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Posted by ruddratt on Sunday, February 12, 2012 3:32 AM

Ernest, here's a great reference for when you plan on building that D.VII. I found it invaluable when I build mine.

http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/Ger/Fok_DVII/other/index.html

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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Posted by Heavens Eagle on Sunday, February 12, 2012 2:05 PM

ROTFLMAO!  Mike!

Not sure "exactly" when I will be starting the Seimens.  Am trying to finish up another build before starting something new.  Been putting rivet marks onto it for the last week and have most of that done. Then more assembly, detail work, and paint.  It is coming along well, but keep getting distracted by other "interesting" things.  Bang Head   So many things to do and not even enough time.

Oh and 

Rolling 

On 

The

Floor

Laughing

My

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Big Smile

 

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Posted by ruddratt on Thursday, February 16, 2012 9:18 PM

Hmmmmmm, been pretty quiet around here lately. Been getting some work done on the DR.I, and with any luck should have enough done on the 'pit to warrant a few WIP pics to post either later tonight or sometime tomorrow. This is a nicely detailed little kit, and the 6 marking options are really colorful, yet diverse.

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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Posted by wing_nut on Friday, February 17, 2012 8:25 AM

I have been keeping a much lower profile of late.  Only spent about an hour at the bench once in the last 6 weeks.

Mike you are correct but this seems like this Gb will have a fair amount of ebb and flow.  The roster has been undated with the link to your Hanriot.   Looking forward to the wip pics.

Marc  

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Saturday, February 18, 2012 11:07 PM

I know this isn't a WWI thing, its a scifi thing, but I took inspiration from the WWI English tanks and their insignias for this so I decided to show you, its not finished, but its close.

 

 

 

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Posted by ruddratt on Sunday, February 19, 2012 4:26 AM

Smeagol, I'm glad you showed it here. Looks good to me! I can see the inspiration and the resemblance to the WWI armor. Nice work!

Got a bit to show on the DR.I. This is the 'pit where it stands. Soon (maybe tonight) I'll be buttoning it up. It's done pretty much OOB with only a few added details,like the control cables and bracing wires. Everything fit into it like a dream. This has got to be one of the best engineered Eduard kits I've worked on.

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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Posted by wing_nut on Sunday, February 19, 2012 10:57 AM

Smeagol, that chassis sure looks like it could be clunking over some trenches in 1917.

 

Mike, you are well on your way to earning that 3rd bullet hole.  Looks real nice.

Marc  

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Posted by ruddratt on Monday, February 20, 2012 9:44 AM

Thanks Marc!

The fuselage seams have been cleaned up, as well as each of the three wings, the struts, the main gear, and the tail assembly. A dry fit after a little tweaking of each shows these will all now fit flawlessly. This is important, because each of those components will have to be painted and decaled separately before the final assembly due to the complexity of the paint scheme. The main gear was modified to lower the stance a bit - she was sitting way too high as is.

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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Posted by wing_nut on Monday, February 20, 2012 6:33 PM

What scheme are you doing?

Marc  

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Posted by ruddratt on Monday, February 20, 2012 8:30 PM

Marc, the one I'm doing now is the "A" scheme on the instruction sheet, and with this being the dual combo kit, the second build will be the "B" scheme (my wife chose that one - she loved all the 'pretty colors') Wink

http://www.eduard.com/store/Eduard/Plastic-kits/Profipack/Aircraft/1-48/Fokker-Dr-I-DUAL-COMBO-1-48.html

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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Posted by wing_nut on Tuesday, February 21, 2012 6:40 AM

Your wife was able to make her decision easily but all those schemes look sweet. 

Marc  

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Posted by waikong on Tuesday, February 21, 2012 8:19 AM

Mike, can't wait to see it with more build up and some paint. The dual combo is nice with the extra PE.

My website: http://waihobbies.wkhc.net

   

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Posted by ruddratt on Tuesday, February 21, 2012 8:43 PM

I can tell ya one thing Marc - it took me quite some time to decide on just ONE scheme because they all look amazing. My wife - well, she's very partial to anything red, and as such I had a pretty good idea as to which one she'd choose. Wink

Waikong, Eduard is really on to something with these dual kits - a sweet amount of value for the buck.

Should be getting some paint on it by thursday. For the streaking, I'm going to vary a bit from my E.V by using a base coat of RLM 65 instead of deck tan (the 65 will also be used for the underside blue), and also cut my olive green oil mix with a touch of violet to give it a slightly browner hue.

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Wednesday, February 22, 2012 5:01 AM

I always wanted to try my hand at Bi-planes.  I'm rubbish at normal planes but bi/tri-planes look fun and a bit simpler... to bad my first experience with them was a horrible one.  Its a shame to, I do like painting the cockpits

 

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Posted by ruddratt on Wednesday, February 22, 2012 8:04 PM

Fun, definitely (they're a blast!!), but easier, that's where I may tend to differ. In fact, one of the main reasons I build them almost exclusively is because of the lack of a challenge (for me) with the single wing stuff (which is what I'll build when I need something less demanding). For example, getting the proper dihedral on one wing can be tricky, but two or three? The struts sometimes need modification as well in regards to their length, and then you're talking about nailing the fit of an upper wing that can have as many as 12 attachment points (and I ain't even got to the rigging yet). They're beautiful aircraft (as much so as their single wing counterparts), so my belief in the fact that so few show up on model forums has more to do with the degree of difficulty and less with aesthetics.

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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Posted by ruddratt on Friday, February 24, 2012 7:28 PM

Got a swack of painting done on the DR.I today with all 4 main colors being applied (OD, white, Nato Black, and RLM 65 for the light blue). A while back I'd mistakenly purchased some Tamiya enamel thinner instead of the acrylic stuff, but today I found out that it thins MM enamels beautifully. The OD and the RLM 65, both MM enamels, went on without a hitch. Got to let it all cure up overnight for tomorrow night's session, which will be a generous gloss coat followed by the streaked camo on the wings and fuselage. I'll definitely be posting some pics (it's looking pretty good so far).

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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Posted by wing_nut on Wednesday, February 29, 2012 7:39 AM

Looking forward to seeing some more progress Mike.  Always love your builds.  I know it tough when it looks like there isn't anyone watching... but we are here.  Even with my self imposed moratorium I am lurking and will never be completely gone

Marc  

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Posted by ruddratt on Wednesday, February 29, 2012 9:22 AM

No worries Marc. I'm still having a blast here. Between my work schedule lately and spending time with the wife, I haven't had much much time to post further pics on the DR.I, but I was able to finish all the streak camo on the wings and fuselage sunday afternoon - very happy with how it turned out. I'm anticipating another session at the bench thursday evening and hopefully I can get some pics up then. Yes

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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Posted by waikong on Wednesday, February 29, 2012 10:02 AM

Can't wait to see your streaking.  I had to redo mine a few times and at the end still wasn't completely happy with the effect. One problem is the availability of only B/W pictures to go by, it's difficult to tell what it really looked like. As different color profiles looks different depending on the aritist.

My website: http://waihobbies.wkhc.net

   

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Posted by wing_nut on Wednesday, February 29, 2012 2:58 PM

waikong

Can't wait to see your streaking. 

I was streaking at Ohio State in 1973Embarrassed  I am glad you are referring to Mike's plane.Stick out tongue

Marc  

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Posted by waikong on Thursday, March 1, 2012 9:19 AM

ahhhh, no offense Marc, but PLEASE dont post pictures of your streaking...Surprise

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Posted by ruddratt on Friday, March 2, 2012 4:33 AM

OK fellas, here's a few shots of the streak camo on my DR.I. Gotta say I'm pleased with how it turned out. The base coat was MM RLM65 with a coat of Future. I then layed in the random streaks of white, raw umber, and my OD (a mix of yellow ochre, black, and a little violet to cut the green a bit). Mixing each color with a little japan dryer really gave the oils a nice consistancy to work with, making the blending process a breeze as well as cutting the cure time to about a day and a half.

Waikong, I went back and took another look at your DR.I and man was I blown away. I think you did a super job on the streaked camo, and I agree with your statement 100% about the many ways this pattern can be interpreted based on period photos.

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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Posted by waikong on Friday, March 2, 2012 8:25 AM

Mike, great looking streaking.  Thanks for your compliments - but here's what I didn't like about my streaking, the lines were too 'distinct' - a factor of my using acrylic paints throughout. Perhaps if I laid in an overall misting coat at the end.  I think your using oil definitely created a more 'blended' effect that I like a bit better.  I guess the real plane had the camo dyed on the linen before it was mounted on the plane? Or were they field applied with paint brushes? Perhaps someone who knows more about WW1 subjects than I knows the answer.

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Posted by jgeratic on Friday, March 2, 2012 11:12 AM

Mike - that streaking looks really good, nice technique there.

I'm no WW1 expert, but have spent more than a few nights reading some of the plethora of threads at the Aerodrome forum on Fokker streaking.  There is a lot written there, much discussion and sometimes very hotly debated opinions.

  Of what is certain is the streaking was applied by hand brush at the factory.  Some have suggested an 8 inch wide brush, but I forget how they came to this conclusion.  There is a photo from a factory of a worker with a number of fokker wings on a rack, drying perhaps.  There seems to be a conscious effort that the applied wing surface streaking was at an angle of about one to one and one half ribs apart.

What is hotly debated is the surface colour before applied streaking.  Most seem to be of the opinion it was either plain or treated canvas (but not coloured). 

The colour of the streaking is another proverbially can of worms.   There are three proposed methods I have read about. 
The simplest is the olive(?) was stroked on with a back and forth motion till the paint ran out, then the brush was reloaded and contined from the last applied stroke. 
Second method was to have three buckets of the same paint colour, but each one was thinned more than the previous. 
Thirdly, there was two or even three colours of paint used.

regards,

Jack

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Posted by jtrace214 on Friday, March 9, 2012 11:15 PM

Hey Marc,I took first place tonight for "Empire Night" with my Mk.IV I was totally suprised when Martin called my name I won a $25 gift cert. for Avenel.I will post pics when I get a chance...

 

John

the pic to the left is my weekend condo lol

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Posted by bufflehead on Saturday, March 10, 2012 9:41 PM

 OK, the Bronco A13 British tank is done so I'm back and ready to get crackin' on the Pfalz D.III!!  I'll start posting pics probably tomorrow, but first I spent a little time getting caught up on the GB happenings:

Mike - very nice work on the streaked camo!!  The oil paint seems to have provided the effect you've wanted and that's always a good thing!  And the interior is DA BOMB!!  Really, its excellent, I'm very impressed!  Also, thanks to you and Paul for the tip on the Ultracast Spandau MG sets!!  Those are very nice and I 'm going to have to get me set for the Fokker!!

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Posted by bufflehead on Saturday, March 10, 2012 10:58 PM

What the heck, I decided to take a pic of the parts......all 22 of them!!

This is DEFINITELY the least amount of kit parts I've ever encountered!  Don't know if that means a quck build or alot of scratchbuilding!!  The interior consists of the pilot's seat...that's it!  

So I'm not sure how to build this.  Since its my first AC, should I just build it OOB and concentrate on the painting and markings, waiting to build a better kit with the Eduard D.III I picked up last month?  Or do I try to make some improvements, with hardly any reference material to help?

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Posted by ruddratt on Saturday, March 10, 2012 11:57 PM

Jack, great write-up on the streaked camo. Lots of good info in there that I was not aware of. Thanks for posting that!

John, congrats on the award! Yes A well-deserved win.

Ernest, thanks buddy! I am eagerly anticipating this build. From the looks of it, it's a perfect candidate for a little scratchbuilding on the interior. You should check out the Wingnut Wings site and look at some of the details of their Pfalz. Some great reference pics, as well as a good place to check out some of the interior detail they incorporated into their kit. Knowing your skill level, with a little styrene stock, you could bang out a serious 'pit for that bird. It'll also be a good test bed to try a few weathering and rigging techniques too.

As for my Fokker, all the markings are on and most of the sub-assemblies have been weathered. I should have a few more pics up tonight, as well as some progress on those neat little Spandau guns.

(...and it's nice to see this GB still goin' on!) Yes

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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Posted by ruddratt on Sunday, March 11, 2012 4:04 AM

OK guys, I know I've been a bit lax on posting pics, but believe me, I've been at this guy on a regular basis. Got all the markings on and most of the main sub-assemblies have been weathered as well. It'll be a short while before I hit the home stretch, though.

Tonight I was able to get some paint on the main gear and cabane struts and should be installing them soon. The gear struts will be tricky - small attachment points and each strut is an individual piece, so I'll be working with eight attachment points at once. Gotta say I'm dreading this step just a bit. Also started work on the Spandau guns. The Master PE/brass detail set for these guys is nothing short of amazing. I'm taking my time with these suckers.

Anyway, hope you enjoy the pics.

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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Posted by jtrace214 on Sunday, March 11, 2012 7:42 AM

Thanks Ruddratt,I'm not sure if I should post a pic. because I built it not knowing Marc was running this group build....

John

the pic to the left is my weekend condo lol

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