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Posted by wing_nut on Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 AM

WOW that will be big.  About 1 1/4 ".  Whats the size of the tube they suggest?

Marc  

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Posted by Nachtflieger on Friday, February 25, 2011 3:42 PM

DoogsATX

Very much still here. The Mosquito is nearing paint, which means the Pup is getting closer and closer to the bench.

I'm DYING to try out this double-loop turnbuckle idea. Though I'm adding one twist, or I might be. That article I posted recommends using some kind of fly-fishing micro tubing, but I just ordered some Albion Alloy 1mm tubing for another project, and want to see how it works. Hoping it's not out of scale...in 1/32 that'd work out to 3.2cm...would that be ridiculously too big a diameter for a turnbuckle?

Also doublechecked and am immensely happy that WnW helpfully placed all the necessary rigging holes!

 

When I built my WnW Pfalz D.III a, I used 0.12mm 2 lb. test fishing line, with .05mm brass tubing from Lion Roar. I also used HO scale eyebolts attached to the wing with cyano.

 

 

 

 

On my next build, I plan on adding eyebolts to both ends of the tube to make a better representation of a turnbuckle. Hope this helps.

Nate

 

 

 

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Posted by DoogsATX on Friday, February 25, 2011 4:04 PM

Yeah, 1.0mm would probably be too big...too bad!

The tubing can be had in 1/100", 1/64" and 1/32" varieties:

http://www.americanflyfishing.com/Fly+Tying/Body+Materials/Hareline+Stalcup's+Micro,+Midge+and+Standard+Tub.html

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by wing_nut on Friday, February 25, 2011 5:59 PM

You beat me...I was gonna come back with that same page for the tubes.  The 1/64 would be 1/2" scaled up.  The 1/100 would be about 5/16"  I have no idea of the actual size of a real turnbuckle but I am thinking that 1/2" is gonna look just right.   I have a gigundo place near me with a crap load of fly fishing stuff.  I'll check if the have it an I'll send you some. 

Marc  

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Posted by wing_nut on Friday, February 25, 2011 6:03 PM

WOOHOO check this out.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/landoni/sets/72157604984202028/detail

I have searched "turnbuckles" many times but this time I added "wwi" in front and this is what i got.  Check out the diagrams.

Marc  

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Posted by dupes on Friday, February 25, 2011 7:31 PM

Wingy - I'd love to get in on this one...but my stash has exactly zero (0) kits that qualify. Maybe after the March shows?

BTW - I've been meaning to return your call (I feel like a heel) - you around this weekend?

Fupes

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Posted by wing_nut on Friday, February 25, 2011 9:23 PM

Hey FUPES.  Good to see you still on this side of the grass.  No worries about not calling back.  But I will say... i was going to accidentallyWhistling drop my camera on one of your tanks at AMPS East this year.Stick out tongue  Sunday is probably the better of the 2 days.

As far as the GB goes love to have you if you can score something at a show. 

Marc  

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Posted by Julez72 on Friday, February 25, 2011 10:37 PM

I like the look of the rigging you guys are planning on doing, there's going to be some awesome looking models on show in here...

 

 

 

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Posted by DoogsATX on Saturday, February 26, 2011 10:36 AM

wing_nut

You beat me...I was gonna come back with that same page for the tubes.  The 1/64 would be 1/2" scaled up.  The 1/100 would be about 5/16"  I have no idea of the actual size of a real turnbuckle but I am thinking that 1/2" is gonna look just right.   I have a gigundo place near me with a crap load of fly fishing stuff.  I'll check if the have it an I'll send you some. 

I've got a Cabela's not too far away...hoping they have something on hand, even though fly-fishing isn't super-popular in Texas. If I strike out there I may well take you up on that!

Also, love that Flickr search you posted! Also found a tutorial for making turnbuckles using stretched plastic tubing:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/landoni/sets/72157604984202028/with/2411524537/

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by DoogsATX on Saturday, February 26, 2011 10:57 AM

Sweet - that American Fly Fishing site has free ground shipping...picked up all three sizes of that tubing (I foresee many uses...turnbuckles, brake hoses, antenna insulators...) for $1.80 each, and a spool of extra-small copper wire. 

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by jgeratic on Saturday, February 26, 2011 6:32 PM

There's also a fellow across the pond in the U.K. that produces turnbuckles in 1/48 and 1/32 scale.

http://www.bobsbuckles.co.uk/index.html

 

regards,

Jack

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Posted by dupes on Sunday, February 27, 2011 5:32 PM

Hey guys - that tubing from the fly fishing place...is it rubber? If so, I'll be getting some headed this way post haste!

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Posted by wing_nut on Monday, February 28, 2011 6:44 AM

Dupes, the description says its vinyl.

Nate, nice work on the Pfalz.  Gonna look into to those eye bolts.  They look nice.

Marc  

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Posted by ruddratt on Tuesday, March 01, 2011 7:49 PM

Marc, if it's cool with you, I'd like to add another build to my entries., WnW's Albatros D.V. I've also been checking out their website and I see another purchase in the near future, just not sure which one. I'm leaning towards the Roland D.VIa.

Also, when it comes to making turnbuckles, I've had the most success using the same brass tubing from Lion Roar that Nate uses. It's amazing stuff, and not as hard to work with as it seems.

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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Posted by JMart on Wednesday, March 02, 2011 7:12 AM

Ok, catching up time!

 Mike/Ruddratt – Really nice detailed work… love the WIP pics.

 TD – Did you just clap and clicked the heels and the kit snap together?:) nice job, specially the highlights. Also the tracks; you made them look sharp! Congrats on the finish! I hear you about the paint issue; both LHSs close to me have closed, and I have nowhere to go and pick up some paints.

 Doogs – Great link and pic, thanks for sharing!

 Nate – Gorgeous work on that bird; and great info!

 I got some heat-shrink tubing from Micromark, but I do not think you can get them that small. I will have to get to Norwalk to the fishing stores and get me some stuff!

 PS – Marc, speaking of March shows, whats happening with MosquitoCon? I have been out of the loop for a bit, drasted Real Life keeps getting in the way!

EDIT - oh, forgot i was in the 21st century and can actually look stuff up in the Internet! Duh! Bang Head

 

 

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Posted by waikong on Wednesday, March 02, 2011 8:17 AM

Speaking of Mosquiticon, I see on the website that 'new rooms' are being used. Presumably that means the show is getting to big for the old rooms?  The vendors area I know were definitely feeling a bit tight the last few years - which is a good thing.  So what's the inside scoop?

BTW, you guys with all the fancy rigging buckles are making me scared to start on my plane.  I feel like i need to try the buckle thing!

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Posted by dupes on Wednesday, March 02, 2011 12:30 PM

Mosquitocon...need to find a way to fit that into my schedule one of these years.

Side question - any of you end up ordering stuff from that fly-tying place mentioned on the last page? I'm looking at that micro-tubing, some of the spooled lead wire, and the "Ultra Wire" and wanted to see if any of you had picked some up and had any feedback.

Anyone?

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Posted by DoogsATX on Wednesday, March 02, 2011 1:53 PM

dupes

Mosquitocon...need to find a way to fit that into my schedule one of these years.

Side question - any of you end up ordering stuff from that fly-tying place mentioned on the last page? I'm looking at that micro-tubing, some of the spooled lead wire, and the "Ultra Wire" and wanted to see if any of you had picked some up and had any feedback.

Anyone?

Yep. Ordered all three sizes of the micro tubing and some ultra wire (it was all pretty friggin' cheap, and with free shipping to boot!). Haven't received them yet, but I'll report back when I do.

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by dupes on Wednesday, March 02, 2011 2:03 PM

Spec-tacular.  Would love to hear about it!

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Posted by wing_nut on Wednesday, March 02, 2011 4:14 PM

WOOHOO a flurry of activity.

I just ordered the Lion Roar tubing.  I am dunking that after I cut the pieces to length... 1'8' scales to a 4" trunbuckle... I am going to taper the ends with a sanding stick.

OMG!!! MosquitoCon!!!!!!!!!!  I forgot to put something n the GM section.

Marc  

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Posted by DoogsATX on Wednesday, March 02, 2011 10:00 PM

Well guess what was waiting for me in the mailbox this evening?

First thoughts, without really having much chance to play with any of it? This stuff is SMALL. Even the standard size (1/32") is tiny. The micro tubing, at .01" (.25mm or thereabouts), is ridiculous. 

Here's a close up of the micro tubing.

Stuff looks promising. Even if it doesn't go into the turnbuckles, this stuff will be useful all over the place for future scratchbuilding efforts, hoses, brake lines, you name it.

I also ended up ordering some Albion .5mm nickel silver tubing from Sprue Brothers today (stumbled across a Dragon Firefly Ic smart kit for $30...less than I've ever seen anywhere...and had to make the shipping worth it!) which could work very well. 

Lastly, the ultra wire. I ordered small and extra small, no idea what the size meant. Here are the wires next to a 32 gauge wire, the smallest I've been able to find readily available. This stuff looks fantastic for wiring engines...

Arrange, left to right, x-small, small, and 32 ga.

 

 

 

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by Ernie_SK on Thursday, March 03, 2011 12:06 AM

Mike-

I'm excited to hear of you tackling the Albatross!  If it's near the quality of your Pfalz build, it will

be fantastic.  Really looking forward to seeing more of your expertise!

Ernie

  Seeing double is a good thing...when it comes to wings.

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Posted by wing_nut on Thursday, March 03, 2011 6:52 AM

Doogs, I have used other brands of the nickel tubing just not that small.  Very hard tubing so take care when cutting. It wreck some "regular" modeling clippers.  Best way i found was scoring it with a file and snapping like glass tubing.

Where did you get the ultra wire?  Is it actual wire?  That's some small stuff.  The 32 gauge wire is .007" or .2 mm.

Mike you can build as many as you want.  Just keep adding them and I'll keep update the list. 

Marc  

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Posted by DoogsATX on Thursday, March 03, 2011 7:34 AM

wing_nut

Doogs, I have used other brands of the nickel tubing just not that small.  Very hard tubing so take care when cutting. It wreck some "regular" modeling clippers.  Best way i found was scoring it with a file and snapping like glass tubing.

Where did you get the ultra wire?  Is it actual wire?  That's some small stuff.  The 32 gauge wire is .007" or .2 mm.

Mike you can build as many as you want.  Just keep adding them and I'll keep update the list. 

What about a razorsaw? 

Failing that, I can always put a cutoff wheel on the dremel. And it really gets real, I can always fire up the air scissors! 

I got the ultra wire from that same fly fishing supply site. It's actual copper wire. Tiny. The extra small is actually rather difficult to handle because it's so small that it's hard to see when you've got a grip on it with pliers!

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by wing_nut on Thursday, March 03, 2011 7:39 AM

On tubing that fine I think it will be tough to cut with razor saw.  The teeth will be big compared to the tube.  Maybe the fine side of a JLC saw. 

Thanks for the wire info.

Marc  

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Posted by dupes on Thursday, March 03, 2011 8:33 AM

DoogsATX

First thoughts, without really having much chance to play with any of it? This stuff is SMALL. Even the standard size (1/32") is tiny. The micro tubing, at .01" (.25mm or thereabouts), is ridiculous. 

http://i780.photobucket.com/albums/yy86/doogsatx/Gear%20and%20Things/dc830700.jpg

Lastly, the ultra wire. I ordered small and extra small, no idea what the size meant. Here are the wires next to a 32 gauge wire, the smallest I've been able to find readily available. This stuff looks fantastic for wiring engines...

Arrange, left to right, x-small, small, and 32 ga.

http://i780.photobucket.com/albums/yy86/doogsatx/Gear%20and%20Things/06c30db4.jpg

So Doogs - what's your impression of this stuff? Quality looks good?

Also wondering if the smallest gauges of micro tubing and ultra wire have any use in the "regular" scales (1/32-1/72) or if I should stick with the larger offerings. Any ideas in that department?

Thanks for the pics!

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Posted by ruddratt on Friday, March 04, 2011 1:19 AM

wing_nut

 

I just ordered the Lion Roar tubing.  I am dunking that after I cut the pieces to length... 1'8' scales to a 4" trunbuckle... I am going to taper the ends with a sanding stick.

 

Marc, that stuff makes great turnbuckles! Yes I roll mine under a sharp #11 blade until it cuts through, then chuck it into a pin vise and round off the edges. If needed (and it usually is), I re-establish the holes with the tip of a new #11 blade.

 

Ernie, good to see ya buddy! Yes

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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Posted by wing_nut on Friday, March 04, 2011 6:33 AM

Thanks Mike, I was wonder the best way to cut this stuff.

I need to start proof reading my posts.  I am dunking  What the heck was that all aboutTongue Tied

Marc  

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Posted by wing_nut on Friday, March 04, 2011 1:40 PM

Mike, in case you have not seen this... some nice engine detail pics here.

http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/Engines/Mercedes/MercDIII/

Marc  

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Posted by Aaronw on Sunday, March 06, 2011 3:08 AM

wing_nut

Mike, in case you have not seen this... some nice engine detail pics here.

http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/Engines/Mercedes/MercDIII/

 

Thaanks, that looks useful for me too. The Junkers has a very visible BMW motor that looks similar.

 

Got some work done.

The Junkers D.I was a late war all metal monoplane fighter. It was one of the fastest fighters built during the war, but production was very slow, and few had been delivered before the war ended. It was the last all metal monoplane fighter to be used by any nation until the US adopted the P-26 in 1933.

The kit is pretty typical for Roden. It has very fine detail, but there is lots of flash to clean up and it needs quite a bit of adjustment for a good fit. Most parts are a little oversized so careful sanding and dry fitting will avoid the need for very much putty.

 

The Sopwith Triplane inspired a rash of German imitators including the famous Fokker Dr.I. It had a fair bit of success, but a short service life since the French and British pilots prefered faster aircraft like the Sopwith Camel, Spad XIII and SE-5. 

This is a fairly old kit, but has held up pretty well. The sturdy struts used by most triplanes really helps balence the fiddlyness of the third wing.

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