif.

This kit has some lovely fit issues.  Even when one gets parts together as snug as they will go, there remains awful gaps and huge seams that will have to be dealt with.  The wings are the worst for this; they don't seem to be well-molded with the intent that they actually belong together.  The stub used to attach each wing to the fuselage is (a) garbage and (b) insufficient to the task for which they were designed.  Chad, your suggestion is definitely a good one, but given my budgetary constraints, I engineered my own wing spars out of styrene bars that I had on hand.

The other awful fit is the canopy.  I have thus far simply placed it into position, and it is as if the part was never test-fit during kit development.  I'll try to first "stretch" the part under some hot water to get it into a more passable fit, but right out of the box, this is the worst I have ever seen for any similar parts (worse that Monogram's B-29 or even Special Hobby's Me 264).

Cockpit and the canopy

Poor fitting seams

Wings and wing spar

From here I will continue to get the wings together.  That's going to be a slow process to get the best fit and alignment as the parts will allow.  And I'll start to work on the canopy.

  • Member since
    April 2015
Posted by Mopar Madness on Saturday, October 3, 2020 7:47 PM

I would HIGHLY recommend the Nautilus wing spar set for this kit.  The wing butt joints are pretty weak. 

http://nautilusmodels.com/48-803.htm

Chad

God, Family, Models...

At the plate: 1/48 Airfix Bf109 & 1/35 Tamiya Famo

On deck: Who knows!

  • Member since
    January 2015
  • From: Katy, TX
MPM 1/48 Heinkel He 177A-5 Greif - Complete
Posted by Aggieman on Saturday, October 3, 2020 12:41 PM

It is glorious here in SE Texas today.  Temps have been almost unseasonably cool, with bright sunshine, college football is back, and I'm back at my bench.  Well, I seem to have spent an inordinate amount of time at the bench this year, so only the weather has really changed.

I am going to do a work-in-progress with this build, MPM's big Heinkel He 177A-5 Greif (Griffon is how that translates).  In recent years I've built a couple of other Heinkel warbirds - Special Hobby's 1/48 He 115B-1 and Revell's huge 1/32 He 111P-1, and curiously, I did WIP's on those as well.  I'm not sure what I find so fascinating about building replicas of Heinkel warbirds that I am compelled to share the building journey with everyone, but I figure I won't get any complaints.

Here is the kit box-top.

This is one of Germany's few heavy bombers.  It was probably not considered a successful aircraft, mostly due to its rather unique engineering.  It's a 4-engined heavy bomber that scales out to about the same size as an US B-17.  Notice, there are only 2 nacelles.  Each nacelle was fitted with 2 engines, which apparently was the source of many issues ground crews faced with this bomber.  I believe the Greif was used heavily on the Eastern Front, but I know it also saw some action in the West as well.  To that point, I first recall seeing the Greif depicted in the movie Enemies at the Gate, and then many years later, there was a great sequence of a Greif dive-bombing a building in the movie Allied.

First impressions of this kit:  it's a fairly typical short-run style of kit, with nary a locator pin to be found, and rather thich sprue attachment points on many of the parts.  But unlike the typical short-run kit, there is no parts upgrades in PE, and only a small number of resin parts.  And the kit features a great amount of detail in the cockpit, mostly in the form of levers that one would typically see represented via PE (so these parts are likely a bit thick, but I like the way they look). Panel lines are thin.  The major parts seem good, with no warping that I can detect, but the wings so far have revealed some potential alignment issues when I've test fitted them.  The plastic surface feels a bit rough, but a quick pass with sanding pads will take care of that.

So construction has begun in the cockpit.  I started by putting down a coat of RLM 02 Grau on all the interior surfaces and parts.  I know that at some point the Luftwaffe switched their standards for their aircraft interiors, opting for the darker RLM 66 dunkelgrau, but I've taken a bit of artistic license here by using the RLM 02.  My reasoning is that the lighter grey paint will allow for better visibility of the cockpit parts and the various dials and levers than would the RLM 66.  As for this particular aircraft, I don't know when it would have rolled out of Heinkel's factory, but I am doing a bomber that belonged to 6/KG 100 out of Toulouse-Blagnac, 1944, so it's likely this one would have featured the darker interior.

The kit does not come with seatbelts, so I used my standard brown grocery paper bag to fashion belts for the 4 seats included in the cockpit.  I wired the rear of the tiny IP and ran the wire along the console to the rear of the cockpit, and I added a wire to the backside of the control column.

This wider shot shows my workbench with the first thing I ever purchased from Squadron, a book on German heavy bombers with the 177 featured on the cover. I actually bought the book for its inclusion of the Amerika Bomber, the Me 264 (which I built a few years ago from a 1/72 Special Hobby kit).  The book features a good write-up on the Greif, as well as a few photographs that may be of good reference when I get to the exterior painting.

That's it for today.  Have some family time for the day planned, as well as listening to the football game from Tuscaloose, Alabama - the Aggies have won there before, but honestly I'm not expecting a victory for my good guys today.

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